Originally posted by Capt_FantasticSo you're fine with gays and their devient behavior, as long as they keep to themselves and hide in cramped clubs in alleys or keep their picnics on the same level of display as you'd expect to find at a church luncheon.
Not sure exactly why, but that statement is F'ing hilarious.
Originally posted by KinnearyI have read the topic over the course of several days. It evolved from talking about a predominantly gay neighborhood to discussing the merits of gay pride parades, at which point I'm trying to figure out why there need be merits to any parade. My humblest and most utterly sincere apologies for not following your posts over the course of several days religiously.
Then obviously you haven't read my posts. Yet again. Do me a favor and [b]read the topic.[/B]
Your viewpoint seems to keep shifting as to why the gay pride parade's are irksome, from it was fun but they disrupt traffic, to "socially deviant" behavior shouldn't be public, to I find all parades stupid but only dislike those which don't "celebrate achievements".
Perhaps just perhaps they're celebrating the achievement of being able to live their lifestyle without fear of being arrested for it? Just a thought.
Originally posted by KinnearyAgain you assume that the person of minority could not actually simply be equally qualified. Pshaw, that would be unheard of.
And do you think the already grudged whites are going to get any less pissed off (and, by effect, possibly pass it on to their children) when they find out the government is giving jobs to minorities simply because they're a minority?
Originally posted by KinnearyIt's relevant in that really a parade that basically affects you in no way whatsoever still bothers you and I'm curious as to why.
All of those facts are absolutely irrelevant.
Originally posted by KinnearyBecause they fall within your personal perceived realms of "normal" they are therefore not "socially deviant?" "I'm normal and they're not like me."
Mardi Gras I think is vulgar, though not socially deviant (as most of society has accepted it). No, I do not find music videos to be deviant, either
Originally posted by KinnearyThat was an ambiguous answer. The question is simple: is it the 'pride' part of 'gay pride parade.' As stated below, although apparently all parades are stupid, but you're not anti-parade as a rule.
Once again, we're going to take a trip down memory lane. I really do suggest you read this topic.
In which case if they dropped the "pride" tag and just held it as a Mardi Gras/Carnival event would you still vehemently dislike it? If so why?
Originally posted by KinnearyI consider you a typical young straight white male, in a predominantly straight-male-dominated-white-majority society. Interpret that as you will.
I'd think "Wow, that's pretty hot." And then when the police grabbed them and took them off to jail, I'd think that they rightly deserve what they got.My approval or disapproval of gays and lesbians has absolutely nothing to do with this. I don't know why you're trying to make me out to be some huge homophobe.
Originally posted by KinnearyOnly anti-pride parade if it's going to be a Mardi Gras; in which case would it be acceptable if they simply called it the Gay Parade and had a Mardi Gras style event?
Yes, I find parades in general stupid. No, that does not mean I'm anti-parade.
Originally posted by KinnearyI come into this and other topics sporadically to discuss things generally out of boredom.
Seriously, did you come into this topic and start posting just because you wanted to sound righteous and be the voice of the 'little guy'? Because it's not working. Also, if you could do me a huge favor, I need you to read this topic before you post again. It would save me a lot of copy and pasting. Okay? Thanks.
You could save time by just answering people's simple short answer questions with simple short answers.
Addendum the second:
As far as I'm aware the actual wording of Article 125 doesn't specify homosexual sodomy; but the enforcement of said Article is disproportionately towards homosexual sodomy.
"The penalties under Article 125 are severe. Consensual sodomy is punishable by "[d]ishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 5 years."[x] The criminal penalties for sodomy are in fact more severe than the punishment for negligent homicide, extortion, assault upon a child under 16 years, and aggravated assault other than with a loaded firearm.[xi]" ACLU; although I can't find what they reference [xi] as.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
That's not an answer. That's a one sided perspective.
Capt_Fantastic
So you're fine with gays and their devient behavior, as long as they keep to themselves and hide in cramped clubs in alleys or keep their picnics on the same level of display as you'd expect to find at a church luncheon.
