Originally posted by crimsonphoenix
Post some scans of I dn Spiderman doing superhuman feats in strength and agility. Atleast 10 and I will show you.
you will show me what?
You do realize in the Wolverine versus Spiderman thread, I voted for Wolverine, right?
So I hope you don't think I'm some Spiderman fanboy.
My point is that Wolverine breaking out of an 'unbreakable' chain is hyperbole on the writer's part, and I would say the same if Spiderman or Thor broke out of it. If something is unbreakable, like Adamantium, nobody can break it.
Originally posted by masterbruceThat isn't the point who you think would win. I am just using Spiderman as an example on if you post spider feats I could do what you are doing and question everything and then brush it off as not impressive when it is. Go ahead and you will see what I mean.
you will show me what?You do realize in the Wolverine versus Spiderman thread, I voted for Wolverine, right?
So I hope you don't think I'm some Spiderman fanboy.
My point is that Wolverine breaking out of an 'unbreakable' chain is hyperbole on the writer's part, and I would say the same if Spiderman or Thor broke out of it. If something is unbreakable, like Adamantium, nobody can break it.
I don't think you are any fanboy. Not the point, just examples and Spidey is the most common super human so I use him.
Originally posted by crimsonphoenix
That isn't the point who you think would win. I am just using Spiderman as an example on if you post spider feats I could do what you are doing and question everything and then brush it off as not impressive when it is. Go ahead and you will see what I mean.I don't think you are any fanboy. Not the point, just examples and Spidey is the most common super human so I use him.
But I never said Spiderman's feats are impressive, so why would I post scans of them?
And just because I have issue with one of Wolverine's feats, does not mean I think his other feats are unimpressive.
Originally posted by masterbruce
follow my logic:adamantium is unbreakable: hence no one, not wolverine or even Thor could break it
a 5 year old kid cannot break a pencil...that does not make the pencil unbreakable
or else anything in the world is unbreakable, since someone probably can't break it
do you understand?
So lets say Galactus or TOAA breaks it...which would be within their power to do so.
My point is, you can stress test something over and over and declare it unbreakable, take my Titanic example, that was deemed to have so many safety features that it was unsinkable, even on impact with an iceberg.
Testing it in the real world proved otherwise, when Tanks were developed in WWI they seemed to be indestructable, but people found a way round them.
My point was that and still is that you can test things up and down and safely say this is unbreakable but you can't factor everything in.
Yes I do understand what your saying although, a 5 year old saying something is unbreakable is hardly the company that makes it saying the same thing.
I also agree that the term "unbreakable" is used as a plot device because it makes it all the more dramatic when it does get broken.
However given the percentage of Superhumans with Super human strength on Marvel Earth, compared to the rest of the population I doubt that a company would factor in Spidermans strength when declaring something "unbreakable" for common use.
A bullet proof vest for instance isn't bullet proof if your using the right kind of bullet but does that mean you call it "bulletproof unless your using hollow points or a 45 at point blank range vest"?
I understand what your saying and for the record, whether it was intentional or not, there is no need to talk to me like I'm the 5 year old with the pencil. 😉
Now can we move on and someone post some Sabretooth strength feats?
Originally posted by crimsonphoenix
That isn't the point who you think would win. I am just using Spiderman as an example on if you post spider feats I could do what you are doing and question everything and then brush it off as not impressive when it is. Go ahead and you will see what I mean.I don't think you are any fanboy. Not the point, just examples and Spidey is the most common super human so I use him.
Crimsonphoenix,
If Thor broke an unbreakable chain, I would say that is bullsh1t as well.
If something is unbreakable, then NO ONE can break it. Do you understand that?
Originally posted by masterbruceI said it was obiously breakable but you miss it being impressive.
Crimsonphoenix,If Thor broke an unbreakable chain, I would say that is bullsh1t as well.
If something is unbreakable, then NO ONE can break it. Do you understand that?
Originally posted by Hercules
So lets say Galactus or TOAA breaks it...which would be within their power to do so.My point is, you can stress test something over and over and declare it unbreakable, take my Titanic example, that was deemed to have so many safety features that it was unsinkable, even on impact with an iceberg.
Testing it in the real world proved otherwise, when Tanks were developed in WWI they seemed to be indestructable, but people found a way round them.
My point was that and still is that you can test things up and down and safely say this is unbreakable but you can't factor everything in.
Yes I do understand what your saying although, a 5 year old saying something is unbreakable is hardly the company that makes it saying the same thing.
