Darkseid vs. Thanos

Originally posted by ZebusKing
I think the Darkseid that manhandled the Justice League is more powerful, but Thanos has a better damage soak than anyone on that team, at least against energy based attacks. Weather Thanos can actually beat New 52 Darkseid depends on if Thanos can soak up Darkseid's planet busting shots while mounting his own offense. Because I'm fairly positive Thanos has a better damage soak while Darkseid has better damage output.

I also think Thanos' shields are going to play a role here, if he has them.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I've fixed his quote so that you'll be able to understand the question. See below.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
thank you.

If a character is naturally fast then him/her losing their powers or forgetting them is PIS. Doesn't matter how many times it happens. PIS is not about percentages but actual STUPIDITY for the Plot sake?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
your either oblivious or omitting the context of him beating the JL, as they were both younger and not experienced as a team, I do believe DS to probably be shown in a high trans level but its premature to bank on that after seeing the treatment DD got; not to mention Lobo. thank you.

The only character who's experience may have been a factor is Superman, and considering that Darkseid was already murdering alternate versions of Superman, it's unlikely that 6 years of experience would made the difference between Superman getting manhandled by Darkseid and doing well against him.

I might have agreed with you if Dc hadn't just put out a comic with a weakened Superman killing Doomsday after wasting a mini-series building him up as a threat

Originally posted by h1a8
Well to answer your question now, it depends on the character? Some characters are higher than others. On average for all characters, I would say less than 10% of showings are PIS. But percentages are irrelevant.

If a character is naturally fast then him/her losing their powers or forgetting them is PIS. Doesn't matter how many times it happens. PIS is not about percentages but actual STUPIDITY for the Plot sake?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
I might have agreed with you if Dc hadn't just put out a comic with a weakened Superman killing Doomsday after wasting a mini-series building him up as a threat you contradicted yourself pretty hard, or you just showed a massive lack of knowledge of comics.

But from what I hear the only feat Doomsday had was pwning Wonder Woman.

I also believe Doomsday is set to appear in Action Comics #32 so that may not be the entire story. I think it would be silly to dedicate a story to Doomsday just to have Superman fodderize him.

I think will know more after Action #32 comes out.

He was built up in Superman Wonder Woman, I stopped reading it when Dc was trying to say Superman needed to protect Diana from a nuclear explosion.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
you contradicted yourself pretty hard, or you just showed a massive lack of knowledge of comics.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
I might have agreed with you if Dc hadn't just put out a comic with a weakened Superman killing Doomsday after wasting a mini-series building him up as a threat you contradicted yourself pretty hard, or you just showed a massive lack of knowledge of comics.

I disagree that superman was weakened to such a degree that he couldn't fly yet was able to tear apart Doomsday.

That would imply that it takes more power to fly than it does to tear DD, which isn't the case at all because WW can fly and she couldn't scratch DD.

Superman was definitely weakened due to the close proximity with DD, but still had enough to go all out and and tear apart DD. Going all out, he must have used enough energy, coupled with being weakened from being close to DD that he was barely able to fly afterwards.

It was definitely a high end feat for superman.

I haven't been reading Superman/Wonder Woman, I unfortunately needed to cut back on the Superman titles. I may pick it up if the Doomed storyline is prominent in that series.

You want me to prove that most characters use all their powers in every fight 90% of the time? Lol I think your trapping yourself in a logic loop.

Don't worry just call me biased again

Originally posted by Diesldude
I disagree that superman was weakened to such a degree that he couldn't fly yet was able to tear apart Doomsday.

That would imply that it takes more power to fly than it does to tear DD, which isn't the case at all because WW can fly and she couldn't scratch DD.

Superman was definitely weakened due to the close proximity with DD, but still had enough to go all out and and tear apart DD. Going all out, he must have used enough energy, coupled with being weakened from being close to DD that he was barely able to fly afterwards.

It was definitely a high end feat for superman.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
I'm sorry it sounds like your disagreeing with me but proving my point. I'm not trying to lowball it if that's what your worried about, I just think its a dumb feat. My opinion.

I'm not disagreeing with you. Just trying to point out why superman was weakened that he couldn't fly afterwards.

Cool beans.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Cool beans.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
You want me to prove that most characters use all their powers in every fight 90% of the time? Lol I think your trapping yourself in a logic loop.

Don't worry just call me biased again

This is why I stated that I like actually reading the comics to get my info instead of respect threads which is where h1 admitted that he gets all his info.

If you only read respect threads you'll end up with an extremely biased view of what constitutes a character's average.

Originally posted by Silent Master
This is why I stated that I like actually reading the comics to get my info instead of respect threads which is where h1 admitted that he gets all his info.

If you only read respect threads you'll end up with an extremely biased view of what constitutes a character's average.

EVERYONE here uses feats to prove their arguments. From Rage to Galan to Carver to ...
These feats are mostly found in the respect threads.
They post the scans of them on a daily basis to support the character they are arguing from. No one posts lower showings to support the character they are arguing for. NO ONE does that.

What does average have to do with PIS? PIS is when a character forgets their powers or loses them for no explanation to help the plot. You are referring to power levels, I'm not.

With that said, the large majority of comics is just talking and plot. Very little is action and feats. The lower feats don't bring down the upper feats since the lower feats required less power. For example, Superman lifting car doesn't bring down the feat where he lifts a mountain. There is nothing to average there. I can see if Superman failed to lift something. Then we can average.

Nothing you said refutes my point.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Nothing you said refutes my point.

You said you read comics. But when you do you fail to distinguish PIS because you don't think critically about it and accept basically all of it.
We are not talking about power levels mind you. That's where reading comics to get an accurate description of a character's average would be on point. We are talking about PIS showings, which isn't the same. PIS showings have characters forgetting their powers or having them turned completely off for the sake of the plot.

Spidey all of a sudden not having SS, speed, or reflexes in order for someone super slow and strong to hit him is an example.

What do you think Full Capacity means?

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