Capt
You just don't like gays. They're an affront to your masculine self-image. Your opinion of homosexuals are fed by these public displays of non-traditional masculinity and unconventional lifestyle.
Stop playing the hurt minority against the big, evil bigot.
Capt
And to address your last point, can you provide an example of any other kind of parade in which the term "pride" is always part of the title? Any other group with which that term is always applied?
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I have read the topic over the course of several days. It evolved from talking about a predominantly gay neighborhood to discussing the merits of gay pride parades, at which point I'm trying to figure out why there need be merits to any parade. My humblest and most utterly sincere apologies for not following your posts over the course of several days religiously.
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Your viewpoint seems to keep shifting as to why the gay pride parade's are irksome, from it was fun but they disrupt traffic, to "socially deviant" behavior shouldn't be public, to I find all parades stupid but only dislike those which don't "celebrate achievements".
I think all parades are stupid.
I think pride parades that celebrate things people have no control over is an especially idiotic reason to have a parade.
I think gay pride parades are hurtful to the gay community.
And the socially deviant behavior goes right in line with why they are hurtful to the gay community.
Never did I say they are fun but disrupt traffic.
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Perhaps just perhaps they're celebrating the achievement of being able to live their lifestyle without fear of being arrested for it? Just a thought.
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Again you assume that the person of minority could not actually simply be equally qualified. Pshaw, that would be unheard of.
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It's relevant in that really a parade that basically affects you in no way whatsoever still bothers you and I'm curious as to why.
Because they fall within your personal perceived realms of "normal" they are therefore not "socially deviant?" "I'm normal and they're not like me."
That was an ambiguous answer. The question is simple: is it the 'pride' part of 'gay pride parade.' As stated below, although apparently all parades are stupid, but you're not anti-parade as a rule.
In which case if they dropped the "pride" tag and just held it as a Mardi Gras/Carnival event would you still vehemently dislike it? If so why?
I consider you a typical young straight white male, in a predominantly straight-male-dominated-white-majority society. Interpret that as you will.
Only anti-pride parade if it's going to be a Mardi Gras; in which case would it be acceptable if they simply called it the Gay Parade and had a Mardi Gras style event?
"The penalties under Article 125 are severe. Consensual sodomy is punishable by "[d]ishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 5 years."[x] The criminal penalties for sodomy are in fact more severe than the punishment for negligent homicide, extortion, assault upon a child under 16 years, and aggravated assault other than with a loaded firearm.[xi]" ACLU; although I can't find what they reference [xi] as.
I still don't quite understand why some people in this topic enjoy attacking me because I'm in the military. Insinuating that I approve of everything in the UCMJ is, well, idiotic.
This is what I hate. As soon as a white guy doesn't agree with something gays or minorities do, he's automatically labled anti-whatever. I don't approve of their pride parades, so I'm a homophobe. Hell, Eis, a gay man, agrees with my view that homosexuality, something he can't control, isn't something to be proud of. It just is. My heterosexuality isn't something to be proud of. I shouldn't get parades just because I'm straight. If gays want to have gay versions of celebrations like Mardi Gras, they should feel free to.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Now liking Britney Spears is gay.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Yes
Originally posted by Kinneary
I still don't quite understand why some people in this topic enjoy attacking me because I'm in the military. Insinuating that I approve of everything in the UCMJ is, well, idiotic.
Yes. If this continues, let me know.
Originally posted by Kinneary
This is what I hate. As soon as a white guy doesn't agree with something gays or minorities do, he's automatically labled anti-whatever. I don't approve of their pride parades, so I'm a homophobe.
I think your comments have extended beyond mere "disapporval."
Originally posted by Kinneary
Hell, Eis, a gay man, agrees with my view that homosexuality, something he can't control, isn't something to be proud of. It just is. My heterosexuality isn't something to be proud of.
