Identify crisis: as gays move in, some fear loss of the area's character

Affirmative Action is voluntary.

When have you been discrimminated against due to Affirmative Action?

You can judge that situation in itself on your own. Not affirmitive action, but politically correct discrimination. Never have I experienced it personally, as I don't work in the civilian sector where it is executed. But, at the same time, does a black man have no right to feel offended when racists lynch other blacks? Does a white man have no right to feel offended when racists discriminate against other whites?

How is this comparable to or as pervasive as the discrimmination gays and lesbians face in adoption, housing, marriage, and the workplace?

Read what a person has to say before you just walk into the topic.

Metrosexuals aren't overly feminine males. Unless one considers being well dressed and groomed overly feminine. Which smelly, badly dressed, ugly people probably do - but really who cares what they think, besides other smell, badly dressed, ugly people.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Thats what i'm saying 😐

I hate metrosexuals, gay and straight

I mean even if you're gay act like a man, not like a pansy

I think you should act like a man and not like an ass. People can act as they choose. They are not infringing on anyone elses rights.

Originally posted by Kinneary
You can judge that situation in itself on your own. Not affirmitive action, but politically correct discrimination. Never have I experienced it personally, as I don't work in the civilian sector where it is executed. But, at the same time, does a black man have no right to feel offended when racists lynch other blacks? Does a white man have no right to feel offended when racists discriminate against other whites?

Is ti descrimination if whites just suck? You can't prove discrimination. You're just anothe angsty white kid shouting "reverse descrimination" when a minority beats him at something.

Originally posted by Bardiel13
From what I've seen, queens are probably the reason why there is so much homophobia in my country. I don't mind the whole "he likes teh c0ck" part, but if they made up 100% of the gay male population... I could honestly see myself as homophobic. Seriously, that personality annoys me more than anything else.

F*ck yeah 👆

Queens suck 👇

The only girly homo I am attracted to is Marco (Adamo Ruggiero) from Degrassi...he's a HOTTIE !!!! droolio

Originally posted by Kinneary
Here in the hospital, there are never more than two consecutive white winners for BJOQ, SOQ, or SSOQ (our versions of 'employee of the month'😉. And from all fo the clinics that go to the hospital to compete, we usually have one white, one black, and one filipino winner in each catagory. That is, in itself, extremely unlikely as the navy is around 68% white.

You can judge that situation in itself on your own. Not affirmitive action, but politically correct discrimination. Never have I experienced it personally, as I don't work in the civilian sector where it is executed. But, at the same time, does a black man have no right to feel offended when racists lynch other blacks? Does a white man have no right to feel offended when racists discriminate against other whites?

If the problem is as pervasive as you pretend it to be, then you might be justified in taking offense. As it is, you are using your persecution complex as a justification for your prejudicial attitudes toward everyone that is not you.

Originally posted by Kinneary
It's not. But then, that was never the point of what I said. If you read through my posts, I've already stated what I think would help the gay community.

Read what a person has to say before you just walk into the topic.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I'm sure you'd reconsider your opinion if you were denied rights for something you couldn't control.

Originally posted by Kinneary
Like, say, being discriminated against by affirmitive action because I'm a straight, white male? Not saying it's the exact same thing, but it exists nonetheless.

🙄

So.. Unless I'm black or gay, I obviously have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to pride parades?

No, but perhaps you should be a bit more open minded and assume that minorites see things from a different perspective.

I don't really care about their perspective. At least, not in regards to this topic. When they act like social deviants, they're going to be treated as social deviants.

And in general, I hate pride parades. They're stupid. So what's to understand?

Define "social deviant."

Why exactly do 'gay pride parades' bother you? Is it the whole gay people being gay in the street in public thing? 'Cause I agree completely they should be kept behind closed doors. Closed bars even.

The 'pride' thing? So you'd be okay with it if they dropped the 'pride' tag and just called it a gay parade?

Do you hate Carnaval?

If it were a parade of hot lipstick lesbians lesbanimizing it up in the street would you hate it?

Originally posted by That Guy Who Doesn't Read Before He Posts
Why exactly do 'gay pride parades' bother you? Is it the whole gay people being gay in the street in public thing? 'Cause I agree completely they should be kept behind closed doors. Closed bars even.

The 'pride' thing? So you'd be okay with it if they dropped the 'pride' tag and just called it a gay parade?

Do you hate Carnaval?

If it were a parade of hot lipstick lesbians lesbanimizing it up in the street would you hate it?

