Sabretooth/Wolverine strength levels

"Blah blah blah" ..... this is what may as well be typed when trying to convince people of Wolverine and Sabretooth's supposed "superhuman" strength levels.

I want people to post scans (plural) which prove that Wolverine is at/above peak human strength levels ... or not.

People also often say that Sabretooth isn't far off of Spider-Man in strength ... i'd like to see some evidence of this as well.

well this argument goes both ways. why do people think wolverine is peak-human in every area? He has never on pannel been stated to be

Originally posted by capt it up
well this argument goes both ways. why do people think wolverine is peak-human in every area? He has never on pannel been stated to be

people assume he's peak human because he doesn't have onpanel feats indicating otherwise

if you ever find a pic of Wolverine tossing a car or something, then that would prove he's beyond peak human

wolverine's been in 1000s of comics, so if he really is superhuman, he should have some impressive strength feats

Originally posted by masterbruce
people assume he's peak human because he doesn't have onpanel feats indicating otherwise

if you ever find a pic of Wolverine tossing a car or something, then that would prove he's beyond peak human

wolverine's been in 1000s of comics, so if he really is superhuman, he should have some impressive strength feats

also he does have impressive strength feats that put him in 2 ton range.

Wolverine throwing a 1,600 pound full trash container with one arm. (Yes look it up ur self’s at full they are 1,600 pounds)
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anothergoodoldstrengthfeat5sc.jpg

This pic speaks for it self.
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolvstrength9ea.jpg

Lifting a shark that weights between 1000 to 1200 pounds and throwing it in a boat from the water. (Look it up your self if u don’t believe how much a shark that size would way)
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthfeatskarkstyle9jl.jpg

Wolverine punching a guy who says he his brother in water so hard he slams into the wall and his head goes through it.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strength21yp.jpg

Wolverine beats rough-house with his fists. (Rough-house is stated by (marvels wolverine official hand book 2004) to be strength class of a 6 which is the same strength class colossus is in. he is also stated (wolverine # 123) to be just under hulks level of strength.
http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineownsroughhouse6bd.jpg

wolverine lifting blob and slamming blobs head into the wall.
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthandspeedfeat9oj.jpg

wolverine pick up a huge tree looking thing like a base ball bat and hitting a creature of pure energy.
http://img485.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anotherstrengthfeat7pr.jpg

Death wolverine smashing through a solid door of titanium that’s also being held back by x-man.
http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anotherwolverinestrengthfeat9n.gif

In (New X-men 115) Cassandra Nova has wolverine Cyclopes and pig faced guy chained up and wolverine easily breaks his chains using just strength and hits Cassandra nova.

In ( wolverine 28 agent of shield part 3) wolverine allows him self to be captured. Wolverine arms leg and neck are locked in this metal devices to hold wolverine but as soon as the sentinel attacks wolverine easily breaks it using pure strength.

In (Black Panther #9) a huge dragon mutant creature is flying holding black panther and wolverine stabs the creature in the tail and then swings the creature the opposite way while the creature is hold black panther.

In ( Wolverine #44) wolverine runs through a wall of rocks and boulders like it nothing.

In ( x-men # 7) wolverine who is haft dead and drugged breaks out of metal holding designed to hold him, using nothing but pure strength.

In ( x-men # 98) which is the 6th issue of x-men that wolverine was ever in. wolverine breaks holding of what were said to be unbreakable using just his strength because some guy this jean.

1) that guy getting punched underwater is comic book hyperbole...water wouldn't allow a body to move fast enough to damage a wall...even if Thor punched the guy, he still shouldn't crack the wall

also, in comics, everything breaks like its made of paper. you do realize that right. So many characters can easily break brick walls, concrete, steel even though they don't have super strength....its what artists do to make comics exciting.

2) Wolverine beating someone stronger doesn't mean he has super strength. You yourself have always claimed that if you are skilled you can take out someone stronger.

Also, every fighter has taken out someone stronger. Doesn't mean Spiderman or Cap or anyone else is class 100 because they beat someone of that strength.

3) all of the evidence you've provided (shark, garbage can, etc) SUPPORT the fact that logan's strength is about 1 ton since all those things are LESS than 1 ton.

Originally posted by masterbruce
1) that guy getting punched underwater is comic book hyperbole...water wouldn't allow a body to move fast enough to damage a wall...even if Thor punched the guy, he still shouldn't crack the wall

also, in comics, everything breaks like its made of paper. you do realize that right. So many characters can easily break brick walls, concrete, steel even though they don't have super strength....its what artists do to make comics exciting.

2) Wolverine beating someone stronger doesn't mean he has super strength. You yourself have always claimed that if you are skilled you can take out someone stronger.

Also, every fighter has taken out someone stronger. Doesn't mean Spiderman or Cap or anyone else is class 100 because they beat someone of that strength.

3) all of the evidence you've provided (shark, garbage can, etc) SUPPORT the fact that logan's strength is about 1 ton since all those things are LESS than 1 ton.

first it was not a hyper pole. He has hurt tiger shark under whater, hulk and a few others. It a fact he storng enough to cause injury to others in water. when has capt ever done that?

true in some aspects the hurt a super strong opponet does not truely indicate superhuman strength.

who that not superhumanly strong has broken shackles, chains and such that were stated as un breakable? When has capt ever broken that type of chaisn wolverien has? what has capt or batman ever run through a wall of rock with out slowing by simply slamming through it with there strength. when has capt or batman ever big up some thing as large as a tree and then swung it around like a base ball bat?

