Originally posted by Kinneary
And I don't approve of the parades, either. I think that if you want to be treated equally, you should act as if you are an equal. Don't have parades or pride months. Just be who you are, because you shouldn't be treated any different.
No one cares if you approve. I don't approve of gay pride parades. I've been saying that on here for years. What you approve of or don't approve of is of no concern to anyone else. There are plenty of gay people out there who do approve. If you don't want to see a gay man on a float that resembles a set from the Wizard of Oz, then keep walking. And what happens when gays try to act like equals? Their efforts are met with outrage and proposed bills to make their "equality" illegal.
Actually, when was the last time you saw a gay pride parade?
Originally posted by Kinneary
Yes. I [b]do the same thing about Black History Month.And St. Patrick's day is an Irish holiday, not a holiday for the Irish. [/B]
So, when women marched in the sufferage movement, or the black panthers marched to get equality or when you and your military buddies get together and march past a platform with a general on it, you think you're not flaunting your difference? Difference is the whole ****ing point.
What's the point in all your military pomp and pagentry? The people of the United States aren't protected by your ability to keep in step with the guy beside you in your military pride parade.
Originally posted by Alliance
Yeah. Please, are you really that ignorant of the situation? If people can't be treated equally be thier government, you really thing society treats the equally?Examine the military, the workplace, the home, homosexuals are disatvanged ro descriminated against across the board. I don't recall strainghts being beaten to death because they were straight.
So that gives them the right to block traffic so they can wear their rainbow colored pajamas and annoy the crap out of everyone?
All it really does it make people hate gays
Originally posted by Grimm22
So that gives them the right to block traffic so they can wear their rainbow colored pajamas and annoy the crap out of everyone?
No, the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States does; it is the right to peaceable assembly, and it is guaranteed to every American.
Originally posted by Kinneary
Yes. I [b]do the same thing about Black History Month.And St. Patrick's day is an Irish holiday, not a holiday for the Irish. [/B]
Thats not what St. Patty's day started as. So please, get over yourself.
Originally posted by Grimm22
So that gives them the right to block traffic so they can wear their rainbow colored pajamas and annoy the crap out of everyone?All it really does it make people hate gays
Well you can't even seem to grasp the situation.
Hypothetical: "I really wish black would just stay indoors, everytime I see them and their blackness, I'm remind that there are black people which just makes me hate them more."
Thats essentially what you are saying.
Originally posted by Alliance
Well you can't even seem to grasp the situation.Hypothetical: "I really wish black would just stay indoors, everytime I see them and their blackness, I'm remind that there are black people which just makes me hate them more."
Thats essentially what you are saying.
However, that is a horrible, horrible mischaracterization of his view.
Originally posted by Grimm22
So that gives them the right to block traffic so they can wear their rainbow colored pajamas and annoy the crap out of everyone?All it really does it make people hate gays
What gives them the right? The same thing that gives anybody the right to march, to gather. If protesters can have a parade, if a bunch of people on Christmas can have a parade, or St. Patrick's day or whatever then gays can have a parade.
Here in Australia at any rate the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras is seen as an event by many - something about it being the largest of its kind in the Southern Hemisphere. It happens at night, and I am told a lot of tourists attend - including apparently a lot of US tourists.
And I guess it is a nice change for people hating because a parade blocks a road as opposed to hating for other stupid reasons.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
So, when women marched in the sufferage movement, or the black panthers marched to get equality
or when you and your military buddies get together and march past a platform with a general on it, you think you're not flaunting your difference? Difference is the whole ****ing point.What's the point in all your military pomp and pagentry? The people of the United States aren't protected by your ability to keep in step with the guy beside you in your military pride parade.
Learn your history.
As far as military pride parades, it is simply not the same. Why? Because you have a choice to be in the military. It's an accomplishment. Blacks, whites, yellows, christians, muslims, and jews all celebrate something they've done for the common good. Being gay or black or white is not an accomplishment. It just is.
And, if you're wondering, no, I would not participate in a military pride parade. I think the idea is pretty stupid.
