Is it even worth getting married anymore?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
RJ, have the good grace and dignity to not turn this into a debate about not liking my attitude, not again. We've been there and done that a few too many times haven't we?

I'm not going to sit here AGAIN and correct your misintepretations of me. PM me if you want to moan, I know you've been aching to.

-AC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
😂 where do you get this from? no, i dont like your attitude, but i never questioned you attitude. i only questioned your line of thought. you really need to get over yourself. i am not moaning, i am just amazed that someone can be so delusional as to think that they are flawless, that they are always correct. i also have no intention of pm'ing you, and there are no aches to do so. once again, get over yourself. for you to post that last line is just childish. 😂

I don't think I'm flawless, nor always right. In many cases, I am, because I don't debate unless I can A) Back myself up or B) I'm right and can prove it.

I've been in this position with you so many times, and each time it's you throwing a tantrum and saying "YOU THINK YOU'RE GREAT! YOU THINK YOU'RE ALWAYS RIGHT!". Grow up, drop it, move on. If you wanna talk about my attitude. PM me. Any replies henceforth that aren't 100% to do with this topic, sensible replies, will get replied to via PM.

There are people here who wish to debate.

-AC

Can't be bothered reading the past few pages. Seems like it's running in circles.

From what I gather, several people are saying love is a logical reason to marry, while AC is saying that while love is subjectively a reason for marriage, that does not make it objectively sound reasoning (i.e. logical justification) for marriage. Which I can somewhat agree with.

Marriage is an outdated and failing institution. Objectively it adds nothing more to a relationship than legal/monetary contractual obligations and benefits. Love can be a justification for choosing to marry but it can't really be described as a logical decision.

Question for AC: If love to you isn't a logical reason to marry, what reasons do you consider would be logical for marriage?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Marriage is an outdated and failing institution.

How is marriage outdated?

Originally posted by DarkC
Question for AC: If love to you isn't a logical reason to marry, what reasons do you consider would be logical for marriage?

"The monetary benefits"

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
How is marriage outdated?

I was more concerned about the institution failing, people fail, institutions just "are."

"How is marriage outdated?". Good one.

Originally posted by DarkC
Question for AC: If love to you isn't a logical reason to marry, what reasons do you consider would be logical for marriage?

Not just to me, it isn't a logical reason at all. Not sure why everyone is having trouble there.

Personally? I'm not getting married, but from an objective point of view, the monetary benefits are quite factually the only logical reason for marriage.

-AC

So.

When was it worth getting married?

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
So.

When was it worth getting married?

Back when everyone lived in houses surrounded by white picket fences, and divorce wasn't happening. And when women stayed at home and cooked shit and pleased their husband.

Originally posted by BackFire
Back when everyone lived in houses surrounded by white picket fences, and divorce wasn't happening. And when women stayed at home and cooked shit and pleased their husband.

Ah, the good ol' fifties.....

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Ah, the good ol' fifties.....

And there's your answer to when marriage became outdated.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
And there's your answer to when marriage became outdated.

My question was how.

And besides, thats completely relative and I want to know what xmarksthespots answer is.

Originally posted by BackFire
Back when everyone lived in houses surrounded by white picket fences, and divorce wasn't happening. And when women stayed at home and cooked shit and pleased their husband.

True.

I personally don't think marriage is worth anything, and I have no reason to stop thinking that.

Same as I've got no reason to start liking liver. Though no-one tells me I will change my mind, once I get older and realise how much I miss not eating liver.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
My question was [B]how.

And besides, thats completely relative and I want to know what xmarksthespots answer is. [/B]

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
In and of itself marriage is an archaic relic that serves no real purpose. Objectively it adds nothing more to a relationship than legal/monetary contractual obligations and benefits.

A stable loving long term relationship between two people, does not necessitate a marriage contract. The lack of a marriage likewise does not preclude that a relationship be stable loving and long term. Things which are exclusive to marriage are solely the legal and monetary aspects.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
A stable loving long term relationship between two people, does not necessitate a marriage contract. The lack of a marriage likewise does not preclude that a relationship be stable loving and long term. Things which are exclusive to marriage are solely the legal and monetary aspects.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
A stable loving long term relationship between two people, does not necessitate a marriage contract. The lack of a marriage likewise does not preclude that a relationship be stable loving and long term. Things which are exclusive to marriage are solely the legal and monetary aspects.

Can you say beyond the 'shadow of a doubt' that my relationship or anyone else's relationship (post marriage) isn't better off because of the marriage ritual, commitment and contract?

Originally posted by DarkC
Exactly, but even if they are more objective notions, it doesn't make them superior to the subjective ones or negate them.

Yes, that's exactly what it means. Nobody here is saying that marrying for love is wrong, if that's what you're saying, but it is factually illogical. There isn't any denying that.

More objective? Objective is objective or it's not objective, there aren't degrees of objectivity. OTFers trying to debate, what's next?

Originally posted by DarkC
I'd say a fair chunk of married couples blithely steer their minds clear of the things completely exclusive to marriage anyways. It doesn't make the objective reasons "logical", that's a bit like saying that you're buying a can opener mostly because it's white.

What are you on about? Terrible analogy.

The only objectively logical reason for marriage is legality, that is as much a fact as marrying for love being illogical.

Objectivity overrides subjectivity. You can't come in and start disagree with fact. Fact is truth.

Originally posted by Robtard
Can you say beyond the 'shadow of a doubt' that my relationship or anyone else's relationship (post marriage) isn't better off because of the marriage ritual, commitment and contract?

Can you say that it is? No.

You know as well as I do, because you've actually said it, that a legal contract does not create nor enhance love. To suggest that something not connected to love (As you've also admitted) can enhance it, is stupid.

-AC

If only logic and objectivety were involved when there is love.