Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I know it doesn't, you are throwing one though. Comparing what I said to how you've reacted, yes.
Accusing someone of throwing a temper tantrum and then responding in kind? Who's the hypocrit?
[/B][/QUOTE]I never said it again. I said you somehow remind me that you are gay with every post, I didn't say that you SAY it, I said that SOMEHOW you remind me, which you do. Why is that negative? I don't dislike the fact that you are gay, you know I have nothing against it. I made a humerous gay remark, you said "You don't have to remind everyone.", and I merely said that you remind more than I do.[/B][/QUOTE]
You're acting like I mention it every time I speak. As though I go into a thread about table crackers or the decline of the dollar, and blurt out "I'M GAY!" and then run off. Do I care if you know a gay man had an opinion on the dollar? No. But it's not like I can put that particular jeanie back in it's bottle.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So was your assumption that it was a ski mask, that I dressed up, that I...etc and all the other things you got wrong.
Sorry it was a scarf and not a ski mask. Apparently, I don't pay a lot of attention to your pictures or Tool.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He doesn't sing with a scarf wrapped around his head. He took one picture where his face was similarly obscured, I liked it, I had the means to recreate it, I just decided to. Why is this ANY concern of yours?
I couldn't give a shit what pictures you post. You said I can't post on this forum without discussing my sexuality or Elton John. Well, I'm not the one who takes pictures of myself based on pictures of my favorite musical artist. Yes, my name is the title track to an Elton John album. Sorry that Elton John is gay and I am and you think of that when you see me post. But that doesn't mean that's all I talk about. It means that's all you hear when I say something.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I wouldn't say you're trying to, I'd say that you are. Whether you're trying to or not. If I forgot you were gay, and you posted that, I'd be reminded.
So, you've gone from "I can't post without mentioning I'm gay" to "when you post, I'm reminded you're gay"?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why is this even relevant?
Because you brought it up. I never said it was relevant.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You came into the music forum claiming things that weren't true. Both me and another member factually proved you incorrect. You were never seen in the music forum again.
How often was I seen in the music forum before our argument?
I came into a specific thread about Elton John and said he was my favorite musical artist. Actually, I believe I said "Elton John is a god". For some reason, you felt that my opinion was ill informed. And then you decided to tell me that Elton John was not a god. Instead, Tool and Maynard are gods.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Mike Patton says explicitly that he's influenced by Elton John.", "He does? I've read every interview he's ever done, he's never said that. Can you show me?". You posted loads of links, none that I hadn't seen, and soon backed down because you spoke about shit you had no idea of. You go on about Elton John, acting like because you know a lot about him, it overrides the fact that you know shit all about most other people I've ever discussed with you, that's not the case, buddy. Then you have the hypocritical nerve to imply I have attraction to the man.
Only you would spend the first half of a paragraph saying you're the biggest fan of someone and that you've read every article or link about him, that you'd seen them all, etc and then follow it with an accusation about me thinking Elton John is the best because I know a lot about him.
I posted several links, none of which you must have read, because the man said that a little known fact about him was that he'd grown up listening to Elton John. This was done because you repeatedly said that my opinion that Elton John was a god was shit. Well, the guy you were backing said he was a fan of Elton john.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then you have the hypocritical nerve to imply I have attraction to the man.
What the hell are you on about with this one?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I didn't say that. I said that when you post you SOMEHOW remind me that you are gay, regardless of whether or not you say it. I ADDITIONALLY pointed out that whenever you discuss music, you ALWAYS (and often ONLY) mention Elton John, which also serves to remind me that you are gay. I didn't say you like him because you are gay, or that you always bring up your sexuality.
ALWAYS and OFTEN ONLY, in a forum that I rarely go into?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Secondly, I didn't dress up as him. You're clutching for a point, any point, to cover up the fact that this tireless display of idiocy is based on YOU twisting what I've said.
"I saw a picture of him that I liked, I recreated it because I could." Not too much twisting need be done.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I do now. In fact, how would you feel if I told you you did, just like you tell me I always think I'm right?
If me telling you that you think you're always right is "tired" then it must not be the first time someone has said it to you.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Perhaps blame me for the holocaust?-AC
Who's being a drama queen now?
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Accusing someone of throwing a temper tantrum and then responding in kind? Who's the hypocrit?
I responded. I'm not throwing a tantrum because I've got no reason to be mad or angry, and technically you have no reason to be agitated. This could have been solved by you asking what I meant.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You're acting like I mention it every time I speak. As though I go into a thread about table crackers or the decline of the dollar, and blurt out "I'M GAY!" and then run off. Do I care if you know a gay man had an opinion on the dollar? No. But it's not like I can put that particular jeanie back in it's bottle.
