Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Must everything you say carry a homo-erotic overtone?Of course I joke.
-AC
Don't speak to me like I'm Lord Urizen. I didn't say the "right"
stink was the stink of a man. I just said you're waiting for the right stink. Then you'll fall in line like the rest of civilized humanity.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
First of all, you used that word. Don't tell me I "could" be right. I am right, I'm talking about me. I know me better than you do. The difference between you and I is clear; You said you'd never get married and clearly there was room for persuasion. With me, there is none. I know that for a fact. You are saying it's not a fact because you chose to write a bigger cheque than your conscience could cash.For me? No kids, no marriage. I recognise that as a result of my beliefs and females largely wanting/or being conditioned to want both of those, it will be difficult to maintain a relationship in the long run, but I'm not someone who feels they have to "settle down". If it happens, great, if not, so what? I'm not so fearful of "being alone" as many men or women are. That's where compromises come in. People change because they're afraid of what it'll mean if they do not. The idea of "dying a lonely man" isn't something that will force me into marriage. I'd rather die lonely than unhappy, knowing I compromised a choice in life that I didn't want to make, to be with someone who didn't love me enough to skip legality. Besides, being alone doesn't necessarily mean being lonely. We're not in relationships 24/7 for all our lives, many people IN relationships feel "alone".
So no. I recognise you're in some epic battle here, but my word is my word. As shocking as it may seem, that's how it is. If you're going to reply, do so relevantly, don't tell me what I will and won't do.
-AC
i've seen more people marry out of financial gain then love, and you get to see the true form of love when the divorce (marital property issues) comes into play...i am sorry for sounding so negative, but based on my experience, people marry for financial reason, and to brag to their friends that they are "wanted" and usually, if they do that, they are more material and marry for financial benefits....a lot of women use to have kids for financial benefits, getting pregno by a responsible guy means a lot to some women, certainly not all, but SOME, and will tie a guy down with a baby...and some men do the same thing to women...so, a lot of dating and sex has to do with CONTROL and a lot of marriages have to do with MONEY (SECURITY)...what about love? i haven't seen too much love in this world, i've seen arranged marriages, people forced into marriage to save face, i've DISCOVERED both male and females playing another for financial reasons...but love? again, even when i go grocery shopping for organic foods, which is a self love type of shopping, in which you either care a lot about your health or the environment, i rarely run into LOVING people, and the prices are expensive...i know i am ranting, but the point is, there isn't much love in the world, so to expect it in marriage is a bit much. if you find love, you found something. what i am trying to state is this, a person who is married isn't necessarily a person who loves their partner, they may love MONEY, PLEASING THEIR PARENTS, PLEASING SOCIETY/CHURCH, and a person may not be married and has much love for another person, i don't look at a wedding band and think "love", and if i see a female with huge diamonds, i don't believe the guy loves her a lot, i believe she knows how to swindle a person out of money, love is not in diamonds or gold, sorry if advertisers make some swindling women believe that if they wear jewelry, they will display to the world that they are important, when really, if the guy isn't making 6 figures, and she has a fat diamond(s) on her finger(s), in my eyes, she/they look like swindlers.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Don't speak to me like I'm Lord Urizen. I didn't say the "right"
stink was the stink of a man. I just said you're waiting for the right stink. Then you'll fall in line like the rest of civilized humanity.
You sure fell in line and conformed, didn't you? Grow up, settle down, get married to a woman, have kids.
Oh wait...aren't you homosexual? Nothing screams conformity like putting it in the tradesman's entrance.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
well, i am not in an epic battle, i was just curious as to what was going on in your head regarding the subject at hand, but you pretty much answered all of my questions with your last post. if this is how you truly feel, then by all means, stick with it.
i do, however, believe that something has happened to you in the past that has biased you. what happened? i dont know, i dont know you well enough, nor do i care to. its just a hunch i have. you are not debating this, you are, as Robtard, said, laying down the law. you are telling us how it is, not how you think it is. you are crossing the line between stating your personal opinions and saying that your word is infallible.
Why are you so insecure in accepting that I just believe what I believe? Why do you have such a silly sense of "There MUST be another reason."? No, there's not. Just deal with it and move on. Not sure what the problem is there. You're just so shell-shocked that yes, I believe what I do. No, there's no negative historical reason.