No one cares if you approve. I don't approve of gay pride parades. I've been saying that on here for years. What you approve of or don't approve of is of no concern to anyone else. There are plenty of gay people out there who do approve. If you don't want to see a gay man on a float that resembles a set from the Wizard of Oz, then keep walking. And what happens when gays try to act like equals? Their efforts are met with outrage and proposed bills to make their "equality" illegal.
Thats not what St. Patty's day started as. So please, get over yourself.
Originally posted by Grimm22
So that gives them the right to block traffic so they can wear their rainbow colored pajamas and annoy the crap out of everyone?All it really does it make people hate gays
Traffic. Is that the best you can come up with. No, blocking of traffic does not make people hate gays. Some kind of superiority complex, and the idea that one should be concerned with whom the other has sex with, does.
I live in Brighton, UK. Its a gay capital of Europe. The ratio here of gay and straight is 50-50.
Being gay here is NOT an issue. And maybe because I lived here too long and arguments and discussions like this annoy me -
Noone cares where gay people live and in what neighbourhood. Brighton is full of gay people yet if you want to buy a house here, you better have at least half a million your pocket.
Brighton is at places more expencive than London. It is expencive, classy, clean and the crime is very low.
If you wanna leave with 50% of gay people - thats what you will get, and any consideration of ''lack of morals'' where gay live is nulled by a living example!
Gay parade, thus, is a celebration of gayness and gay people and noone is ANNOYED by traffic blocking, because gay parade usually happen during weekends, in summer, and it usually happens on a big hill with lots of booze, food, music and fun.
I don't know. Maybe gay parade where you live happens at 3pm monday afternoon in the middle of highway.
Originally posted by Kinneary
Marching for equality is one thing, marching as part of a pride parade is something different.
Have you ever been to a pride parade?
Originally posted by Kinneary
Marching in the military originated hundreds of years agoLearn your history.
It's not a matter of it's history. These days it's just not necessary. It doesn't do anything towards serving the purpose of the military. It's just a pointless military tradition.
Originally posted by Kinneary
As far as military pride parades, it is simply not the same.
How would it not be the same? An anything pride parade is the same.
Originally posted by Kinneary
And, if you're wondering, no, I would not participate in a military pride parade. I think the idea is pretty stupid.
Of course you do. Because there's no reason for someone not to be proud of their involvment in the military. Being in the military is just about the most patriotic thing one can do for their country. Being gay is the antithesis of good american patriotism. But I'm willing to bet you wouldn't insist on going to work on a military holiday, would you?
Originally posted by Kinneary
I think that gays have a way to go before they are treated equally.
There's a shocker. Maybe that's because people like you don't treat gays with equality.
Originally posted by Kinneary
But I don't think that showing they're not the same is the way to go about it. I don't expect european pride parades, straight parades, or any other kind of parade in which you flaunt something that you have no control over. That's like me participating in a blonde hair parade. It's pointless.
As soon as it becomes illegal for people to be European, blonde or straight I'll agree.
Originally posted by Kinneary
It didn't start as an Irish holiday...? It didn't start as a religious holiday...? Because I can honestly tell you for sure what it didn't start as, and that's an Irish pride holiday.
It doesn't matter what it started out as, it matters what it is now. And right now it's an Irish pride parade.
Have you ever been to a pride parade?
It's not a matter of it's history. These days it's just not necessary. It doesn't do anything towards serving the purpose of the military. It's just a pointless military tradition.
How would it not be the same? An anything pride parade is the same.
Of course you do. Because there's no reason for someone not to be proud of their involvment in the military. Being in the military is just about the most patriotic thing one can do for their country. Being gay is the antithesis of good american patriotism. But I'm willing to bet you wouldn't insist on going to work on a military holiday, would you?
I'm sorry, what was the point you were trying to make?
There's a shocker. Maybe that's because people like you don't treat gays with equality.
As soon as it becomes illegal for people to be European, blonde or straight I'll agree.
