Yeah, having all the street level guys at "peak" human is ridiculous. So when they come across a 300lb man of muscle in a bar, they should be able to out lift that guy, punch harder, etc even though they're half his weight? Ridiculous.
Only exception in my head is Cap, because of the super soldier serum.
Originally posted by capt it up
Logan roughly a 2 tonnerWolverine punching a guy who says he his brother in water so hard he slams into the wall and his head goes through it.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strength21yp.jpgthis feat would require at least 2 tons of strength. Though to tell you the truth it would most deffinetly require more.
back on topic has wolverine ever been stated as peak-human?
I have scans of Nightcrawler punching people with the strength to "knock out 12 men," but it doesn't put him at 2 tons.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah we know but the point is that Cap lifted it easily, he was doing reps with it and he went to do acrobatics afterwards and wasnt even breathing hard. Therefore Caps maximum could easiy be a ton or even slightly above it. 2 tons under extreme duress.So no Cap has superhuman strength.
No. Cap does not have superhuman strength. Let it go. Cap can probably, at the very highest limit, lift around 1,500 lbs. I could never see Cap actually lifting 2,000 lbs. Nor have I seen it yet.
I'll be the first to say it... No where on panel has it been stated that wolverine is peak human.
I believe everyone on this forum that is arguing with you is saying the only thing that makes him ABOVE peak human is his bones.
It is much easier to lift something when you know it won't break your bones. The force of your punch will hit harder when it's backed by metal.
At least I think that's what everyone is trying to say. But you're right... this does make him beyond peak human (in a sense). However, has it ever been stated that he is BEYOND peak human anywhere on panel? Specifically (just curious).
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
I'll be the first to say it... No where on panel has it been stated that wolverine is peak human.I believe everyone on this forum that is arguing with you is saying the only thing that makes him ABOVE peak human is his bones.
It is much easier to lift something when you know it won't break your bones. The force of your punch will hit harder when it's backed by metal.
At least I think that's what everyone is trying to say. But you're right... this does make him beyond peak human (in a sense). However, has it ever been stated that he is BEYOND peak human anywhere on panel? Specifically (just curious).
yes actaully in the new thunder bolts as well as in the wepaon x novel.
He also been stated in other stories such as in the ba'al arch.
Originally posted by capt it up
yes actaully in the new thunder bolts as well as in the wepaon x novel.He also been stated in other stories such as in the ba'al arch.
Well what exactly is it they say?
I'm not trying to argue with you I'm just trying to make it so you understand what almost everyone on KMC is talking about when they say he's not superhuman. Don't you think his Skeleton is kindof what makes his strength more enhanced?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
No. Cap does not have superhuman strength. Let it go. Cap can probably, at the very highest limit, lift around 1,500 lbs. I could never see Cap actually lifting 2,000 lbs. Nor have I seen it yet.
Well if you cant understand the concept that cap:
1. lifted 1100lbs with ease.
2. was doing reps with it
3. wasn't even breathing hard
4. Did acrobatics straight afterwards.
Then I cant help you.
I could have sworn earlier on you said you believed that Cap could lift a ton, but I cant be bothered to find the quote. Anyway I thought 1500 wa superhuman?
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Is that quoted from Marvel, or did you just make that up?
C'mon man dont accuse me of that, I might get my facts wrong but im not making stuff up. Well this is were I got the information.
http://www.marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels/index.htm
I havnet read a Marvel universe since 1993, but this site seems to get alot of stuff from Marvel Universe. One thing I have noticed about this site is that I have seen information that has been taken from Marvel Universe but they have updated it as well, so I kinda trust them. If you look at the link it shows superhuman strength starting at 1000lbs.
Theres also this :
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Talk:Wolverine_(James_Howlett)#Strength_Level
This is also stated in the updated versions of the Marvel Universe. In the Marvel Universe Master Editions issues 4 and issues 21 Wolverine's strength level is listed as enhanced (800 lbs to 2 ton range). In the Marvel Universe Editions of 2005 and after he is listed on level 4 (same range).
Well I think enhanced can be considered to be superhuman.
It stated in the original Marvel Universe that Sabretooh had Superhuman strength enabling him to lift at least 900 pounds
The problem is as well if you look at Marvel peak human, enhanced human and superhuman can be the same thing. But since Marvel has stated that superhuman strength starts at least at 900lbs then Cap is superhuman.
Originally posted by Accel
Honestly Accel, thats kinda an old scan (judging form the looks). People get upgrades all the time, and I know at least a few of those guys have grown more powerful over the years.
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
. Don't you think his Skeleton is kindof what makes his strength more enhanced?
That is exactly why I believe he has a degree of superhuman strength, that and his healing factor not allowing his muscles to tear and such.
Originally posted by AlfheimC'mon man dont accuse me of that, I might get my facts wrong but im not making stuff up. Well this is were I got the information.
http://www.marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels/index.htm
:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Talk:Wolverine_(James_Howlett)#Strength_Level
[B]It stated in the original Marvel Universe that Sabretooh had Superhuman strength enabling him to lift at least 900 pounds
The problem is as well if you look at Marvel peak human, enhanced human and superhuman can be the same thing. But since Marvel has stated that superhuman strength starts at least at 900lbs then Cap is superhuman. [/B]
Thats fantastic, I would agree, judging from feats and going by some of that info, wolverine does posses a degree of superhuman strength.
But by going from marvel.com, where would you rate BP!? It says he is also Superhuman!?
Originally posted by Apolloknight
But by going from marvel.com, where would you rate BP!? It says he is also Superhuman!?
Well this is the thing. To be quite honest with you superhuman in street level terms is the same damn thing as peak human and enhanced.
Cap has peak human strength but could probably lift a ton, Wolverine has enhanced strength and can lift a ton. Its been said that superhuman strength starts at 900 lbs or 1000lbs, but if superhuman strength starts at 900 or 1000lbs why is Caps strength classified as peak human?
It also says that enhanced strength starts at 800lbs...so er...ok...whats greater enhanced strength or superhuman strength? Some sources imply that enhanced human is below superhuman, others do not. Do you see the problem?
The fact of the matter is this in street level terms the words peak human, enhanced human and superhuman are just thrown around carelessly. I dont know how much BP can lift but for all we know it could be 1 ton and as you can see 1 ton can be enhanced, peak and superhuman at the same time. I think 2 or 3 tons is something that everbody would agree on being superhuman, but since marvel.com doesnt state exactly how much he can lift and the fact that he is a street leveler...I would put BP at 2 tons.
I have to admit I'm with Alf on the Cap issue, if you can show me a normal human, who can rep with 1,000lbs then I would agree hes peak Human.
Fact is by real world standards Cap has superhuman strength, he was reping with more than the (unoffcial) World record one rep max at for a guy who weighs between 230-240 like Cap does that is Superhuman.
Judging by the MU standards though there is an argument to be made for peak human, only because in general people in the MU seem to be quite a bit stronger than people in the real world.
Personaly I would put Cap at class one under duress, so its not something he does on a regular basis but he can push himself to his limits and do it.
To me that would be minor superhuman strength, to others it would be merely peak human, its all in the eye of the beholder.
He was curling 500lbs in the Korvac saga! 99% of men on the planet can't BENCH 500lbs let alone do bicep curls with it!
