Originally posted by Newjak
Correction Wolverine has a healing factor his durability is barely better than human as he still gets hurt quite a lot.I will give you senses though unless you weant to count spider-sense then Peter has Wolverine beat.
sorry but a mutant with a insane healing factor makes him very durable,i dont see your point,
and an adamantium skeleton sure as hell makes him way more durable, cmon that is silly
his muscles heal faster=durability
his tendons,ligaments etc.etc.etc.
Originally posted by starlockCorrection Durability is the ability to resist damage not your ability to heal from it.
sorry but a mutant with a insane healing factor makes him very durable,i dont see your point,
and an adamantium skeleton sure as hell makes him way more durable, cmon that is silly
his muscles heal faster=durability
his tendons,ligaments etc.etc.etc.
Wolverine can still be hurt just like any other human being its just that he heals from it.
He still feels pain his tendons can be broken.
I'm not saying Spiderman is loads more durable then Wolverine except for brunt force trauma that is it.
Originally posted by jinzin
(sigh) and yet when he had not one not two but THREE chances to use them.......HE DIDN'T!
I didn't say he was being smart about it
Originally posted by jinzin
Are you talking about What If: Enemy of the State?Because I'm certainly not... you Do realize that right? 🙄
I'm reffering to What if X-men lost inferno... I didn't know wolverine killed him in that ish too though, I haven't read it yet.. good to know.
Yup. I don't recall the death you mention in that What if? I'll have to look it up. Still doesn't answer my question of what this has to do with anything
Originally posted by jinzin
You "ceded"?
Maybe you need to work on your critical writing skills. pffft.
Ceded - as in to yield, to grant. Look it up
Originally posted by jinzin
No.. I've got once instance where spiderman gets groin kicked and left unconcious on the floor.
I've got another instance where Wolverine outright stabbed spiderman and he ended up.. AGAIN.. unconcious on the floor... (because spiderman was "too slow to react" right?)
Why are you having difficulty understanding
Originally posted by marvelprince
:Again read what I said. When he went for the kill he didn't get it. Has he been in positions where he could kill Spider-Man? Sure, but was it a situation where they were actively trying to beat/kill each other. No
Or are you really just this dense? 🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
The bottom line is you're again refraining from dealing with my rationale here...
"Venom has had the chance to kill spidey he hasn't.. therefore he can't".. that's basically the logic you're spewing out with wolverine here whether you want to admit it or not, it makes no sense.
Again you show your inability to properly read
Originally posted by marvelprince
Seriously, work on your critical reading. I ceded that Venom CAN kill Spider-Man because instances exist where in straight up confrontations he has outfought Spider-Man and then spared him. Not times where he's had to sneak up on Spider-Man, or when Spider-Man wasn't expecting a fight or even if Spider-Man suspected he was someone dressed like Venom for Christmas. Does Wolverine have any instances like this? No. Best you have is a Spider-Man who thinks he's just fighting some guy with claws
And in case you didn't get it that time here goes. Venom has faced Spider-Man and beat him down in a proper confrontation AND THEN walked away. He didn't pretend they training, or have to be confused with someone else to pull off a win. He scored a full win and walked away. By that logic Venom can kill him. Has Wolverine accomplished this? Despite your disertations, no he hasn't.
Originally posted by jinzin
"obviously faster" based on what?The fact that he kept punching right?
Even though wolverine let him right?
Yep. Cept change that part from let him to couldn't do a thing to stop him. Thats better
Originally posted by jinzin
Again you think wolverine was incapible to answer.. It makes no sense.. all wolverine would have to do to make an opening is flail his arms infront of himself, Spidey would back off and that would be that.
He didn't cause he chose not to... Again why would spiderman's speed stop wolverine from flailing his arms about in front of him? It wouldn't...
And AGAIN how does punching someone repeatedly in the face who's letting you do it, prove you're faster than they are?
All that does is back up my claims that Wolverine couldn't throw up a defense. Too fast for him
Originally posted by jinzin
Well I'm sorry that unlike you, I don't think that my speculatated opinions dictate facts.
😂 Thats rich cause thats exactly what you trying to pull here.
Originally posted by jinzin
And I do. The fact that he says "here it comes" in preperation for Peter's blows is an indication.
An indication that he knows its coming. I could say that about a Mack truck but can I dodge it?
Originally posted by jinzin
The fact that he has his gaurd up before the hit even takes place and then suddenly drops his hands to his sides is another.
No, that means you're reading to much into something thats not there. Wolverine braced himself, Spider-Man launched, Wolverine couldn't defend but as soon as Spider-Man paused he made his move.
Originally posted by jinzin
The fact that he's sitting there smiling and not even bothering to flail his arms about infront of him is yet another...
...indication that he wasn't hurt. Again thats not what I'm trying to prove. Pay attention
Originally posted by jinzin
No one's arguing that the hits weren't fast.. they just weren't faster than Wolverine.
Cause thats why Wolverine had to wait for a break in the attacks to do something right? 🤨 Aren't you the same person that said...