Really so now 1,200 pound shark thrown by it tail into a boat only takes 2000 pound strength? First of all grabbing any this by it liighter side and then throwning it is much harder. so lets so pickign up an object that heavy from it lighter side would mean you have to be roughly as strong plus a haft meaning wolverine would need at least 1,700 strength to simply lift it in that manner. The you take into fact he through it up which would require roughly another 300 or more pounds of strength meaning he need a ton of strength. Then you add in the fact that he was not touching the ground, but was in water and your taking at least 2 tons of strength. You need more, but I am willing to say 2 tons to accompish said feat.

the garbage container weight is 1,600 pounds and he throw it with one arm. which means that feat would mean his over all strength was over 3,200 by quite a bit.

Here are some of Captain America's (a well known peak human) feats:

Cap easily pushing the head of a soilder as it cracks the concrete.
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/9247/caf0603li3.jpg

Easily breaking shackles.
http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/2554/adventuresofcaptainamervc5.jpg

Breaking chains.
http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/3047/captainamericav48p11hgwra3.jpg

Easily bending jail bars.
http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/4444/advofcaptainamerica416gg7.jpg

Again bending jail bars.
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9194/adventuresofcaptainamerqs8.jpg

Cap makes a steel door buckle as you see it twised up as its on the ground.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/189/camedusaeffect049td3.jpg
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/4290/camedusaeffect050mq6.jpg

holding up TONs of debris
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31003ml6.jpg

So unless you think Captain America is superhuman, then wolverine is just peak human.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Here are some of Captain America's (a well known peak human) feats:

Cap easily pushing the head of a soilder as it cracks the concrete.
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/9247/caf0603li3.jpg

Originally posted by masterbruce
Easily breaking shackles.
http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/2554/adventuresofcaptainamervc5.jpg

Originally posted by masterbruce
Breaking chains.
http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/3047/captainamericav48p11hgwra3.jpg

Originally posted by masterbruce
Easily bending jail bars.
http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/4444/advofcaptainamerica416gg7.jpg

Again bending jail bars.
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9194/adventuresofcaptainamerqs8.jpg

Originally posted by masterbruce
Cap makes a steel door buckle as you see it twised up as its on the ground.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/189/camedusaeffect049td3.jpg
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/4290/camedusaeffect050mq6.jpg

Originally posted by masterbruce
holding up TONs of debris
http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31003ml6.jpg

Absorbing kinetic energy means he would feel little impulse.

Not that he wouldn't feel the weight.

Capt It Up

1) Are you saying Wolverine broke something that was 'unbreakable'? So he did something that is impossible to do?

2) How does Captain America's shield, help him hold up a couple of tons of debris?

Originally posted by capt it up
Wolverine throwing a 1,600 pound full trash container with one arm. (Yes look it up ur self’s at full they are 1,600 pounds)
http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=anothergoodoldstrengthfeat5sc.jpg

Lifting a shark that weights between 1000 to 1200 pounds and throwing it in a boat from the water. (Look it up your self if u don’t believe how much a shark that size would way)
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strengthfeatskarkstyle9jl.jpg

How do you know that comic ones aren't smaller?

Originally posted by bigbran
In real life they weigh that much...

How do you know that comic ones aren't smaller?

lets see the size of the shark was easy to measure using wolverine.

also the carbage containers in new york are avergaly that size. I would think they use the common container.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Capt It Up

1) Are you saying Wolverine broke something that was 'unbreakable'? So he did something that is impossible to do?

2) How does Captain America's shield, help him hold up a couple of tons of debris?

no it was stated as unbreakable meaning it was extremely hard and supose to not break.

the shield would asorbe the energy pushing down words causing it to seem lighter.

lol you could post Wolverine lifting a shift and people will just say " How you know it weighs alot, just because real ships weigh this much doesn't mean comic ones do". Other people just ignore the other scans and pick one sthey want. Anyway, lets see some Sabertooth strenth feats.

Originally posted by crimsonphoenix
lol you could post Wolverine lifting a shift and people will just say " How you know it weighs alot, just because real ships weigh this much doesn't mean comic ones do". Other people just ignore the other scans and pick one sthey want. Anyway, lets see some Sabertooth strenth feats.

I don't care how strong Wolverine is.

I'm just seeing a problem with one point.

Originally posted by bigbran
No, I just see a problem with those ones.

I don't care how strong Wolverine is.

I'm just seeing a problem with one point.

I like crimson she calls people out on there bias lol

What type of Shark is that meant to be? it looks from the picture to be about 10-12ft long, which would make it about the size of a small to medium sized Tiger Shark.

Tiger Shark's range from an average of about 850lbs to 1400lbs in weight, but Oceanic White tips will also attack humans and can reach up to 13 feet in length but only weigh on average about 370lbs.

Does the comic actually mention what type of shark it is? I mean at a push it could be a Young Great White which would make it heavier again.

Originally posted by capt it up
no it was stated as unbreakable meaning it was extremely hard and supose to not break.

wait, I thought unbreakable meant it could not be broken?

If wolverine broke it, doesn't that mean it was NOT unbreakable?