I fail to see how this is even relevant. You're talking about 2 characters who have pretty much everything in common and are just about mirror images of one another. Who's the better character ? It all comes down to choice and personal preference. Here's how the Dog of the Desert sees it:
Darkseid is a much bigger villain in the cosmic scale of things, he's a god of darkness and as such he's more of a story device than an actual character per se. He sees himself as master of all he surveys and has the power to back up pretty much whatever he wants to do. Is he the ultimate evil ? Probably not. Can he be beaten and humbled ? Yes. And he has on more than a few occasions. He's locked into one of those mythological type stories where he is fated to die at the hands of his son Orion. His own Ragnarok you might say.
Thanos, is a creature who's motivations were out of love or obsession with the avatar of Death. He's always been more prone to action, doing things himself. Not to say that he hasn't sought out allies when the need arose, but as a character he's come into his own. He's done pretty much everything he set out to do, and as such is worthy of respect. Is he the most powerful being in the marvel universe ? Most assuredly not, but he is one of the most well-rounded and experienced. The only thing he lacks is some common-sense. To ask himself "Is this a good idea ?" every once in awhile. And it was pretty lame the way that Drax took the cheap-shot at him while his back was turned, I do believe that the writers did the fans a great dis-service. But Thanos has come back from the dead before, and might still arise once more in the future.
So, in conclusion, they are both good characters who have generated many good stories which were genuinely good AND fun to read. So as long as they continue to serve the purposes for which they were created or evolve beyond them into such a way as to still remain true, they will continue to be good characters.
But I would be remiss in my duties if I did not obey the spirit of this forum. Thanos is a high-order villain not to be taken lightly. He has never hidden behind legions of followers and has never backed down from a challenge. He has transcended the boundaries of what his character was created to be and as such has more depth of dimension and personality than Darkseid ever will. While Thanos might NOT be as powerful as Darkseid has been portrayed, it is HOW he uses the power he does combined with one of the greatest minds in the universe that makes him far deadlier and in a category all his own. Thusly, Thanos of Titan outclasses Darkseid.
Originally posted by BlackJackal
I fail to see how this is even relevant. You're talking about 2 characters who have pretty much everything in common and are just about mirror images of one another. Who's the better character ? It all comes down to choice and personal preference. Here's how the Dog of the Desert sees it:
Darkseid is a much bigger villain in the cosmic scale of things, he's a god of darkness and as such he's more of a story device than an actual character per se. He sees himself as master of all he surveys and has the power to back up pretty much whatever he wants to do. Is he the ultimate evil ? Probably not. Can he be beaten and humbled ? Yes. And he has on more than a few occasions. He's locked into one of those mythological type stories where he is fated to die at the hands of his son Orion. His own Ragnarok you might say.
Thanos, is a creature who's motivations were out of love or obsession with the avatar of Death. He's always been more prone to action, doing things himself. Not to say that he hasn't sought out allies when the need arose, but as a character he's come into his own. He's done pretty much everything he set out to do, and as such is worthy of respect. Is he the most powerful being in the marvel universe ? Most assuredly not, but he is one of the most well-rounded and experienced. The only thing he lacks is some common-sense. To ask himself "Is this a good idea ?" every once in awhile. And it was pretty lame the way that Drax took the cheap-shot at him while his back was turned, I do believe that the writers did the fans a great dis-service. But Thanos has come back from the dead before, and might still arise once more in the future.
So, in conclusion, they are both good characters who have generated many good stories which were genuinely good AND fun to read. So as long as they continue to serve the purposes for which they were created or evolve beyond them into such a way as to still remain true, they will continue to be good characters.
👆 Very nice character analysis.
However in terms of pure personal power Darkseid is above Thanos.
Yes.