It doesn't matter what it started out as, it matters what it is now. And right now it's an Irish pride parade.
Originally posted by Kinneary
I've been to one in 2005. It was a gay pride march, followed by a picnic and sports activities. The BBQ was fine and a great way for them to get together. And hell, they're just fun. Disrupting traffic with banners and begging people to look at them I had a problem with.
Well, then you've been to one more pride parade than I have.
Originally posted by Kinneary
Tradition in the military is pointless? Perhaps tradition at Wal-Mart is pointless, but when you're separated from your wife, children, and you're putting your life on the line, a lot of people find comfort in it. There's no real 'purpose' in giving a twenty-one gun salute at a military member's funeral either. But it's our tradition, a way of showing respect for those that have died. Tradition is a big part of military life, and most military members will tell you that.
Well, most pride parades take place at the same time every year. They are a tradition. And beyond that, you aren't going to get anything out of a pride parade since you aren't gay. And I don't get anything out of a 21 gun salute. So, if one is pointless in your opinion and one is pointless in my opinion, then we should get rid of both?
Originally posted by Kinneary
Then that in itself shows the fallacy of your logic. Having pride in the fact you're willing to sacrifice your life for the greater good and having pride in the fact that your hair is blonde are not, in any way, the same thing. And if you think that they are, then you are severly mistaken.
So, the things in which you take pride are more valid than something I take pride in? (and don't get your government issued underware in a wad, I'm only playing the devil's advocate)
Originally posted by Kinneary
If you really want to know, I went to work on Christmas Eve, New Years Day, and Martin Luthor King day this year. And those were 24 hour work days.I'm sorry, what was the point you were trying to make?
My point is that you wouldn't refuse a day off, despite thinking the reason you have it off is pointless.
Originally posted by Kinneary
How does thinking no one should have a pride parade equate to me not treating them equally? I'm rather confused about that.
Because despite not participating in pride parades, I don't think they should be done away with because I pretend my issues with them are holding up traffic. So, what is your real issue? It's not parades, it's not getting drunk, it's not 21 gun salutes...so it must be the involvment of gays in this particular example.
Originally posted by Kinneary
Being gay is illegal?
It was for a long time. And maybe they've acheived a few steps towards equality because of those traffic disrupting pride parades. But, more than likely you know what I'm saying. When blonde people aren't allowed to get married, then your example will be a valid one.
Originally posted by Kinneary
Hardly. It's an excuse for people to get drunk. The Irish are only the mascots.
From what I understand, that's pretty much what a gay pride parade is all about.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Well, then you've been to one more pride parade than I have.
Well, most pride parades take place at the same time every year. They are a tradition. And beyond that, you aren't going to get anything out of a pride parade since you aren't gay. And I don't get anything out of a 21 gun salute. So, if one is pointless in your opinion and one is pointless in my opinion, then we should get rid of both?
So, the things in which you take pride are more valid than something I take pride in? (and don't get your government issued underware in a wad, I'm only playing the devil's advocate)
(By the way, my underwear is Old Navy)
My point is that you wouldn't refuse a day off, despite thinking the reason you have it off is pointless.
Because despite not participating in pride parades, I don't think they should be done away with because I pretend my issues with them are holding up traffic. So, what is your real issue? It's not parades, it's not getting drunk, it's not 21 gun salutes...so it must be the involvment of gays in this particular example.
It was for a long time. And maybe they've acheived a few steps towards equality because of those traffic disrupting pride parades. But, more than likely you know what I'm saying. When blonde people aren't allowed to get married, then your example will be a valid one.
I think a lot of problems experienced by the gays could be resolved if the loudest majority were... not so loud.
From what I understand, that's pretty much what a gay pride parade is all about.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Traffic. Is that the best you can come up with.I don't know. Maybe gay parade where you live happens at 3pm monday afternoon in the middle of highway.
Good one, Milla.
My view is that everyone can have their parades, their demonstrations, whatever. It's when people start busting out the pots and pans and wooden spoons that I get pissed!!