I'm not acting that way, I know for a fact I am not because that's not my intention nor is it my belief. It's you CHOOSING to believe that's what I mean. For crying out loud, I told you that I know you don't do that, I told you that your posts remind me that you are gay. I didn't say you run around screaming it, I don't believe anything of the sort.
Have the good grace to admit you were wrong, you coward.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Sorry it was a scarf and not a ski mask. Apparently, I don't pay a lot of attention to your pictures or Tool.
Stuck in your memory enough to bring it up more than a year later, and not even with relevance.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I couldn't give a shit what pictures you post. You said I can't post on this forum without discussing my sexuality or Elton John. Well, I'm not the one who takes pictures of myself based on pictures of my favorite musical artist. Yes, my name is the title track to an Elton John album. Sorry that Elton John is gay and I am and you think of that when you see me post. But that doesn't mean that's all I talk about. It means that's all you hear when I say something.
I didn't say that, you moron. I said you can't post without REMINDING ME...IN SOME WAY, that you are homosexual. I did not say you always speak about Elton John in general, I did not say you explicitly say you are gay all the time. I merely said two things;
1) Your posts remind me that you are gay. It was you who failed to ask why, and made an incorrect assumption which you continue to hold, despite me saying that's not the case.
and 2) Whenever we've discussed music, regardless of how much, you have ALWAYS brought up Elton John. I neither said nor implied that you liked him because you were gay, nor that you always bring him up in general. Stop being an idiot.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
So, you've gone from "I can't post without mentioning I'm gay" to "when you post, I'm reminded you're gay"?
Allow me to smash you out of the thread, you ignorant fool
First reply to you, and then subsequent replies:
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Must everything you say carry a homo-erotic overtone?Of course I joke.
-AC
I said, JOKINGLY (As stated in the goddamn post itself), that everything you say carries an OVERTONE.
A) It was a joke, B) I still didn't explicitly say you go around telling people you are gay, why would I? I know you don't do that.
Let's not end the massacre there:
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Saying "I'm gay so you don't have to say it.", as one way or another, you can't seem to post without somehow reminding us that you are homosexual. If we discuss music; you bring up Elton John, if we discuss discrimination; homosexuality. Even your avatar is one of the world's most famous gay actors..
I clearly state: "One way or another, you can't seem to post without somehow REMINDING us that you are homosexual.", then go on to additionally, but without connection, say "If we discuss music; you bring up Elton John.", you do so. "If we discuss discrimination; homosexuality.", you do so. "Even your avatar is one of the world's most famous gay actors.", it is.
Never did I say you like anybody because you're gay, never did I say you go around explicitly saying it. I went into all of those details so that you would know why you REMIND me that you are gay with every post, but you just knee-jerked like a mug. Your mind read the words "You", "Gay", "Posts", and connected with all grace and poise of an epileptic in a disco.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because you brought it up. I never said it was relevant.
I didn't bring up my picture.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How often was I seen in the music forum [b]before our argument?[/b]
Never. How often after? Never.
What did you discuss while there? Elton John.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I came into a specific thread about Elton John and said he was my favorite musical artist. Actually, I believe I said "Elton John is a god". For some reason, you felt that my opinion was ill informed. And then you decided to tell me that Elton John was not a god. Instead, Tool and Maynard are gods.
I don't believe any musician is a god. I merely said they were better, which you obviously interpreted as me calling them gods, since I labelled them as better than someone you thought was a god.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Only you would spend the first half of a paragraph saying you're the biggest fan of someone and that you've read every article or link about him, that you'd seen them all, etc and then follow it with an accusation about me thinking Elton John is the best because I know a lot about him.
The difference is, I have knowledge of Elton John, I have knowledge of the people I discuss. You have one side to the debate; Elton John.
You don't know about Tool, Mike Patton, Frank Zappa. You know about Elton John. Because you don't know about the rest, because they aren't as famously decorated, you assume they are lesser than he is.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I posted several links, none of which you must have read, because the man said that a little known fact about him was that he'd grown up listening to Elton John. This was done because you repeatedly said that my opinion that Elton John was a god was shit. Well, the guy you were backing said he was a fan of Elton john.
I know he's a fan of Elton John, I like Elton John myself.
What you explicitly claimed, and couldn't prove, was that Mike Patton stated he was INFLUENCED in his music by Elton. Not that he was a fan. You were wrong, we proved it, you left.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What the hell are you on about with this one?
You implied, in a rather sarky way, that I "love" Mike Patton. What you meant was quite clear, though I expect you to deny it.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
ALWAYS and OFTEN ONLY, in a forum that I rarely go into?
It doesn't matter. My original point was; Whenever we discuss music, you bring up Elton John, and regardless of why you like him, this reminds me you are a gay man.
Keep up.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not too much twisting need be done.