Mainly because Darkseid hasn't seen much action as of late and in the instances where he has, has been less than inspired. The ONE story where he made a great showing was before they re-boothed the Legion again in a story that made homage to the classic LSH story where Shadow Lass inadvertantly awoke Darkseid from his "tomb" and started terrorizing the galaxy once more. They awakened a fossilized Darkseid on Apokolips and summoned his younger self from the timestream only to have Young Darkseid give his future self an early retirement. This act of ruthlessness was a hallmark to just how truly viscious Darkseid CAN be. He won't even let himself stand in his way. But as this was all erased by the Infinite Crisis and the Legion Three-boot and never happened, the point is moot. Thanos has faced his own dark twin during the Infinity War and come out on top to surprise the Magus. So when it comes down to it, they are both hungry, but Thanos wants it more. You just have to stack their story-arcs next to one another. Thanos stands stories taller than Darkseid can ever hope to acheive.
Originally posted by BlackJackal
Yes.
Mainly because Darkseid hasn't seen much action as of late and in the instances where he has, has been less than inspired. The ONE story where he made a great showing was before they re-boothed the Legion again in a story that made homage to the classic LSH story where Shadow Lass inadvertantly awoke Darkseid from his "tomb" and started terrorizing the galaxy once more. They awakened a fossilized Darkseid on Apokolips and summoned his younger self from the timestream only to have Young Darkseid give his future self an early retirement. This act of ruthlessness was a hallmark to just how truly viscious Darkseid CAN be. He won't even let himself stand in his way. But as this was all erased by the Infinite Crisis and the Legion Three-boot and never happened, the point is moot. Thanos has faced his own dark twin during the Infinity War and come out on top to surprise the Magus. So when it comes down to it, they are both hungry, but Thanos wants it more. You just have to stack their story-arcs next to one another. Thanos stands stories taller than Darkseid can ever hope to acheive.
If a parapallegic kid beats up his identical twin and an olympic athlete never beats up his identical twin is the olympian less powerful?
Comparing story lines says nothing about the levels of power each posesses. On a side note it's currently possible that LoS may be back in continuity.
Seeing as how the 4th world elements took place in the mainstream universe at the time, and they were wiped out,it's difficult to see how he could remain unaffected by the huge continuity re-boots. Thats always been the trouble with DC, they don't know how to effectively clean house without erasing everything. So it's easy to say someone's a bad ass and can't prove it empirically. A one-line answer is easy. Saying Darkseid is the most powerful doesn't make it true. Give me ONE solid recent example of WHY Darkseid would beat Thanos in one-on-one fight and I will consider your posulation.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If a parapallegic kid beats up his identical twin and an olympic athlete never beats up his identical twin is the olympian less powerful?Comparing story lines says nothing about the levels of power each posesses. On a side note it's currently possible that LoS may be back in continuity.
As I stated previously having RAW power doesn't settle things. It's the application of that power. That is why Darkseid is inferior to Thanos. You might say that Darkseid will simply zap away at Thanos with his Omega-Beams. I don't belive that Thanos would allow himself to get within striing distance, he's the more seasoned fighter and tactician.If you are going for scales of comparison.
Superman has beaten Darkseid.
Silver Surfer has beaten Superman.
Thanos has beaten the Silver Surfer.
It's the mind and the will behind the power. Darkseid has no fire and passion. that's what makes for a real fight.
I've read comics for over 20 years and I have NEVER seen anything that would empirically prove beyond the Shadow of a Doubt that Darkseid is capable of besting Thanos in a confrontation. The sheer thought is delusional to the point of incredulity. You call Quanchi a fan-boy, what makes you so different in your high-praise of Darkseid ?
I mean, come on guys...use your heads here. THINK about it. I know the real world has crushed you beneath it's boot-heel, but remember what it's like to know the truth when it's staring you in the face! Don't be a 10 percenter when it comes down to weighing the evidence. Darkseid is about as powerful as the Republican Party and just about as evil too.
Originally posted by BlackJackal
As I stated previously having RAW power doesn't settle things. It's the application of that power. That is why Darkseid is inferior to Thanos. You might say that Darkseid will simply zap away at Thanos with his Omega-Beams. I don't belive that Thanos would allow himself to get within striing distance, he's the more seasoned fighter and tactician.If you are going for scales of comparison.
Superman has beaten Darkseid.
Silver Surfer has beaten Superman.