Originally posted by jinzin
Well I'm sorry that unlike you, I don't think that my speculatated opinions dictate facts.
Originally posted by jinzin
Again.. this "obviously" being based on what?
I am trying to disprove what you said because what you said was wrong.. it's that simple. And, my wish to do so has nothing to do with "skimming"...
Well when you miss out most of what I say and ask me AGAIN I assume you are aren't reading what I say.
Originally posted by jinzin
What part of this are you NOT understanding? Truly... If you think Wolverine's had the chances to kill Spiderman than why are you arguing that he can't?
Read up.
Originally posted by jinzin
The only way in which Wolverine has "failed" to kill spiderman is when he's not trying to kill him.. 😬
Riiiite.
Originally posted by jinzin
I am, and it's still a nonsensical thesis. He's been in the position to kill spiderman but he can't because he hasn't... in spite of not wanting to?
The graveyard fight was DEFINITELY an incident in which Spiderman was actively trying to beat and kill Wolverine.
Which he could have accomplished (and thats by me following Wolverine's thought)
Originally posted by jinzin
Oooookay.. but I don't think it's gonna make your argument make any more sense if I do.
Yea, I understand if you just run through it and look for the words you don't like it makes it a little harder to interpret 🙄
Originally posted by Newjak
Correction Durability is the ability to resist damage not your ability to heal from it.Wolverine can still be hurt just like any other human being its just that he heals from it.
He still feels pain his tendons can be broken.
I'm not saying Spiderman is loads more durable then Wolverine except for brunt force trauma that is it.
wolverine was born with beyond human durability which was chemeically alter to even great lengths by the weapon x program as stated in the weapon x noval,
Originally posted by Soljer
Slightly off topic, but Capt, you always bring up Wolverine Issue fourty where he dodges deadly beams of light while carrying a girl...Explain? I have issue fourty in front of me right this second. It's Origins and Endings part 5. He talks to winter soldier a lot, and gets the Murasma blade.
But I don't see a single beam of deadly light.
Unless, of course, you mean a different volume or something, in which case, do be more specific.
not the recent issue 40. It a patch run.
Originally posted by capt it upOk Cap I'm gonna be nice on this one 😉
false wolveriens durability is many times greater the a normal humans don't any of you ever listen to what I tell you and suport with evdience?wolverine was born with beyond human durability which was chemeically alter to even great lengths by the weapon x program as stated in the weapon x noval,
Wolverine can be cut by knives bullets and can be punched to kingdom come. He may have a higher damage soak possibly but as for the force he takes Wolverine isn't anywhere close to being greater then a normal human in durability.
I say Spiderman is hardly pasy humans except for the fact his strength allows him to take large amounts of brunt force trauma.
Thats it 😛
Originally posted by Newjak
Ok Cap I'm gonna be nice on this one 😉Wolverine can be cut by knives bullets and can be punched to kingdom come. He may have a higher damage soak possibly but as for the force he takes Wolverine isn't anywhere close to being greater then a normal human in durability.
I say Spiderman is hardly pasy humans except for the fact his strength allows him to take large amounts of brunt force trauma.
Thats it 😛
So your just going to ignore a stated fact? Good to know evidence is worthless with you.
being cut with a knife means nothing so can spiderman.
it a stated fact that his body is many times more durable then a normal humans.
Originally posted by capt it upNo evidence isn't worthless, evidence without common sense is 😉
So your jsut going to ignore a stated fact? Good to know evidence is worthless with you.being cut with a knife emans nothing so can spiderman.
it a stated fact that his body is many times mroe durable then a normal humans.
And did I say Spiderman can't be cut I said the only reason Spiderman has better durability is that his Huge strength advantage over humans means he can take far more brunt force trauma.
And as for Wolverine I'll agree because he is something like a one tonner he has better burability then a human coming from brunt force traume but he is not say more than twice as durable as a pretty strong human being 😉
Originally posted by Newjak
No evidence isn't worthless, evidence without common sense is 😉And did I say Spiderman can't be cut I said the only reason Spiderman has better durability is that his Huge strength advantage over humans means he can take far more brunt force trauma.
And as for Wolverine I'll agree because he is something like a one tonner he has better burability then a human coming from brunt force traume but he is not say more than twice as durable as a pretty strong human being 😉
So becuase you find it unlogical then it most be false?
It a stated fact by a man who wrote the origins fo weapon x and of wolverine. The guy is an exspert on his character
funniest thing is you keep thinking strength equals durability which is false. Logan durability was enchanced not his strength. his strength was enchanced in a different fashion.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yea. I know what happened. You won't shut up about it.Still doesn't prove that Wolverine is faster or more agile, as Beast has always been superior to Wolverine in this category.
really it look like he easily dodge beast and them curf stomped him.
ya you keep believeing that and it may come true.
best has never once shown superior speed to logans.