Then shut up and stop raising points that have no connection...to anything at all. YOU brought up dressing as musicians, it has no place here.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If me telling you that you think you're always right is "tired" then it must not be the first time someone has said it to you.
Yeeeeees, and I then said it's not, but I don't think that, so it's ignorant to keep telling me that I do, when I have told you I don't.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Who's being a drama queen now?
You, still.
Now take you and your nickel-worth debate and tantrum, leave this thread, and don't come back to me unless you have something correct, relevant, and void of bs to say, because this whole debate arose because you couldn't see past the fact that I referred to your sexuality, and ask what I meant by it.
Yet, you're not insecure...oh no, no.
-AC
Even you have had the balls to PM me and admit when you are wrong, though, RJ.
The man clearly is choosing to see things in my posts and won't just accept he f*cked up. Not my problem, anyone reading my posts can see that I didn't mean, nor do, what he said.
I've actually seen people verbally, or I guess textually, abuse him for his sexuality on this site. He brushes it off as immature. I make a remark that isn't meant with ANY harm, what does he do? Goes out of his way to make me look like I'm persecuting him. It's all very odd.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Even you have had the balls to PM me and admit when you are wrong, though, RJ.The man clearly is choosing to see things in my posts and won't just accept he f*cked up. Not my problem, anyone reading my posts can see that I didn't mean, nor do, what he said.
I've actually seen people verbally, or I guess textually, abuse him for his sexuality on this site. He brushes it off as immature. I make a remark that isn't meant with ANY harm, what does he do? Goes out of his way to make me look like I'm persecuting him. It's all very odd.
-AC
now do my dishes, *****. 😂
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I didn't mean regarding the debate.I mean talking smack about me on a completely unrelated website, completely unprovoked.
-AC
BTW: you suck. 😄
Re: Is it even worth getting married anymore?
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
With more people, in the U.S., getting divorced more than people getting and staying marriage now, is it even worth getting married anymore? My opinion, basically, is don't get married in the first place. In this day and age, I say it's not worth it.Maybe it was back then. But now. Nah...
Originally posted by Robtard
Since Mike Patton came up... a past friend of mine saw Mike Patton drink his own piss out of someone else's sneaker [shoe] on stage; happened around 1991-2 if I recall correctly.
Yes, he's known for his on stage antics with that particular band, and once with another.
It's not a recurring thing. It certainly doesn't happen anymore.
-AC
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I bet you're waiting to get the right stink on your tip.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Must everything you say carry a homo-erotic overtone?Of course I joke.
-AC
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Don't speak to me like I'm Lord Urizen. I didn't say the "right"
stink was the stink of a man. I just said you're waiting for the right stink. Then you'll fall in line like the rest of civilized humanity.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You sure fell in line and conformed, didn't you? Grow up, settle down, get married to a woman, have kids.Oh wait...aren't you homosexual? Nothing screams conformity like putting it in the tradesman's entrance.
-AC
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I'd have given that post an A+, until I got to the part about me being gay and the tradesman's enterance. We in america just call them peasants, and everyone on here knows I'm gay so you don't have to point it out.So, you get, at the most, a B-
In fact, you get the most points subtracted because you're acting like you didn't understand my joke.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
And you get points subtracted for A) Subtracting points based on personal dislike of a post.and B) Saying "I'm gay so you don't have to say it.", as one way or another, you can't seem to post without somehow reminding us that you are homosexual. If we discuss music; you bring up Elton John, if we discuss discrimination; homosexuality. Even your avatar is one of the world's most famous gay actors.
I'm doing no more promoting than you are.
Either way, marriage eh? It's a laugh.
-AC
Out of all those posts, who talks about Elton John first? Who talks about homosexuality first?
It was all joking up to a point. As for the rest of the conversation. I have nothing to admit to being wrong about, so I'm not sure how you repeating yourself ad nauseum is going to change that. Nor will you calling me a coward irritate me enough to be wrong.
I'm sure you think that our argument on the music forums is enough to hold a grudge over. But it isn't. In fact, it was only useful in illuminating the kind of forum member you are. You insult, just as you have here, with the idiot and the coward and the baby without his rattle and the homosexual temper tentrum, etc. When you get backed into a corner, you start insulting people who have a different opinion. In this case, you resent my opinion of you. That's fine. You can get nasty all you want. But that only serves to solidify what I'm saying to you. When people disagree with you they're idiots, cowards and babies. When you state your opinion, it can't be questioned. It can't be disproven. You're right and the whole world is wrong.
You want to bring up an argument we got into years ago, why? I'm not basing my opinion that you're full of piss and vinegar on our argument. I'm basing it on what I see you say and do on these forums, how you interact with anyone who has a different opinion than you do.