Originally posted by Kinneary in the very first post he made in this topic
And I don't approve of the parades, either. I think that if you want to be treated equally, you should act as if you are an equal. Don't have parades or pride months. Just be who you are, because you shouldn't be treated any different.

Define "social deviant."

They were relatively simple questions that weren't particularly answered by your first post, which was predominantly waffley hodge podge, nor in this latest, which basically just repeated said waffley hodge podge. You should write bumper stickers.

Be who you are, because you shouldn't be treated any different?
Act as if you are equal if you want to be treated equally?

That's all very nice, Dr Phil, but it's basically what someone who's never been treated as a minority would say.

You're essentially saying that just existing is sufficient for equality, which is naivety bordering on stupidity. "Do nothing, things will change."

What does the second one even mean? If gay and lesbian committed couples want to have equal standing under the law as married people; they should act as if they have equal standing under the law as married people? If women want to have equal wages and opportunities for advancement as men in the same profession, they should act as if they have equal wages and opportunities for advancement?

The fact of the matter is that people are treated differently due to race, sex, sexuality and so on. Mexican-Americans could not serve on juries at a time, sodomy between homosexuals was only decriminalized as violating the US Constitution in a 2003 Supreme Court Decision, the glass ceiling is thinner but still exists for women in the workforce, your lovely UCMJ still defines "sodomy" as an offense worse than assaulting a minor, and grounds for dishonorable discharge and confinement.

I personally don't care for History months or parades, but that doesn't mean I can't empathize with the intention of increasing awareness or vocalizing discontent. I wouldn't accept any reward for being a racial minority, but at the same time realize there are inequalities with regard to education and employment.

And at the end of the day, it's just a parade, one day a year I presume, not Goverment funded, not held during peak traffic hours, not mandatory to attend.

Originally posted by Kinneary
One who acts outside of society's accepted norm (not in the fact that they're gay, in the fact that the parades can sometimes be too sexually suggestive).

Reiterating as an addendum, feel free to actually answer them with something a little more substantive than "I find them stupid. Everyone should pretend that society is egalitarian with regard to social, legal, political and economic situations. You're equal you just don't know it yet."

Why exactly do 'gay pride parades' bother you? Is it the whole gay people being gay in the street in public thing?

The 'pride' thing? So you'd be okay with it if they dropped the 'pride' tag and just called it a gay parade?

Do you hate Carnaval?

If it were a parade of hot lipstick lesbians lesbanimizing it up in the street would you hate it?

Do you find parades in general stupid? Or only parades held by minorities?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
They were relatively simple questions that weren't particularly answered by your first post, which was predominantly waffley hodge podge, nor in this latest, which basically just repeated said waffley hodge podge. You should write bumper stickers.

Be who you are, because you shouldn't be treated any different?
Act as if you are equal if you want to be treated equally?

That's all very nice, Dr Phil, but it's basically what someone who's never been treated as a minority would say.

You're essentially saying that just existing is sufficient for equality, which is naivety bordering on stupidity. "Do nothing, things will change."

Then lobbying congress, raising gay awareness (and marching down the street while people walk around in lewd outfits does not count as raising awareness, it just alienates people), and showing their neighbors they're the same as them is the way to do it. Saying "Hey, we're no different. We just sleep with the same sex." is the way to do it. Trying to shock the culture and parading around shouting metaphorically shouting "We're different! We deserve special treatment!" isn't going to get you anywhere.

The fact of the matter is that people are treated differently due to race, sex, sexuality and so on. Mexican-Americans could not serve on juries at a time,

Then lobbying congress, raising gay awareness (and marching down the street while people walk around in lewd outfits does not count as raising awareness, it just alienates people), and showing their neighbors they're the same as them is the way to do it. Saying "Hey, we're no different. We just sleep with the same sex." is the way to do it. Trying to shock the culture and parading around shouting metaphorically shouting "We're different! We deserve special treatment!" isn't going to get you anywhere.

sodomy between homosexuals was only decriminalized as violating the US Constitution in a 2003 Supreme Court Decision, the glass ceiling is thinner but still exists for women in the workforce, your lovely UCMJ still defines "sodomy" as an offense worse than assaulting a minor, and grounds for dishonorable discharge and confinement.

And no, it's not worse than assaulting a minor. Assaulting a minor is going to end up with you in prison. Sodomy (while it says sodomy, it only refers to the homosexual act, in practice) is illegal, and I do not agree with that.