Wow. Pluralism. Really, you shouldn't be surprised it exists.
It is my personal opinion that certain excesses could be detrimental to the equal rights movement. However, I also understand that an oppressed minority has a right to over-express itself. Especially when some people feel ashamed to be homosexual. Having confidence in who you are can be termed pride. There are multiple denotations of the word.
Be sensitive to what you are saying. You can state most opinons withoug being offensive.
Originally posted by Alliance I think your comments have extended beyond mere "disapporval."
Wow. Pluralism. Really, you shouldn't be surprised it exists.
It is my personal opinion that certain excesses could be detrimental to the equal rights movement. However, I also understand that an oppressed minority has a right to over-express itself. Especially when some people feel ashamed to be homosexual. Having confidence in who you are can be termed pride. There are multiple denotations of the word.Be sensitive to what you are saying. You can state most opinons withoug being offensive. [/B]
Originally posted by KinnearyI have I just don't memorize people's posts over the course of several days and recall them all instantly at the point of making a new post several days later.
You don't have to follow them religiously. Just read them before you start asking me questions.
Originally posted by KinnearySnarky.
Perhaps complex thought is something alien to you. Let me draw you a nice and clear picture here.I think all parades are stupid.
I think pride parades that celebrate things people have no control over is an especially idiotic reason to have a parade.
I think gay pride parades are hurtful to the gay community.
And the socially deviant behavior goes right in line with why they are hurtful to the gay community.
Never did I say they are fun but disrupt traffic.
Retraction: yes you said that BBQs were fun and that marches stop traffic and are therefore irksome.
Originally posted by KinnearyToday, yes it's unlikely, but not impossible. As for in the past, Lawrence vs Texas, Kentucky vs Wasson, Bowers vs Hardwick. The archaic Lawrence vs Texas case was decided in the US Supreme Court... in 2003.
No one is going to arrest a gay person because they are gay.
Originally posted by KinnearyIt doesn't make you look like a bigot, it just makes you look like a white male whining about how disadvantaged white males are in a white male dominated society.
And again you're taking the fact that Affirmitive Action encourages hiring of minorities, whether they are equally qualified or not, and pushing that to the side to make me look I'm a bigot. Please, stop with the self righteousness.
Besides your one anecdote about a hospital, you haven't really offered anything to confirm widespread hiring of minorities on the basis of their race alone. You could have at least offered something less personally anecdotal like the ironic appointment of Justice Clarence Brown to replace Thurgood Marshall despite his qualification for the job being questionable, at least according to the ABA. I was just offering counterpoint to you basically not even putting into consideration the employee could actually be equally qualified.
Affirmative action as it's currently formulated and implemented in all likelihood isn't a good methodology to increase employment equality, however that doesn't mean that the underlying intent is wrong nor that there isn't a justification.
Originally posted by KinnearyIt bothers you that British people consider you stupid. Do you think it bothers some gay people that acts such as the legal framework not recognising a stable gay relationship, or beliefs that public displays of "gayness" are socially deviant?
British people thinking Americans are stupid basically affects me in no way whatsoever, but still bothers me, too. Sorry. Sometimes people can be aggravated by simple acts and beliefs despite not being personally affected by them. It happens more often than you think.
Question: under your definition of "socially deviant" would you consider a lesbian or gay couple having public displays of affection socially deviant?
Originally posted by KinnearyWhat is and what isn't "socially deviant." Women buffing cars with various body parts in music videos isn't. Near naked women dressed in elaborate feathered costumes in a parade isn't. But near naked men dressed in elaborate (feathered?) costumes is?
What are we talking about here? Mardi Gras? Music Videos? Gays? You lost me.
It's not my thing. I would assume it's not your thing. But I wouldn't consider it socially deviant, but then I'm one of those loose-moralled liberal foreigners.
Originally posted by KinnearyNo idea. Which was basically what the first post I made in here you responded to, with snarky blah blah blah read old posts, was asking; which none of your little recap self-posts really answered unambiguously. Of course it would still be a parade of social deviants?