You make an accusation like I can't open my mouth on these forums without talking about being gay or Elton John or Ian McKellen is in my avatar because I'm gay, and then you turn around and say you're only joking. As if you joking means you aren't wrong.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Out of all those posts, who talks about Elton John first? Who talks about homosexuality first?
So now it's "You started it!"? Get a grip. It shouldn't matter who did what first, what matters is why. I told you why, you ignored it and decided for yourself.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
It was all joking up to a point. As for the rest of the conversation. I have nothing to admit to being wrong about, so I'm not sure how you repeating yourself ad nauseum is going to change that. Nor will you calling me a coward irritate me enough to be wrong.
No, I was always joking, except for the part about your posts reminding me you are gay, which despite not being a joke, isn't a diss either. You chose to misinterpret rather than clarify, which is why we're here.
You're wrong, and that's a fact. Why is it a fact? Because you are telling me what I said, what I meant, and neither are correct, because I am attempting to clarify just what it was I meant, despite it being obvious. I've done so, you've ignored it.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I'm sure you think that our argument on the music forums is enough to hold a grudge over. But it isn't. In fact, it was only useful in illuminating the kind of forum member you are. You insult, just as you have here, with the idiot and the coward and the baby without his rattle and the homosexual temper tentrum, etc. When you get backed into a corner, you start insulting people who have a different opinion. In this case, you resent my opinion of you. That's fine. You can get nasty all you want. But that only serves to solidify what I'm saying to you. When people disagree with you their idiots, cowards and babies. When you state your opinion, it can't be questioned. It can't be disproven. You're right and the whole world is wrong.
Homosexual temper tantrum? I say you're throwing a temper tantrum and it's automatically a homosexual one? Why is that? I made a reference, jokingly, to Elton John doing the same thing. I never said your tantrums are "homosexual". What are you on about?
I don't resent your opinion of me, I resent you telling me that your opinion of me is fact. "You think...", no...you think I do, you choose to believe I do in the face of me saying I do not. I don't care what opinion you hold.
I have reduced you to nothing more than whining out reasons for you not liking what kind of forum member I am. You tried to pin things on me, I disproved them, you're now trying to turn this into "You are this way, I know you are because I believe you are." in an act of sheer desperation.
Don't sit there and tell me what I think I am. If you think I think I am always right and everyone else is wrong, then that's up to you. Stupid, since I am telling you I do not, but up to you. Just don't put it across as fact, because I'm telling you that's not the case.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You want to bring up an argument we got into years ago, why? I'm not basing my opinion that you're full of piss and vinegar on our argument. I'm basing it on what I see you say and do on these forums, how you interact with anyone who has a different opinion than you do.
Funny, because I based my original "You remind me that you are gay.", on your posts, and you seemed to find that fitting to throw a wobbly over.
Don't talk to me of bringing up past, please. At least mine was to do with an interaction with you and me, what purpose did it serve to bring up a picture I posted and dressing as musicians?
I'm bringing it up because ONE of my reasons for saying your posts remind me that you are gay, was our interaction concerning music. Has there been much? NO. Has there been any? Yes, coincidentally a while ago. That doesn't mean it's irrelevant, it was tied to my claim that you have always brought up Elton whenever you and I have discussed music, which is a stone cold fact.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You make an accusation like I can't open my mouth on these forums without talking about being gay or Elton John or Ian McKellen is in my avatar because I'm gay, and then you turn around and say you're only joking. As if you joking means you aren't wrong.
Here's the deal:
I didn't accuse you of doing that. I simply said your posts remind me that you are gay. Rather than say "Why is that?", you decided to assume things, wrong things, things I have since countered and refuted.
I'm not saying I'm joking when I said your posts remind me, I said I was joking in the first comment. Your posts DO remind me that you are gay, and I gave you examples as to why. One was you bringing up Elton John WHEN WE DISCUSS MUSIC, two was you having a known gay actor in your avatar.
Never did I say you have him there because you are gay, you came to that conclusion on your own.
Do you wish to continue this embarassing display? Because it's getting ridiculous.
Like I said, KidRock has relentlessly thrown anti-homosexual remarks and insults at you. He didn't get half the shit I'm getting. Instead, I get purposeful misinterpretation and false accusations in spite of clarification and fact.
He pays attention to your sexuality, in a negative way, and gets brushed off. I simply NOTICE it, indifferently, and get this bs, then you're going to tell me you have no persecution complex? Smellabitofbsthere.
Go away now, before you embarass yourself further, Capt.
-AC
Re: Re: Re: Re: Is it even worth getting married anymore?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
POV, AC.
Point of view that money isn't marriage, time isn't marriage and effort isn't marriage?
No. Money is money, time is time, effort is effort. None are marriage.
If what you mean is it's subjective that those things are necessary FOR marriage, no, not really. They're necessary always (with the exception of money) for a successful relationship in general. Nothing to do with marriage.
-AC