Thanos has beaten the Silver Surfer.It's the mind and the will behind the power. Darkseid has no fire and passion. that's what makes for a real fight.
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ABC logic is invalid. I can use that so say Batman could kill Galactus with one kick. SS beat supes was noncanon anyway.
There is nowhere thats outside the range on the OE even if Thanos wanted to BFR himself to another dimension.
Fire ans passion make for an interesting fight when it happens. The power to kill the other guy with a glance is what ends it.
superman beating thor was that canaon for thor i know dc recognizes this. does marvel? and didnt thor beat silver surfer with power ups and story angles not in a straight up fight. silver surfer is out of thors league and supermans imo. if u call superman crushing darkseid crap i call thor beating silver surfer crap. im pretty sure anyways that thor had warrior madness or some kind of angle when beating the silver surfer. anyways i have never seen thanos worked in a one on one battle like darkseid was worked in his battle with superman. thanos goes down to more powerful opponents like odin or tyrant and through a great showing to where it makes him look better than everyonee else in that comic that fought tyrant and odin. superman is below darkseids power level and got his ass handed to him with no power ups or story angles in thier duel for steel. face it guys darkseid has looked bad in legit stories. thanos waves down thors hammer and imprisons thor with a major powerup in the power gem. while darkseid is busy going down to superman straight up.
Originally posted by quanchi112
superman beating thor was that canaon for thor i know dc recognizes this. does marvel? and didnt thor beat silver surfer with power ups and story angles not in a straight up fight. silver surfer is out of thors league and supermans imo. if u call superman crushing darkseid crap i call thor beating silver surfer crap. im pretty sure anyways that thor had warrior madness or some kind of angle when beating the silver surfer. anyways i have never seen thanos worked in a one on one battle like darkseid was worked in his battle with superman. thanos goes down to more powerful opponents like odin or tyrant and through a great showing to where it makes him look better than everyonee else in that comic that fought tyrant and odin. superman is below darkseids power level and got his ass handed to him with no power ups or story angles in thier duel for steel. face it guys darkseid has looked bad in legit stories. thanos waves down thors hammer and imprisons thor with a major powerup in the power gem. while darkseid is busy going down to superman straight up.
The awsome part about a vs forum is we don't debate on how a character "looks" in the story or even how good the story is.
Have you ever seen Thanos use TP powerful enough to control 3 billion people? Have you ever seen Thanos teleport a planet purely under his own power? Have you ever seen Thanos turn a person into a child within second under his own power? Have you ever seen Thanos use a small fraction of his power to crush a group of TopTiers?
darkseid mind controls whoopty doo get over it. he isnt mindcontrolling thanos so quit referencing it. he isnt teleporting planets mid battle so what. in battle ive seen him run from a character in fear and his face beaten to a bloody pulp. i have seen thanos simply wave down thors hammer and beat the beyonder. he also was going toe to toe with thor and the power gem. infinite power backing him up. these all all things he did in battle. so quit referencing things darkseid could never do in battle. quit saying he crushed top tiers with a small group of his power. he isnt envisoned of being this powerful badass he once was. he loses to superman. superman isnt this top tier guy. and i bring up this superman becuz it is canon and happened ina duel a fight straight up. we are discussing a fight straight up and thats good for u and darkseid becuz with prep thanos cant lose.
Originally posted by quanchi112
darkseid mind controls whoopty doo get over it. he isnt mindcontrolling thanos so quit referencing it. he isnt teleporting planets mid battle so what. in battle ive seen him run from a character in fear and his face beaten to a bloody pulp. i have seen thanos simply wave down thors hammer and beat the beyonder. he also was going toe to toe with thor and the power gem. infinite power backing him up. these all all things he did in battle. so quit referencing things darkseid could never do in battle. quit saying he crushed top tiers with a small group of his power. he isnt envisoned of being this powerful badass he once was. he loses to superman. superman isnt this top tier guy. and i bring up this superman becuz it is canon and happened ina duel a fight straight up. we are discussing a fight straight up and thats good for u and darkseid becuz with prep thanos cant lose.
Thanos got killed by a rip of Kratos.