From my understanding, and I'm not the authority by any means, did Mardi Gras start out as a Christian celebration, not a pride parade? If it were just a gay version of Mardi Gras, no, I would not have a problem with it.
Originally posted by KinnearyWhich was basically what the first post I made in here you responded to, with snarky blah blah blah read old posts, was asking; which none of your little recap self-posts really answered unambiguously.
If gays want to have a Mardi Gras style event, they can feel absolutely free to do so.
Originally posted by KinnearyI'm not attacking you, I'm simply using a pertinent example of discrimination. If I was discussing gender bias with Alliance a pertinent example could be the slant towards there being more male PIs in science.
I did not find anything in the UCMJ about specifically assaulting a minor. I could be wrong, though. And, once again.
I still don't quite understand why some people in this topic enjoy attacking me because I'm in the military. Insinuating that I approve of everything in the UCMJ is, well, idiotic.
Originally posted by KinnearySnarky, yes. Somewhat whiny. Homophobe, no. You read too much into things. I find this whole concept of "socially deviant" as you've defined it interesting and curious though.
This is what I hate. As soon as a white guy doesn't agree with something gays or minorities do, he's automatically labled anti-whatever. I don't approve of their pride parades, so I'm a homophobe. Hell, Eis, a gay man, agrees with my view that homosexuality, something he can't control, isn't something to be proud of. It just is. My heterosexuality isn't something to be proud of. I shouldn't get parades just because I'm straight. [b]If gays want to have gay versions of celebrations like Mardi Gras, they should feel free to. [/B]
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I have I just don't memorize people's posts over the course of several days and recall them all instantly at the point of making a new post several days later.
Snarky.Retraction: yes you said that BBQs were fun and that marches stop traffic and are therefore irksome.
Today, yes it's unlikely, but not impossible. As for in the past, Lawrence vs Texas, Kentucky vs Wasson, Bowers vs Hardwick. The archaic Lawrence vs Texas case was decided in the US Supreme Court... in 2003.
It doesn't make you look like a bigot, it just makes you look like a white male whining about how disadvantaged white males are in a white male dominated society.Besides your one anecdote about a hospital, you haven't really offered anything to confirm widespread hiring of minorities on the basis of their race alone. You could have at least offered something less personally anecdotal like the ironic appointment of Justice Clarence Brown to replace Thurgood Marshall despite his qualification for the job being questionable, at least according to the ABA. I was just offering counterpoint to you basically not even putting into consideration the employee could actually be equally qualified.
Affirmative action as it's currently formulated and implemented in all likelihood isn't a good methodology to increase employment equality, however that doesn't mean that the underlying intent is wrong nor that there isn't a justification.
It bothers you that British people consider you stupid. Do you think it bothers some gay people that acts such as the legal framework not recognising a stable gay relationship, or beliefs that public displays of "gayness" are socially deviant?Question: under your definition of "socially deviant" would you consider a lesbian or gay couple having public displays of affection socially deviant?
What is and what isn't "socially deviant." Women buffing cars with various body parts in music videos isn't. Near naked women dressed in elaborate feathered costumes in a parade isn't. But near naked men dressed in elaborate (feathered?) costumes is?It's not my thing. I would assume it's not your thing. But I wouldn't consider it socially deviant, but then I'm one of those loose-moralled liberal foreigners.
No idea. Which was basically what the first post I made in here you responded to, with snarky blah blah blah read old posts, was asking; which none of your little recap self-posts really answered unambiguously. Of course it would still be a parade of social deviants?
Which was basically what the first post I made in here you responded to, with snarky blah blah blah read old posts, was asking; which none of your little recap self-posts really answered unambiguously.
I'm not attacking you, I'm simply using a pertinent example of discrimination. If I was discussing gender bias with Alliance a pertinent example could be the slant towards there being more male PIs in science.Snarky, yes. Somewhat whiny. Homophobe, no. You read too much into things. I find this whole concept of "socially deviant" as you've defined it interesting and curious though.