I'm telling you how it is, yes. Nobody has given me logical reason outside of monetary gain, for marriage. People have said that it's ok to marry out of love, that it DOES happen. I never disagreed, I said it doesn't make it logical. Nobody has proven me wrong yet.
You CHOOSING to do something doesn't make it logical. A choice is not logical just because it is a choice.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You sure fell in line and conformed, didn't you? Grow up, settle down, get married to a woman, have kids.Oh wait...aren't you homosexual? Nothing screams conformity like putting it in the tradesman's entrance.
-AC
I'd have given that post an A+, until I got to the part about me being gay and the tradesman's enterance. We in america just call them peasants, and everyone on here knows I'm gay so you don't have to point it out.
So, you get, at the most, a B-
In fact, you get the most points subtracted because you're acting like you didn't understand my joke.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I'd have given that post an A+, until I got to the part about me being gay and the tradesman's enterance. We in america just call them peasants, and everyone on here knows I'm gay so you don't have to point it out.So, you get, at the most, a B-
In fact, you get the most points subtracted because you're acting like you didn't understand my joke.
And you get points subtracted for A) Subtracting points based on personal dislike of a post.
and B) Saying "I'm gay so you don't have to say it.", as one way or another, you can't seem to post without somehow reminding us that you are homosexual. If we discuss music; you bring up Elton John, if we discuss discrimination; homosexuality. Even your avatar is one of the world's most famous gay actors.
I'm doing no more promoting than you are.
Either way, marriage eh? It's a laugh.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you so insecure in accepting that I just believe what I believe? Why do you have such a silly sense of "There MUST be another reason."? No, there's not. Just deal with it and move on. Not sure what the problem is there. You're just so shell-shocked that yes, I believe what I do. No, there's no negative historical reason.I'm telling you how it is, yes. Nobody has given me logical reason outside of monetary gain, for marriage. People have said that it's ok to marry out of love, that it DOES happen. I never disagreed, I said it doesn't make it logical. Nobody has proven me wrong yet.
You CHOOSING to do something doesn't make it logical. A choice is not logical just because it is a choice.
-AC
you just said it. no one has given YOU a logical reason to believe marriage can be for more than monetary reasons. your previous posts seem as if you were stating fact, thats why i was debating. just because no one has proven you wrong doesnt mean that you are not wrong. just like no one proving me wrong yet doesnt mean i am not wrong. for all you and i know, we are so full of it it is coming out of our ears. niow that i am convinced that it is your own beliefs, that you are not biased, i se no more room for debating this.
if making a choice in a given situation makes you happy, then it is entirely logical.
and you cant really tell me that you will never change your mind. for all you know, 5 years from now you could be a communist cross dresser. things happen, perspectives change, we evolve. thats the way it is.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
you just said it. no one has given YOU a logical reason to believe marriage can be for more than monetary reasons. your previous posts seem as if you were stating fact, thats why i was debating. just because no one has proven you wrong doesnt mean that you are not wrong. just like no one proving me wrong yet doesnt mean i am not wrong. for all you and i know, we are so full of it it is coming out of our ears. niow that i am convinced that it is your own beliefs, that you are not biased, i se no more room for debating this.
No, you don't get it, you really don't understand.
No matter WHAT anybody's beliefs are, there are no LOGICAL reasons besides monetary purposes, for marriage. Hence why nobody has given me any. Marrying out of love is not logical. It's fine, but it's not logical. It's not logical because it's not necessary, nothing is added, it's not needed, it was an invented idea and concept. Love pre-dates it.
That's why it's illogical. It's not wrong, it's just illogical. The logic side isn't subjective, everything else is. I'm not saying marriage is wrong, I'm saying it's illogical and WANTING it, for any reason, doesn't change that.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
if making a choice in a given situation makes you happy, then it is entirely logical.
Of course it's not. What the hell are you on about?
log·ic
1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.
2. a particular method of reasoning or argumentation: We were unable to follow his logic.
3. the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch of knowledge or study.
4. reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions: There wasn't much logic in her move.
Reason or sound judgement. Outside of monetary gain, there is no sound judgement or reason for entering the legally binding agreement that is marriage. SOUND judgement or reason, not NO reason. If your reason for marriage is "We just love each other.", that's fine, but it's not a sound judgement, it's not logical.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
and you cant really tell me that you will never change your mind. for all you know, 5 years from now you could be a communist cross dresser. things happen, perspectives change, we evolve. thats the way it is.