Originally posted by marvelprince
I didn't say he was being smart about it
Seriously prince, go, take a nap, this debate will be here when you get back. When you can think clearly and the affects of the crack have cleared from your head.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Yup. I don't recall the death you mention in that What if? I'll have to look it up. Still doesn't answer my question of what this has to do with anything
Originally posted by marvelprince
Ceded - as in to yield, to grant. Look it up
Ahh, thought you were attempting to spell something else entirely.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Why are you having difficulty understanding
Originally posted by marvelprince
Or are you really just this dense? 🙄
Originally posted by marvelprince
Again you show your inability to properly read
Originally posted by marvelprince
And in case you didn't get it that time here goes. Venom has faced Spider-Man and beat him down in a proper confrontation AND THEN walked away. He didn't pretend they training,
Okay, apparently someone who puts: "He didn't pretend they training" as part of a complete coherent thought thinks I have comprehension problems.. Does anyone else see what's wrong with this? 😕
Originally posted by marvelprince
or have to be confused with someone else to pull off a win. He scored a full win and walked away. By that logic Venom can kill him. Has Wolverine accomplished this? Despite your disertations, no he hasn't.
pfffft.. Pathetic.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Yep. Cept change that part from let him to couldn't do a thing to stop him. Thats better
That's better according to your illogical refusal to accept countering evidence and common sense.. Wolverine could stop him. He chose not to.
Originally posted by marvelprince
All that does is back up my claims that Wolverine couldn't throw up a defense. Too fast for him
You don't get it do you? Wolverine doesn't even have to try to defend himself.. just flail.. that's the end of Spiderman's offensive...
Again you dodged my question.
Originally posted by marvelprince
😂 Thats rich cause thats exactly what you trying to pull here.
You seem to think Wolverine being punched in the face by a force that doesn't even affect him renders him helpless... and that there's nothing to debate about that... Simple common sense kinda says otherwise.
Originally posted by marvelprince
An indication that he knows its coming. I could say that about a Mack truck but can I dodge it?
Originally posted by marvelprince
No, that means you're reading to much into something thats not there. Wolverine braced himself, Spider-Man launched, Wolverine couldn't defend but as soon as Spider-Man paused he made his move.
So apparently we can add PHASING into the list of fanboy powers that seem to grow out spidey's ass on the daily. Since that's basically what he would have had to have done to nail Wolverine like that.
Originally posted by marvelprince
...indication that he wasn't hurt. Again thats not what I'm trying to prove. Pay attention
No.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Cause thats why Wolverine had to wait for a break in the attacks to do something right? 🤨 Aren't you the same person that said...
Who says he had to? Oh that's right ONLY the people arguing in favor of Spiderman there.. There's no dictation ANYWHERE that he had to, and there's PLENTY of counter evidence to support the idea that he didn't.
Yes I did, but I don't think you understood what I was getting at... well how could you? You keep avoiding my question...
Let me try it again.. Yes the punches were fast... Does that prove they were faster than Wolverine? NO... There.. better?
Originally posted by marvelprince
Well when you miss out most of what I say and ask me AGAIN I assume you are aren't reading what I say.
I'm TRYING to understand your babel, but what you're laying down has more contradictions than Rucca.. it's hard.
Originally posted by marvelprinceUggghhhhh....
Riiiite.
It IS *right* as a matter of fact. Wolverine's never tried to kill spiderman in any of their 616 encounters.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Which he could have accomplished (and thats by me following Wolverine's thought) .
So now Wolverine has a new power too! 😱 He can see into the future!!!! YAY!
I mean, you know, considering that he didn't find out about the whole admantium beta thing until WELL into his own series. Long before this one shot ever occured...
And uhhh NO he couldn't have accomplished dick squat there... Look, Sabretooth's tried.. the EXACT SAME THING... Wovlerine still fought back... Kinda throws that whole bit of wishful thinking out the damned window don't it?
Originally posted by marvelprince
Yea, I understand if you just run through it and look for the words you don't like it makes it a little harder to interpret 🙄
Originally posted by capt it upYes I do I couldn't have put it simplier. Wolverine's power set does not allow him to be much more durable then other people 😉
So becuase you find it unlogical then it most be false?It a stated fact by a man who wrote the origins fo weapon x and of wolverine. The guy is an exspert on his character
funniest thing is you keep thinking strength equals durability which is false. Logan durability was enchanced not his strength. his strength was enchanced in a different fashion.
So other writers will so Cyclops hitting Wolverine and hurting him. Wolverine once got knocked on his backside by a deer. You honestly think every writer is going to write the same perso nthe sameway. Once again Common Sense has got to play a factor Capt.
Correction your muscles strength does equal your durability unless your skin muscles are staed to be a lot tougher like Luke Cage.
Which by the way Wolverine doesn't have super hard skin since a normal human with a knife can cut him. He isn't that durable since his muscle strength doesn't allow him to be.
I don't know how much simplier I can state it to you Capt Wolverine not nearly that durable. 😉
Originally posted by capt it up
pricne stop your wrong period. You clearly lack the knowledge of his character to debate properly on thios matter. You are trying to say logan was trying to kill spiderman are you crazy? Logan does not even try to kill the freaking punisher and the punisher tries to blow him up.
😂
QTF