I also agree that the term "unbreakable" is used as a plot device because it makes it all the more dramatic when it does get broken.
However given the percentage of Superhumans with Super human strength on Marvel Earth, compared to the rest of the population I doubt that a company would factor in Spidermans strength when declaring something "unbreakable" for common use.
A bullet proof vest for instance isn't bullet proof if your using the right kind of bullet but does that mean you call it "bulletproof unless your using hollow points or a 45 at point blank range vest"?
I understand what your saying and for the record, whether it was intentional or not, there is no need to talk to me like I'm the 5 year old with the pencil. 😉
Now can we move on and someone post some Sabretooth strength feats?
Originally posted by Hercules
So lets say Galactus or TOAA breaks it...which would be within their power to do so.My point is, you can stress test something over and over and declare it unbreakable, take my Titanic example, that was deemed to have so many safety features that it was unsinkable, even on impact with an iceberg.
Testing it in the real world proved otherwise, when Tanks were developed in WWI they seemed to be indestructable, but people found a way round them.
My point was that and still is that you can test things up and down and safely say this is unbreakable but you can't factor everything in.
Yes I do understand what your saying although, a 5 year old saying something is unbreakable is hardly the company that makes it saying the same thing.
I also agree that the term "unbreakable" is used as a plot device because it makes it all the more dramatic when it does get broken.
However given the percentage of Superhumans with Super human strength on Marvel Earth, compared to the rest of the population I doubt that a company would factor in Spidermans strength when declaring something "unbreakable" for common use.
A bullet proof vest for instance isn't bullet proof if your using the right kind of bullet but does that mean you call it "bulletproof unless your using hollow points or a 45 at point blank range vest"?
I understand what your saying and for the record, whether it was intentional or not, there is no need to talk to me like I'm the 5 year old with the pencil. 😉
Now can we move on and someone post some Sabretooth strength feats?
1) How did I talk to you like a 5 year old? I break down my posts into clear steps because sometimes its hard for people to follow, so no offense intended to your intelligence.
2) technically Galactus and TOAA can't break adamantium through strength....they would have to manipulate its properties which they DO have the power to do and then they could break it.
3) IF wolverine broke the 'unbreakable' chain, then that would mean anyone stronger than him could as well. Thus 90% of Marvel would be able to break it. So would it be accurate to label a chain that 90% of Marvel characters can break as 'unbreakable'.
to answer your bulletproof vest question: let's say 90% of bullets can penetrate the vest, then I think it would be quite unreasonable to call it a bulletproof vest.
Originally posted by masterbruce😐
2) technically Galactus and TOAA can't break adamantium through strength....they would have to manipulate its properties which they DO have the power to do and then they could break it.
Also, hasn't Sy'm snapped off one of Wolverine's claws?
His skeleton isn't unbreakable either.
Unbreakable to Earth, doesn't equal it being unbreakable to all.
Cap's shield is unbreakable, and yet, it got one punched by Thanos with the Power Gem.
Nothing is unbreakable, unless TOAA makes it that way.
Originally posted by masterbruce
1) How did I talk to you like a 5 year old? I break down my posts into clear steps because sometimes its hard for people to follow, so no offense intended to your intelligence.2) technically Galactus and TOAA can't break adamantium through strength....they would have to manipulate its properties which they DO have the power to do and then they could break it.
3) IF wolverine broke the 'unbreakable' chain, then that would mean anyone stronger than him could as well. Thus 90% of Marvel would be able to break it. So would it be accurate to label a chain that 90% of Marvel characters can break as 'unbreakable'.
btw, I understand your points about titanic and bulletproof vests, but I don't feel they are adequate analogies in this case.
1) I was refering to the "do you understand?" bit at the bottom, I was also not entirely serious which is why I added the 😉
2) Who said something had to be broken through strength? if its broken its broken, this then makes it breakable.
3) And I agree but what I'm saying is if I'm Joe Bloggs, glass maker I'm selling to the 99% of normal humans in the Marvel Universe not the 1% who have super powers. To them, this glass is indeed "unbreakable".
Really I understand exactley what your saying but throughout history things have been declared, Unbreakable, unsinkable, unbeatable etc etc and its not always proved to be true.
If your talking literaly, your 100% correct, I don't think me or Crimson have denied this, I even agree that it was a plot device to make the feat seem even more spectacular.
I'm just pointing out that these terms are not exclusive to a comic book. 😄
Now has anyone got feats for Sabretooth, cause to be honest between him and Logan, its his strength level thats the bigger mystery to me!