Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States does; it is the right to peaceable assembly, and it is guaranteed to every American.
Oh come one you know thats not what I mean 🙄
I'm not talking about them not having the right to do that, im saying what makes them think that they are so special that they deserve a parade?
Originally posted by Alliance
Thats not what St. Patty's day started as. So please, get over yourself.Well you can't even seem to grasp the situation.
Hypothetical: "I really wish black would just stay indoors, everytime I see them and their blackness, I'm remind that there are black people which just makes me hate them more."
Thats essentially what you are saying.
No, because you can be gay and not be metrosexual
I don't hate gay people, I just hate metrosexuals 😉
Originally posted by Grimm22
No, because you can be gay and not be metrosexualI don't hate gay people, I just hate metrosexuals 😉
Main Entry:
met·ro·sex·u·al Listen to the pronunciation of metrosexual
Pronunciation:
\ˌme-trə-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
2metropolitan + -sexual (as in 2heterosexual)
As for the current discussion I agree with Kinneary and Grim though, speaking for myself, I don't see my homosexuality as something I should be proud of.
Originally posted by Kinneary
What was the point in asking me, again?
Because you have such a solid distaste for them, I'd have to assume you've been to one.
Originally posted by Kinneary
Our traditions involve military members and do not impact those outside of the military. Like I said, if gays want to have their picnics or whatever, feel free.
But see, that's just it. You don't get to say they can exist or they can't. No one is asking you for persmission, nor do they need to. If you don't like it, then don't go to them. As for the military, I see vets marching in parades all the time. They do this out of pride. I don't see why, but I don't see the pointin gay pride parades, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that because I don't like something it isn't okay for others to do it.
Originally posted by Kinneary
If that's what you take pride in, yes.(By the way, my underwear is Old Navy)
But that's not what I take pride in. But it's not up to you to decide what is valid and what is not. It isn't up to any of us to decide what's best for anyone else. I'd point out that you likely have no issues with half naked women dancing the streets of New Orleans during Mardis Gras, but you'll say they shouldn't do that either because you want to pretend that your issue here isn't with men dressed as women, but half naked men dressed as women.
Originally posted by Kinneary
I refuse no days off. What's your point again?
My point is that you think that black history month or military based holidays are pointless but you have no problem observing them.
Originally posted by Kinneary
As I've said before, I don't think anyone should be celebrated for something that they cannot control. It's a stupid reason to celebrate. Accomplishments should be celebrated. Not genetics (arguing, of course, that homosexuality is genetic).
I'm sure you'd reconsider your opinion if you were denied rights for something you couldn't control.
Originally posted by Kinneary
Then lobbying congress, raising gay awareness (and marching down the street while people walk around in lewd outfits does not count as raising awareness, it just alienates people), and showing their neighbors they're the same as them is the way to do it. Saying "Hey, we're no different. We just sleep with the same sex." is the way to do it. Trying to shock the culture and parading around shouting metaphorically shouting "We're different! We deserve special treatment!" isn't going to get you anywhere.
Why wouldn't it? Look at how much sitting around and saying nothing while straight people have made all the rules, denied rights, beaten people to death, turned their backs on their children and friends has accomplished. We've gained so much by sitting quietly that people like you seem to think you have the right to tell everyone what they can and can't do. I don't appreciate the re-enforcment of the gay stereotype that we all prance around dressed like women, but I'd never tell those homosexuals that they aren't allowed to do that if they want.
Originally posted by Kinneary
I think a lot of problems experienced by the gays could be resolved if the loudest majority were... not so loud.
What would you rather we did? Asking for equal treatment hasn't done any good. Not asking for rights hasn't done any good. Screaming about it isn't going to do any good. And that's what it's really all about. We shouldn't have to ask for equal rights. Rights are rights, no matter where you stick your dick. If you think that your straight friends are going to suddenly have no issues with gays just because they stopped "acting gay", you can wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up first.
Originally posted by Kinneary
Then, once again, you need to reevaluate exactly what's going on.
Why? Irish parades are totally acceptable because they're really just an excuse to drink, but the same thing happens at gay pride parades and it's not okay? Why? Because some of the people drinking are men dressed as women who've had the audacity to leave their house dressed that way?
Originally posted by Eis
As for the current discussion I agree with Kinneary and Grim though, speaking for myself, I don't see my homosexuality as something I should be proud of.
Do you think it's something you should be denied rights over? Because the point everyone seems to be making is that parades are fine as long as it isn't gay people who are having them. But as soon as gay people have a parade, it's flaunting and forcing people to look at them?
But see, that's just it. You don't get to say they can exist or they can't. No one is asking you for persmission, nor do they need to. If you don't like it, then don't go to them.
As for the military, I see vets marching in parades all the time. They do this out of pride. I don't see why, but I don't see the pointin gay pride parades, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that because I don't like something it isn't okay for others to do it.
But that's not what I take pride in. But it's not up to you to decide what is valid and what is not. It isn't up to any of us to decide what's best for anyone else.
I'd point out that you likely have no issues with half naked women dancing the streets of New Orleans during Mardis Gras, but you'll say they shouldn't do that either because you want to pretend that your issue here isn't with men dressed as women, but half naked men dressed as women.
My point is that you think that black history month or military based holidays are pointless but you have no problem observing them.
I'm sure you'd reconsider your opinion if you were denied rights for something you couldn't control.
Why wouldn't it? Look at how much sitting around and saying nothing while straight people have made all the rules, denied rights, beaten people to death, turned their backs on their children and friends has accomplished. We've gained so much by sitting quietly that people like you seem to think you have the right to tell everyone what they can and can't do. I don't appreciate the re-enforcment of the gay stereotype that we all prance around dressed like women, but I'd never tell those homosexuals that they aren't allowed to do that if they want.