I can. I can tell you I will never change my mind, why is this such a hard concept for you to grasp? We're discussing me and I'm telling you that I won't. End of debate. I will never change my mind, fact.
You honestly have no room to disagree. What I say, regarding me, is how it is. Please stop the relentless pursuit of "Well you might...". No, it won't happen. Me changing in time doesn't mean my position on this will, it won't.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Must everything you say carry a homo-erotic overtone?Of course I joke.
-AC
You're the one saying them, don't blame others for realizing the truth contained in all of your posts.
Now get back under my desk.
And no, it's not worth getting married, some tax cuts and stuff, but then if it doesn't work out, which it probably won't, you have to give your spouce half of your shit. Assuming your a guy.
I guess women have a reason to get married, easy money for them.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, you don't get it, you really don't understand.No matter WHAT anybody's beliefs are, there are no LOGICAL reasons besides monetary purposes, for marriage. Hence why nobody has given me any. Marrying out of love is not logical. It's fine, but it's not logical. It's not logical because it's not necessary, nothing is added, it's not needed, it was an invented idea and concept. Love pre-dates it.
That's why it's illogical. It's not wrong, it's just illogical. The logic side isn't subjective, everything else is. I'm not saying marriage is wrong, I'm saying it's illogical and WANTING it, for any reason, doesn't change that.
Of course it's not. What the hell are you on about?
[b]log·ic
1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.
2. a particular method of reasoning or argumentation: We were unable to follow his logic.
3. the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch of knowledge or study.
4. reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions: There wasn't much logic in her move.Reason or sound judgement. Outside of monetary gain, there is no sound judgement or reason for entering the legally binding agreement that is marriage. SOUND judgement or reason, not NO reason. If your reason for marriage is "We just love each other.", that's fine, but it's not a sound judgement, it's not logical.
I can. I can tell you I will never change my mind, why is this such a hard concept for you to grasp? We're discussing me and I'm telling you that I won't. End of debate. I will never change my mind, fact.
You honestly have no room to disagree. What I say, regarding me, is how it is. Please stop the relentless pursuit of "Well you might...". No, it won't happen. Me changing in time doesn't mean my position on this will, it won't.
-AC [/B]
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
And you get points subtracted for A) Subtracting points based on personal dislike of a post.and B) Saying "I'm gay so you don't have to say it.", as one way or another, you can't seem to post without somehow reminding us that you are homosexual. If we discuss music; you bring up Elton John, if we discuss discrimination; homosexuality. Even your avatar is one of the world's most famous gay actors.
I'm doing no more promoting than you are.
Either way, marriage eh? It's a laugh.
-AC
You get points subtracted because you're pretending you have a rating system at all.
D-
As in "You loose". Not in the future President material kind of way.
Originally posted by BackFire
You're the one saying them, don't blame others for realizing the truth contained in all of your posts.Now get back under my desk.
And no, it's not worth getting married, some tax cuts and stuff, but then if it doesn't work out, which it probably won't, you have to give your spouce half of your shit. Assuming your a guy.
I guess women have a reason to get married, easy money for them.
What if you're a ***? Or a broomstick?, or a decorative set of pots and pans? Long story short, the guy is the one who ends up getting ****ed! So why act like it's all "against the norm"? Men have been getting ****ed for centuries! Long live F@GGOTS! And everyone who pretends to fight for them! ("THEM" is a trademark of 'DiversityINC" Any use of "THEM" is strictly prohibited under international and recently-restricted domestic trademarks.)
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so just because you believe its illogical its illogical? we are all supposed to believe that marriage is illogical lest its for monetary reasons?
Not because I believe it is, because it is, as I've given many examples to. Why are you having trouble with this? Stop focusing on me, focus on what I'm saying and why.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
if two people are getting married for love, its illogical? who's to say this? you are saying this again as if it is fact, written in stone. if your mate was to wed, and he told you it was logical, would you argue with him about this?
I'll say it again so even you can understand it, RJ.
If two people get married for love, it's not wrong, there's nothing wrong with it, but it IS illogical because there is no justifiable or ultimately necessary reason for doing so. Choosing to do it out of love does not make that a logical choice.
