Who's at fault when students fail?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
That's the most ignorant statement I have ever seen on this website, to date.

Are you serious? You think everyone has the will and strength to just pull through? You're just generalizing like mad. For all you know, some of these kids get beaten or are forced to work or do other chores while in school, raped, treated terribly, call names and other things similar.

It's actually stupid to completely eliminate circumstance and say failure is always the fault of the primary entity. There will always be a third party, and that can be a general influence or a lead contributer to failure.

Please don't call Lil B ignorant.

-AC

Originally posted by AssClown
Please don't call Lil B ignorant.

-AC

GTFO.

Originally posted by Soleran
Typical, until you become accountable for your choices you haven't grown up.

Kids are as much of the problem as parents and teachers and Spoony's paragraph helps to illustrate why.

How are kids as much the problem? If you're talking about peer pressure then the way you have been brought up has taught you how to react to that. It all goes back to the parents... And rightly so.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
GTFO.

Whether you agree with lil B or not calling her views the most ignorant on here is offensive to her.

-AC

Originally posted by AssClown
Whether you agree with lil B or not calling her views the most ignorant on here is offensive to her.

-AC

Are you retarded? GTFO.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Are you retarded? GTFO.

No, I just don't think you should call lil B's views ignorant. Say why you don't agree with them, but this post is nothing short of personal abuse about her intellect youngster. When you're older you'll learn you can disagree without becoming offensive.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
That's the most ignorant statement I have ever seen on this website, to date.

Are you serious? You think everyone has the will and strength to just pull through? You're just generalizing like mad. For all you know, some of these kids get beaten or are forced to work or do other chores while in school, raped, treated terribly, call names and other things similar.

It's actually stupid to completely eliminate circumstance and say failure is always the fault of the primary entity. There will always be a third party, and that can be a general influence or a lead contributer to failure.

-AC

Originally posted by §P0oONY
And you're not legally accountable for your choices until you become an adult. Therefor you are not at fault as a child failing.

How are kids as much the problem? If you're talking about peer pressure then the way you have been brought up has taught you how to react to that. It all goes back to the parents... And rightly so.

If we are simply products of our environment how can people succeed where others have failed in similar life styles.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
And you're not legally accountable for your choices until you become an adult. Therefor you are not at fault as a child failing.

How are kids as much the problem? If you're talking about peer pressure then the way you have been brought up has taught you how to react to that. It all goes back to the parents... And rightly so.

Once you realize life is just choices and taking accountability for said choices, you then "control" your future.

Whining about the influence of parents and peer groups without taking personal responsibility is a cop out, kids love it, it's even more sad when adults do it.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yet there are countless stories of people given the worst start to end up far better of. People who have grown up with nothing but abuse from parents. No not even teachers believing in them. Yet they rise above it all and make a better life for themselves.

If we are simply products of our environment how can people succeed where others have failed in similar life styles.

Originally posted by Soleran
Once you realize life is just choices and taking accountability for said choices, you then "control" your future.

Whining about the influence of parents and peer groups without taking personal responsibility is a cop out, kids love it, it's even more sad when adults do it.

Originally posted by AssClown
No, I just don't think you should call lil B's views ignorant. Say why you don't agree with them, but this post is nothing short of personal abuse about her intellect youngster. When you're older you'll learn you can disagree without becoming offensive.

-AC

What a knob you are, stop being a preachy smarmy ****. If they want to call someone ignorant they can, it's a forum for fvcks sake. Plus stop using your age as some kind of lord status, nobody cares.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
What a knob you are, stop being a preachy smarmy ****. If they want to call someone ignorant they can, it's a forum for fvcks sake. Plus stop using your age as some kind of lord status, nobody cares.

I don't think lil B or her views are ignorant from what i've seen and no, why should anyone bash. lil B raised some good points. The kid obviously didn't learn manners.

-AC

Originally posted by §P0oONY
Right, I don't know why people think that a good childhood means a good future. Often child's who have lived through hardship know how shit it was and strive to make a better life. The parents are accountable to this. That's not to say they were right in the way they brought up their child because obviously it can leave very deep psychological scars.

But the choices that you decide to take are dependant on the person you are, which is controlled by your upbringing.

Let me get this straight again. You believe that children are dependent upon the environment they grow up. That we are not responsible for our choices because it is our parents that force them on us.