Regardless, I think that we have gotten to the point in this society where just about anyone can be accepted for who they are. Obviously it's not going to be overnight. But, as I said before, trying to induce culture shock is not going to work. If you do it like blacks did under Martin Luthor King, boycotts, real marches, sit-ins, then THAT is something I can totally support and completely agree with and support. Hell, I might even participate. Having drunken parades is not the way to do it.
What would you rather we did? Asking for equal treatment hasn't done any good. Not asking for rights hasn't done any good. Screaming about it isn't going to do any good. And that's what it's really all about. We shouldn't have to ask for equal rights. Rights are rights, no matter where you stick your dick. If you think that your straight friends are going to suddenly have no issues with gays just because they stopped "acting gay", you can wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up first.
Why? Irish parades are totally acceptable because they're really just an excuse to drink, but the same thing happens at gay pride parades and it's not okay? Why? Because some of the people drinking are men dressed as women who've had the audacity to leave their house dressed that way?
Originally posted by Kinneary
Like, say, being discriminated against by affirmitive action because I'm a straight, white male? Not saying it's the exact same thing, but it exists nonetheless.
You being overlooked in favor of an equally qualified ethnic minority is almost comparable to it being legal to be denied housing or fired from your job in all 50 states, or to be outlawed from marriage or obtaining the legal incidents thereof in 45 states.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Do you think it's something you should be denied rights over? Because the point everyone seems to be making is that parades are fine as long as it isn't gay people who are having them. But as soon as gay people have a parade, it's flaunting and forcing people to look at them?
I would much rather all those gay people out there to be celebrating the accomplishments of Karl Heinrich Ulrichs, Magnus Hirschfeld, etc. But even so, gay pride parades are not something I would vigorously dispute.
Originally posted by Kinneary
Affirmitive Action does not not mean an equally qualified minority gets the job. It means a minority gets the job if they have the minimum requirements, despite a white male having better qualifications only so a company or state institution can meet quotas.
[list=1][*]Affirmative Action is voluntary.
[*]When have you been discrimminated against due to Affirmative Action?
[*]How is this comparable to or as pervasive as the discrimmination gays and lesbians face in adoption, housing, marriage, and the workplace?[/list]
Originally posted by Eis
Obviously not and I doubt that's the point, at least Kinneary, is making. The idea behind a gay pride parade is, in my opinion, stupid. To celebrate the pride certain people have over something which they were born with seems fruitless and idiotic, to me, of course.I would much rather all those gay people out there to be celebrating the accomplishments of Karl Heinrich Ulrichs, Magnus Hirschfeld, etc. But even so, gay pride parades are not something I would vigorously dispute.
Gay pride parades commemorate the 1969 Stonewall riots that commenced the gay rights movement in the United States, and promote visibility of GLBT Americans by showing just how many of us there are.
Gay pride parades commemorate the 1969 Stonewall riots that commenced the gay rights movement in the United States, and promote visibility of GLBT Americans by showing just how many of us there are.
Originally posted by Eis
I do know that the parades in the US are organized at a date that coincides with the Stonewall Riots but from what I've read it mainly shifts its focus to the promote visibility part. And well I don't think the best way to promote visibility for us it by taking the streets, play loud music and dance around in jockstraps
True parades are boring. Gays should just stick to porn ! AND STREET ORGIES droolio
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Originally posted by Alliance
Yeah. You just said I don't hate the people, I just hate the culture they started.Oh wait...that doesn't fly.
You can be metro and be straight. Cultural intolerance is why the seperate word was made up in the first place
Thats what i'm saying 😐
I hate metrosexuals, gay and straight
I mean even if you're gay act like a man, not like a pansy
Originally posted by Eis
I'd expect not all gay men to be metrosexual considering you know, that by definition they can't be.As for the current discussion I agree with Kinneary and Grim though, speaking for myself, I don't see my homosexuality as something I should be proud of.
I never said all gays were metrosexuals 😐
Finally somebody gets it, I mean its not like you strived you're entire life to be gay, its not some huge accomplishment, so why the hell are there parades.
Originally posted by Grimm22
|I hate metrosexuals, gay and straight
Why ? Hate is a strong emotion to harbor...
Originally posted by Grimm22
I mean even if you're gay act like a man, not like a pansy
I am not attracted to feminine men. They turn me off. I'd just date a girl if that's what I wanted.
However, you are using the wrong term. A Metrosexual is a man (gay or straight) who is overtly concerned about his looks. He grooms himself every day, wears the most expensive clothes, probably bleaches his teeth and hair, and sun tans vigorously.
Metrosexuals do not "act like women" in thier personalities, only in the sense that they try to look thier best in all situations.
What you are talking about are "queens"- a slang term which refers to gay men (or straight men) who act like little girls. With this ass eyebrows, pink nails, belly showing, raging screaming annoying accents (the fkn lisp)
I personally find that style unattractive...but i certainly do not hate them for it.
Originally posted by Lord UrizenWhat you are talking about are "queens"- a slang term which refers to gay men (or straight men) who act like little girls. With this ass eyebrows, pink nails, belly showing, raging screaming annoying accents (the fkn lisp)
I personally find that style unattractive...but i certainly do not hate them for it.
From what I've seen, queens are probably the reason why there is so much homophobia in my country. I don't mind the whole "he likes teh c0ck" part, but if they made up 100% of the gay male population... I could honestly see myself as homophobic. Seriously, that personality annoys me more than anything else.