It is fact, that's just how it is. If anybody told me it was logical to get married for any other reason than monetary gain, I'd say it was illogical. It simply is. Nobody is saying it's wrong to get married for love, it's just illogical. There is factually no good explanation, is there? "We wanted to.", "We're in love.", yes? So what? You don't NEED to get married, there's nothing causing you to, nothing forcing you to, you're not gaining anything emotionally, you just choose to.
If you STILL don't get this, then don't try debating the point. Let someone else do it. Don't sit there saying I'm wrong when you really don't grasp the general point anyway.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
you know, i could easily counter with "it's illogical not to marry the one you love." but i wont. either you want to marry or you dont. the only logical decision is the one that seems right to you and your partner. if you both agree and you both want it, its logical. its the decision that is best for you. if you dont want to marry, and neither does she, then its logical not to marry.
You couldn't counter with that, because then I could say "Nothing is gained by marriage, nothing at all. No matter how bad you want to marry, you gain nothing.". It's not void of logic NOT to marry. I suggest you start grabbing a dictionary and looking up some of these words.
So once again; Marriage is a choice, but that doesn't make it logical. If you're getting married for any reason other than legal benefit, it's pointless. If you disagree, give me a point, give me a reason, and no, not "They love each other.". That's a choice void of sound reasoning or necessity.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
theres no way of knowing how you will feel tomorrow, next year, 5 or 10 years from now. for all you know you might have a change of heart about everything you hold near and dear to you. can you honestly tell me that there is ZERO chance of you changing your mind on this? think about it before you answer. unless you can see the future, then the answer is no.
Why are you being an idiot? The answer is yes. We are discussing me, so my word is final. The answer is yes, I know it won't ever happen. That's just the way it is.
Stop being ignorant just because you need something to cling onto in this debate. Accept the truth, because that is what it is, truth. Nothing will change that alters my point of view on this. Marriage will never be different to be, so therefore I will never do it. This is a fact, you cannot deny it. To do so is ignorant. You don't get to decide whether I'm right or wrong here, RJ, I do. Accept this and move on. Get a different point, a better one. Leave this one out of the debate because I'm tired of you being dumb about it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
how do you explain couples that have been happily married for 30 and 40 years? is it wrong that they are so happy? why do you think they are so happy? because they are married. they made the choice together, it was the LOGICAL choice. if you make a choice that is right for you and your partner, and it results in mutual happiness, how can it be anything but logical? you can quote all the dictionaries you want, we all know the DEFINITION of the word. but definition and MEANING could differ.
No, it wasn't logical just because they WANTED to. That does not make it logical. You need to go and read what the definition says.
I've told you many, many times that no, it's not wrong that they are happy, what the hell is your problem? Why do you keep ignoring my points? It being what's right for them does not make it LOGICAL. Smoking cigarettes might be "right" for you, but it does not make it logical to inhale tar and chemicals that poison your lungs. I'm honestly tired of you asking me how things can't be logical when I have used dictionary definition and multiple examples to show you how.
I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying it's illogical, and no, definition and meaning, in this case, simply do not differ. You are misusing the word. Maybe this is why you were better suited to the OTF.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
i have all the room in the world to disagree. i accept the fact that you dont believe in it, just as you should accept the fact that i do. you dont have to agree with me, nor do i with you. for you to say "my position on this will never change" is crazy. you dont know what the future holds for you, what your beliefs will be in 5 or 10 years.
No, you don't have any room to disagree regarding me and my beliefs OF MYSELF. What I say about me and my beliefs is fact. I say I will never get married, that's a fact. You have no room to disagree, and doing so just makes you ignorant to fact. Your inability to hold your beliefs has caused you to believe everyone else is as weak, that's not the case, deal with it.
Think I'm crazy all you want, but don't sit there disagreeing, it's not your right to disagree with me about my own personal choices.
"I'm not going to do this, I know I won't.", "No, I think you will.", "No, I won't, simple as that.", "I disagree.".
It's dumb. You don't know me better than I do, and I'm telling you you're wrong. If you told me something about your beloved FJ that you knew for sure, FOR SURE as a fact, and I kept saying "Hmm, I disagree.". It'd annoy you because you'd know that what you said was 100% true and unwavering. Hence my position, what I say is true, it always will be.
From now on, if you still stupidly disagree, do so in your mind, not in this debate. It's pointless for me to keep telling you how factually wrong you are. Keep it to marriage in general.
-AC