Right so then how does having terrible parents and the worst background imaginable turn out respectable citizens who succeed when others faced with the exact same scenario fail.

If what you said were true then everyone of similar background would make the exact same choices which they do not.

Originally posted by AssClown
No, I just don't think you should call lil B's views ignorant. Say why you don't agree with them, but this post is nothing short of personal abuse about her intellect youngster. When you're older you'll learn you can disagree without becoming offensive.

-AC

Bias *AND* ageism? Why am I not surprised?

You just owned yourself. You showed you have a biased tendency and you also showed that you're ignorant as well (Alongside of Lil B) by posting a comment influenced primarily by ageism.

Why shouldn't I call her views ignorant? They are. Show me how her views are not ignorant. Don't just sit here and post in someone's defense with mere shitty semantics that don't matter or influence nothing except to reinforce what seems like some creepy obsession to defend Lil B.

Disperse. Come back when you're in my league.

My opinion is that it's our personality that shapes whether we succeed or fail and hardships such as social class, parentage etc. shape our personalities. This would therefore mean that all the factors play a part.

Originally posted by Newjak
That almost sounds like opposite to what you said.

Let me get this straight again. You believe that children are dependent upon the environment they grow up. That we are not responsible for our choices because it is our parents that force them on us.

Right so then how does having terrible parents and the worst background imaginable turn out respectable citizens who succeed when others faced with the exact same scenario fail.

If what you said were true then everyone of similar background would make the exact same choices which they do not.

No one has a similar background. No one has the same upbrining, no one would ever make exactly the same choices.

When a child has reached tha age on an adult they should have learned and could have learned what's right from wrong. Therfor it's their responsibility if they commit a crime. An up bringing effects an adult's choices but society has had enough time to mould a person's moral decisions.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
But the choices that you decide to take are dependant on the person you are, which is controlled by your upbringing.

To some degree, there are certain uncontrollables in life.

You cannot change where you come from but you can change your point of view and where you will end up.

With the attitude your displaying you are nothing but a victim, it's typical of children to display that and almost embrace that point of view, responsibility can be a real *****.

That's where the problem lies with kids and education.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Bias *AND* ageism? Why am I not surprised?

You just owned yourself. You showed you have a biased tendency and you also showed that you're ignorant as well (Alongside of Lil B) by posting a comment influenced primarily by ageism.

Why shouldn't I call her views ignorant? They are. Show me how her views are not ignorant. Don't just sit here and post in someone's defense with mere shitty semantics that don't matter or influence nothing except to reinforce what seems like some creepy obsession to defend Lil B.

Disperse. Come back when you're in my league.

I just don't think you should call her ignorant especially when We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view. To quote Martin Luther King, Jr.: "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." In conclusion by saying someone is owned you have merely shown you are a child.

-AC

The student failing is primarily his/her fault depending on how old they are because teenagers can make their own decisions but still need some guidance, but parents and teachers can also be blamed if they do not influence the child correctly, for example if the parents do not care and just disregard their child's school and education then they won't have the pressure or discipline to do well.

Teachers also play a major role because if a teacher doesn't care then they won't make an effort to try and get the student to pass, in my History class (I'm in highschool), this one guy is failing and the teacher made a point of putting him right in front of her while she gives a lecture in hopes of helping him pay attention and pass.

Originally posted by Soleran
To some degree, there are certain uncontrollables in life.

You cannot change where you come from but you can change your point of view and where you will end up.

With the attitude your displaying you are nothing but a victim, it's typical of children to display that and almost embrace that point of view, responsibility can be a real *****.

That's where the problem lies with kids and education.

Originally posted by AssClown
I just don't think you should call her ignorant especially when We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view. To quote Martin Luther King, Jr.: "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." In conclusion by saying someone is owned you have merely shown you are a child.

-AC

No, I haven't. I owned you. Hahaha, prove otherwise. Seriously. If you're going to come in here acting like a raging moron, I'm going to treat you like you're nothing but a mere six year old.

I ask you questions in my last post. Why don't answer them? MLK Jr was right. Nothing IS more dangerous than sincere ignorance.

You posted a quote that added to my point. Thank you.

What she said was ignorant. Prove that what she said was not ignorant, Assclown.

Also, remove the shit from under your nose before you return.