Sabretooth VS Carnage

Originally posted by python99
Yeah Spidey beat carnage with mere punches but Sabretooth and Spidey have 2 different fighting styles. Sabretooths style is an aggressive type, which can leave you vulnerable to impact. Spidey on the other hand tends to go in and let you make mistakes that will get you left open to take some shots. Both styles have there strengths and weaknesses. I think Spidey style is a more frustrating style to deal with because he just moves around too damn much. This battle is just between 2 aggressive beasts.

Lets put it like this, when spiderman was fighting carnage back then spiderman was at 10 ton strength, now sabertooth is at 15 to 20 ton. Do the math. By the way I could have sworn that sabertooth dont just stand there and take punishment, he does do a little dodging himself and weapon x has made him faster and more agile. Sabertooth has the capabilities of digging his hand deep inside carnage, he has the capability of doing that. Like I said carnage will win this but not easily. Sabertooth has never went down easily, not against anyone and I could have sworn that he accomplished something that carnage didnt, he had spiderman in his grasp and could have killed him but didnt. Thats a dream of carnage that would never be fullfilled. carnage 7/10. naah 6/10. By the way with the spiderman feat, you stating that he jump in and out of battle, do he have a choice, he can be killed. He cant afford to be hit thats why he jump out of battle. It take a lot to bring sabertooth down, a whole bunch and thats where carnage will have a problem. He's fighting a guy that is just as ruthless can take a huge amount of pain and actually thrive off of pain and he fighting someone that not only fights a 1000 times better than him but also have enhanced senses, superhuman senses. Someone that you cant sneak, someone that has a adamantium skeleton structure, agile as heal, speed, super strength. Just the works. Fought and killed people far superior than carnage (wendigo) (superman clones). Sabertooth isnt going down easy in this fight, not by a long shot.

Originally posted by carver9
sabertooth is at 15 to 20 ton.

Based on what?

carnage wins

based on this
http://www.marveldatabase.com/Sabretooth_%28Victor_Creed%29

They didnt say enhanced strength but super human strength.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=902

and you can also go by the nearest bookstore and buy a UPDATED marvel encyclopedia and it will tell you of his strength level. I own one and it says that his strength level is unknown but it is in the 15 to 20 ton range.

Originally posted by python99
The Spider sense works aginst Venom? 😕
Where was I? 😮

Scarlett spider's spider sense DID indeed work against venom.
While venom arguably adapted to it by their nex fight, it DID work in their first brawl, but venom was just too fast for it to help.

Originally posted by carver9
based on this
http://www.marveldatabase.com/Sabretooth_%28Victor_Creed%29

They didnt say enhanced strength but super human strength.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=902

and you can also go by the nearest bookstore and buy a UPDATED marvel encyclopedia and it will tell you of his strength level. I own one and it says that his strength level is unknown but it is in the 15 to 20 ton range.

We also have th fact that he (before upgrades) was packing enough power to punch rogue out in 3 hits, and slugfest with ms. marvel....

Not to mention the fact that creed ran through a barrier wall constructed to be capible of stopping a full grown bull elephant charge. Elephants ALONE weigh up to 7 tons and have a pulling capacity of 10 to 20 tons on several different documented occasions. The force they could exert from a charge in terms of pounds of pressure per square inch: to think that Sabretooth breaking through that DOESN'T imply him to be at LEAST a 10 tonner would be absurd.

Originally posted by carver9
Lets put it like this, when spiderman was fighting carnage back then spiderman was at 10 ton strength, now sabertooth is at 15 to 20 ton. Do the math. By the way I could have sworn that sabertooth dont just stand there and take punishment, he does do a little dodging himself and weapon x has made him faster and more agile. Sabertooth has the capabilities of digging his hand deep inside carnage, he has the capability of doing that. Like I said carnage will win this but not easily. Sabertooth has never went down easily, not against anyone and I could have sworn that he accomplished something that carnage didnt, he had spiderman in his grasp and could have killed him but didnt. Thats a dream of carnage that would never be fullfilled. carnage 7/10. naah 6/10. By the way with the spiderman feat, you stating that he jump in and out of battle, do he have a choice, he can be killed. He cant afford to be hit thats why he jump out of battle. It take a lot to bring sabertooth down, a whole bunch and thats where carnage will have a problem. He's fighting a guy that is just as ruthless can take a huge amount of pain and actually thrive off of pain and he fighting someone that not only fights a 1000 times better than him but also have enhanced senses, superhuman senses. Someone that you cant sneak, someone that has a adamantium skeleton structure, agile as heal, speed, super strength. Just the works. Fought and killed people far superior than carnage (wendigo) (superman clones). Sabertooth isnt going down easy in this fight, not by a long shot.

Carnage has had more than enough chances to kill Spidey. Spidey has got Longshot type of luck when he fights Carnage even with Venom's help. I don't know Carnage's battle history, but when you fight both Venom and Spidey of in a battle and Still smile about it you must be doing somthing right. Killing Wendigo is impressive on Sabretooths part but, the day Sabretooth fights off Spidey and Venom in the same batlle let me know. 7/10

Carnage only manadged todo that in his first appearance.. after that every time he fought venom in a straight 1on1, all the battle was, was venom spraying carnage's blood all over the walls.

Originally posted by jinzin
Carnage only manadged todo that in his first appearance.. after that every time he fought venom in a straight 1on1, all the battle was, was venom spraying carnage's blood all over the walls.

Read Carnage unleashed, read Max. Carnage, read Venom vs Carnage. Venom didn't whoop him on those occasions.. They were evenly matched or Carnage was handling it better.

The only 2 occasions I can remember of Venom humiliating Carnage are in "Venom: the trial" & when Venom absorbed his symbiote.