The minute I saw this thread I thought of you.😐
Edit: Not in a bad/insult. You're just a straight guy that cool with playing gay.
Originally posted by LethalFemmeLikewise you with this one:
The minute I saw this thread I thought of you.😐
Originally posted by Lord Urizen🥷
YouTube video
I foresee this going even more offtopic than it already is.
Originally posted by LethalFemmeI don't really consider "gay" a derogatory anyway. 😬
Edit: Not in a bad/insult. You're just a straight guy that cool with playing gay.
Edit: Kinneary, I'm going to sleep. Feel free to respond to the above but I'm just going to agree to disagree over anything that's been disagreeable - 'cause I really shouldn't be spending so much time on KMC.
Originally posted by Kinneary
No, I don't just not like gays. I really don't care, honestly. Let them be gay. I'm still failing to realize how you're equating the fact that I don't agree with pride parades into I hate gays. I hate pride parades.Stop playing the hurt minority against the big, evil bigot.
I assure you, I'm not hurt. It takes someone a lot bigger than you to hurt me. I never said you hate gays. In the very quote you used to write the comment to which I am responding, you'll see I never said you hate gays. I said you think they're an affront to your masculinity and that open displays of it are lewd. Be it in a pride parade or a couple walking down the street holding hands. You're one of those people who are fine with homosexuals existing as long as they're not out there turning your kids gay. If you are as big and straight as you say you are, you wouldn't care. And if you think for even a minute I think you'd have a problem with a half dressed woman walking down the street, you're nuts.
Originally posted by Kinneary
When I say a pride parade, it refers to a parade in which the participants are showcasing aspects of themselves, or the group, in which they are proud of. For example, a military parade can be a pride parade. A gay parade can be a pride parade. The Thanksgiving parade cannot be a pride parade.
What are you talking about? The military parade is a military tradition that has no influence upon people outside the military. I heard that some where.
The Thanksgiving parade celebrates the mass murder of native Americans, right. As long as everyone involved is dressed from head to toe it's all good.
Originally posted by Kinneary
You don't have to follow them religiously. Just read them before you start asking me questions.
I'm not asking you questions. I'm pointing out that you're a hypocrit.
Originally posted by Kinneary
Perhaps complex thought is something alien to you. Let me draw you a nice and clear picture here.
Originally posted by Kinneary
I think all parades are stupid.
Originally posted by Kinneary
I think pride parades that celebrate things people have no control over is an especially idiotic reason to have a parade.
Originally posted by Kinneary
I think gay pride parades are hurtful to the gay community.
Originally posted by Kinneary
And the socially deviant behavior goes right in line with why they are hurtful to the gay community.
Originally posted by Kinneary
Never did I say they are fun but disrupt traffic.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Why ? Hate is a strong emotion to harbor...I am not attracted to feminine men. They turn me off. I'd just date a girl if that's what I wanted.
However, you are using the wrong term. A Metrosexual is a man (gay or straight) who is overtly concerned about his looks. He grooms himself every day, wears the most expensive clothes, probably bleaches his teeth and hair, and sun tans vigorously.
Metrosexuals do not "act like women" in thier personalities, only in the sense that they try to look thier best in all situations.
What you are talking about are "queens"- a slang term which refers to gay men (or straight men) who act like little girls. With this ass eyebrows, pink nails, belly showing, raging screaming annoying accents (the fkn lisp)
I personally find that style unattractive...but i certainly do not hate them for it.
Whatever, you get my point though
No man, gay or straight should act like so frollicy woman
And i'm sorry but hate is pretty much the only term I can think of when it comes to how I feel about guys like that
Originally posted by Alliance
I think you should act like a man and not like an ass. People can act as they choose. They are not infringing on anyone elses rights.
I never said they were infringing on anyone's rights 😐
I'm saying that nobody should respect them, because there is nothing respectable about them