I personally don't care for History months or parades, but that doesn't mean I can't empathize with the intention of increasing awareness or vocalizing discontent. I wouldn't accept any reward for being a racial minority, but at the same time realize there are inequalities with regard to education and employment.

And at the end of the day, it's just a parade, one day a year I presume, not Goverment funded, not held during peak traffic hours, not mandatory to attend.

So you find Carnival socially deviant? Do you find music videos to be socially deviant?

Reiterating as an addendum, feel free to actually answer them with something a little more substantive than "I find them stupid. Everyone should pretend that society is egalitarian with regard to social, legal, political and economic situations. You're equal you just don't know it yet."

Why exactly do 'gay pride parades' bother you? Is it the whole gay people being gay in the street in public thing?

The 'pride' thing? So you'd be okay with it if they dropped the 'pride' tag and just called it a gay parade?

Marching for equality is one thing, marching as part of a pride parade is something different. Early gay marches focused on equality and gay rights, now most parades resemble Mardi Gras rather than a march for equality, such as those taken part in by blacks and women. Granted there are still sometimes politics and educational value attached the to parades, that message is all but drowned out at the event.

As I've said before, I don't think anyone should be celebrated for something that they cannot control. It's a stupid reason to celebrate. Accomplishments should be celebrated. Not genetics (arguing, of course, that homosexuality is genetic).

If it were a parade of hot lipstick lesbians lesbanimizing it up in the street would you hate it?

My approval or disapproval of gays and lesbians has absolutely nothing to do with this. I don't know why you're trying to make me out to be some huge homophobe.

Do you find parades in general stupid? Or only parades held by minorities?

And, if you're wondering, no, I would not participate in a military pride parade. I think the idea is pretty stupid.

Seriously, did you come into this topic and start posting just because you wanted to sound righteous and be the voice of the 'little guy'? Because it's not working. Also, if you could do me a huge favor, I need you to read this topic before you post again. It would save me a lot of copy and pasting. Okay? Thanks.

Could you please attribute the names of people in your quotes?

Sorry about that. I can't edit it now since the coveted 15 has passed, but the only two people quoted are me and X.

Thanks. I like to know when you're quoting me, but I also like to know who's saying what 🙂

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Because despite not participating in pride parades, I don't think they should be done away with because I pretend my issues with them are holding up traffic. So, what is your real issue? It's not parades, it's not getting drunk, it's not 21 gun salutes...so it must be the involvment of gays in this particular example.

Originally posted by Kinneary
I don't really care about their perspective. At least, not in regards to this topic. When they act like social deviants, they're going to be treated as social deviants.

And in general, I hate pride parades. They're stupid. So what's to understand?

So, with one post, you illustrate exactly what I've been saying to you since the beginning of the argument. You just don't like gays. They're an affront to your masculine self-image. Your opinion of homosexuals are fed by these public displays of non-traditional masculinity and unconventional lifestyle. And in that respect, I can agree with you. I don't wear make-up; I don't dress in drag, but I'm gay. There's nothing I can do about the evolution of the gay sub-culture. And while it pains me to realize that the first assumption that one makes about me when they find out I'm gay is that I listen to Aretha Franklin or played with dolls when I was a kid, there's not much point in wasting my time making excuses about it. I have a number of friends who listen mainly to female vocalists, or divas if you like, or who wouldn't think twice about going out in a floor length sequin dress. The only difference is that I've had the time and fortitude to get to know them. I don't define them by their dress or the music to which they listen. You do.

So you're fine with gays and their devient behavior, as long as they keep to themselves and hide in cramped clubs in alleys or keep their picnics on the same level of display as you'd expect to find at a church luncheon.

And to address your last point, can you provide an example of any other kind of parade in which the term "pride" is always part of the title? Any other group with which that term is always applied?

Originally posted by Kinneary
One who acts outside of society's accepted norm (not in the fact that they're gay, in the fact that the parades can sometimes be too sexually suggestive).

That's not an answer. That's a one sided perspective.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
And to address your last point, can you provide an example of any other kind of parade in which the term "pride" is always part of the title? Any other group with which that term is always applied?

I believe there's a movie coming out soon called "Pride."

It's about Bernie Mac swimming, and it don't get any gayer than that!!!!

Originally posted by botankus
I believe there's a movie coming out soon called "Pride."

It's about Bernie Mac swimming, and it don't get any gayer than that!!!!

I believe it's called "Pride" because it's two hours of young men in speedos. Now, when the movie posters causes traffic to back up or streets to be blocked off, we'll have a reason to beat Bernie Mac to a pulp and leave him tied to a fence some where.