Originally posted by jinzin

Not to mention the fact that creed ran through a barrier wall constructed to be capible of stopping a full grown bull elephant charge. Elephants ALONE weigh up to 7 tons and have a pulling capacity of 10 to 20 tons on several different documented occasions. The force they could exert from a charge in terms of pounds of pressure per square inch: to think that Sabretooth breaking through that DOESN'T imply him to be at LEAST a 10 tonner would be absurd.

You do realize he isn't necessarily capable of benchpressing 10 tons or more. You do know you can exert more force by ramming in to or tackling something, right? Btw, got links on the elephant facts?

Got any other strenght feats? And, someone actually calculated the strenght required to twist the dumbell like Creed did in the morlock massacre arc. It was roughly around 3 tons. - & That was pre upgrade Sabes. So he's *at least* a 3 tonner.

Originally posted by Jyppe
You do realize he isn't necessarily capable of benchpressing 10 tons or more. You do know you can exert more force by ramming in to or tackling something, right? Btw, got links on the elephant facts?

Got any other strenght feats? And, someone actually calculated the strenght required to twist the dumbell like Creed did in the morlock massacre arc. It was roughly around 3 tons. - & That was pre upgrade Sabes. So he's *at least* a 3 tonner.

He couldn't get out from under, what looks like, a non-armoured Humvee ... which would way a little over 2 tons ... roughly.

To be fair, he didn't really have leverage as the humvee was on top of his legs, but still. 20 tonner? Pfft.

When it comes to strength who am I to listen to, marvel or fans, I choose marvel. In his bio it states that sabertooth strength is 15 tons. It says that sabertooth has gotten upgrades in strength and speed, no telling what else. Sabertooth is in the 15 ton range, deal with it, what is so hard to except it. You all throw spiderman in the 20 ton range but didnt show me anything that states that. Going by marvel it states that he is in the 10 ton range, going by fans you all state that he is in the 20 ton range because he lifted up a train, from the end side, not directly in the middle. Sabertooth knocked rogue out who is consider nigh invulnerable and strength range is in the 50 ton. He fought fist to fist with ms marvel. 3 tons, I dont know where you get that from. He might was that a long while ago but not anymore. Now show me something where spiderman strength is in the 20 ton. Not a scan but something that says that his strength is 20 tons.

Originally posted by jinzin
Not to mention the fact that creed ran through a barrier wall constructed to be capible of stopping a full grown bull elephant charge. Elephants ALONE weigh up to 7 tons and have a pulling capacity of 10 to 20 tons on several different documented occasions. The force they could exert from a charge in terms of pounds of pressure per square inch: to think that Sabretooth breaking through that DOESN'T imply him to be at LEAST a 10 tonner would be absurd.

Peak human my ass...

Originally posted by carver9
Now show me something where spiderman strength is in the 20 ton. Not a scan but something that says that his strength is 20 tons.

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Online bios can be written by anyone and bios are based on one persons interpretation of what has happened in that characters comics .... you're basically asking people to ignore "evidence" and judge characters based on a third party's opinion.

Seems pretty backwards to me.

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Originally posted by Scoobless
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Online bios can be written by anyone and bios are based on one persons interpretation of what has happened in that characters comics .... you're basically asking people to ignore "evidence" and judge characters based on a third party's opinion.

Seems pretty backwards to me.

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Well maybe i need to disregard the fact that it was written by marvel that sabertooth strength is in the 15 ton range but in this fight his strength dont matter, he would have to rely purely on his claws and we havent seen how carnage handles adamantium claws anyway. The fights that I have seen of wolverine and venom (except there 1st fight and wolverine claws was having a major impact on venom in that comic), wolverine had his bone claws, except there last fight and wolverine didnt even use them in that fight. So this would be a good fight but I still think that carnage takes the majority here, 6/10. Sabertooth is just to furious and cunning and I do think that he will find a way and if spiderman can beat carnage physically, I dont see sabertooth having a problem doing the same.

Originally posted by jinzin
"almost as fast as spiderman"

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carnage is FASTER than Spiderman. 😐

meh, I'd say carnage MIGHT take the majority here.. on the other hand... Sabretooth MIGHT eat him like he did those river of flesh dogs in the latest x-men book.

Prove that Carnage is faster. Last time I checked, the MAXIMUM was that they were parallel.

"Originally, he was stronger then both Spider-Man and Venom combined. Carnage also possesses levels of superhuman agility and reaction time comparable to those of Spider-Man."

Carnage is stronger, and POSSIBLY the same speed as Spiderman.

Originally posted by carver9
Now show me something where spiderman strength is in the 20 ton. Not a scan but something that says that his strength is 20 tons.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Spider-Man_%28Peter_Parker%29

It says before his upgrade he was able to lift 15 tons under optimal conditions. His current level since his upgrade has yet to be determined. Sounds like someone's going by bullshit instead of marvel for spidey's stats.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Spider-Man_%28Peter_Parker%29

It says before his upgrade he was able to lift 15 tons under optimal conditions. His current level since his upgrade has yet to be determined. Sounds like someone's going by bullshit instead of marvel for spidey's stats.

This is enough proof for me. Spidey would be about 20+ ton mark.
I dont think much superheroes get downgraded after a rebirth.
Good find 😄

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Prove that Carnage is faster. Last time I checked, the MAXIMUM was that they were parallel.

"Originally, he was stronger then both Spider-Man and Venom combined. Carnage also possesses levels of superhuman agility and reaction time comparable to those of Spider-Man."

Carnage is stronger, and POSSIBLY the same speed as Spiderman.

I never said that Carnage was faster, in fact, if Carnage was faster to any significant degree, then Spider-Man would be dead.

I'd say they are around the same speed ... with maybe a slight advantage to Spider-Man.