Who's at fault when students fail?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
That's the most ignorant statement I have ever seen on this website, to date.

Are you serious? You think everyone has the will and strength to just pull through? You're just generalizing like mad. For all you know, some of these kids get beaten or are forced to work or do other chores while in school, raped, treated terribly, call names and other things similar.

It's actually stupid to completely eliminate circumstance and say failure is always the fault of the primary entity. There will always be a third party, and that can be a general influence or a lead contributer to failure.

Just because you are a failure and cannot account for your own actions, do not attribute it to other people.

Boo-hoo, child failed its parents fault. People who are DETERMINED will let NOTHING stand in their way.

So, your statement is not only ignorant, its full of self pitty and pathetic excuses for failure. Shameful.

I have had shitty school, have not spoken English language AT ALL, my father left, had horrible teachers only 8 years ago.
My circumstances - I spoke not a word of English.
I have graduated from University last year and this year I will graduate with an MA.

So, take your pathetic excuses for failure elsewhere!

Originally posted by Oncewhite
Who's at fault when students fail? The parents, the school, the child, or all of them?

Small children? the parents.

College students? Themselves.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
[B]Just because you are a failure and cannot account for your own actions, do not attribute it to other people.

OH MY GOD! HAHAHA!

Now you're going to call me a failure? Oh my god, you're so damn ignorant! It's so bad!

I'm twenty two and I own a house.

Could you be any more ignorant? This is unbelievable!

Boo-hoo, child failed its parents fault. People who are DETERMINED will let NOTHING stand in their way.

This is real life, honey. Not fantasy land. Shit doesn't always go the way you want it to. People get dragged down and stopped and faulty parenting and a bad childhood can contribute to this.

Bad parenting shapes the way a person is, who that person is. The environment, people around a human being ...

Listen here, because I don't repeat myself.

Humans are a learning animal. Everything we know we are taught. We adapt, learn and listen. It's that simple. If you're in an environment with abusive parents who have very unmotivated attitudes and you grow up around this, you tend to adapt to this particular scenario; An equilibrium, so to say.

You get used to this. As negative as it was, nostalgia stains the memory of these terrible moments and it becomes all you know. It's not easy for every to pick up and do as they please. Circumstance is a large factor.

So, your statement is not only ignorant, its full of self pitty and pathetic excuses for failure. Shameful.

Needless semantics. Your statements are inane and empty. My statement is ignorant? Not quite.

Explain how my statement is ignorant. I'm dying to hear this.

I have had shitty school, have not spoken English language AT ALL, my father left, had horrible teachers only 8 years ago.
I have graduated from University last year and this year I will graduate with an MA.

So, take your pathetic excuses for failure elsewhere!

Yeah, you out of how many people. They aren't pathetic excuses and for them to be dismissed as such is absolutely disgusting.

There are people out there who don't have choices, people who don't get money passed to them or have to work hard for things but can't go anywhere because of the demons within their past or because what they like to do does not shine opportunity.

NEWSFLASH: Life is not simple and easy for everybody nor can everyone do what they want.

Your distortion bothers me.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
OH MY GOD! HAHAHA!

Now you're going to call me a failure? Oh my god, you're so damn ignorant! It's so bad!

I'm twenty two and I own a house.

Could you be any more ignorant? This is unbelievable!

This is real life, honey. Not fantasy land. Shit doesn't always go the way you want it to. People get dragged down and stopped and faulty parenting and a bad childhood can contribute to this.

Bad parenting shapes the way a person is, who that person is. The environment, people around a human being ...

Listen here, because I don't repeat myself.

Humans are a learning animal. Everything we know we are taught. We adapt, learn and listen. It's that simple. If you're in an environment with abusive parents who have very unmotivated attitudes and you grow up around this, you tend to adapt to this particular scenario; An equilibrium, so to say.

You get used to this. As negative as it was, nostalgia stains the memory of these terrible moments and it becomes all you know. It's not easy for every to pick up and do as they please. Circumstance is a large factor.

Needless semantics. Your statements are inane and empty. My statement is ignorant? Not quite.

Explain how my statement is ignorant. I'm dying to hear this.

Yeah, you out of how many people. They aren't pathetic excuses and for them to be dismissed as such is absolutely disgusting.

There are people out there who don't have choices, people who don't get money passed to them or have to work hard for things but can't go anywhere because of the demons within their past or because what they like to do does not shine opportunity.

NEWSFLASH: Life is not simple and easy for everybody nor can everyone do what they want.

Your distortion bothers me.

Excuse me, you are the one who came down on me with your own insulting remarks to show nothing but your lack of character and bitterness for dropping out of school.

This is not a distortion I talk about, but your own lack of success, which you blame on someone else.

You own a house? So what. I own one too. And?
I am also 22, i own a house and a degree, and I am about to hold a Masters in Criminology.

Owning a house does not equal success.

Do not patronise me, either. My life was not simple or easy, and I did not get what I wanted. I fought for it, and I had to indure all kinds of shit, from everyone.

Why don't you go to an Arabic speaking country and try learning a language in short time. Then with that knowledge gain a degree and an MA.

I finished school without failing, adn I finished it in a foreign language, and so do millions of other children. Not being English, I had to jump further and run faster to get where I am.

It is people like yourself who do not finish school, then cry about being everyone elses problem, and how life is shit.

You are a sad sad little person.

MA? Pfft.... MSc all the way... 😛

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Excuse me, you are the one who came down on me with your own insulting remarks to show nothing but your lack of character and bitterness for dropping out of school.

This is not a distortion I talk about, but your own lack of success, which you blame on someone else.

You own a house? So what. I own one too. And?
I am also 22, i own a house and a degree, and I am about to hold a Masters in Criminology.

Owning a house does not equal success.

Do not patronise me, either. My life was not simple or easy, and I did not get what I wanted. I fought for it, and I had to indure all kinds of shit, from everyone.

Why don't you go to an Arabic speaking country and try learning a language in short time. Then with that knowledge gain a degree and an MA.

I finished school without failing, adn I finished it in a foreign language, and so do millions of other children. Not being English, I had to jump further and run faster to get where I am.

It is people like yourself who do not finish school, then cry about being everyone elses problem, and how life is shit.

You are a sad sad little person.

That about sums him up.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
MA? Pfft.... MSc all the way... 😛

Pfft scientists😛

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
[B]Excuse me, you are the one who came down on me with your own insulting remarks to show nothing but your lack of character and bitterness for dropping out of school.

I never dropped out of school!

This is the third irrationally ignorant statement you've made so far!

Insulting remarks? Like what, Lil Bitchiness? You mad because I called you out on your raging ignorance, or what?

This is not a distortion I talk about, but your own lack of success, which you blame on someone else.

No, I don't lack success. Maybe you have too much success and it's breeding arrogance within you, because you seem to show zero mercy for people who have *REAL* problems. Not everyone can just shoot to success. It's difficult and not everyone makes it. With your vague and inane statements, I've managed to pick apart that you basically have a general idea that anyone can be successful no matter what and that people who fail only fail because of themselves and outside participation and third party influence is impossible.

That's an ignorant statement. It's also ignorant (THIS WOULD BE THE FOURTH OCCASION IN WHICH YOU OUTRIGHT DISPLAY IGNORANCE) to call me insulting when I pointed out the obvious at first in a more calm matter.

You own a house? So what. I own one too. And?
I am also 22, i own a house and a degree, and I am about to hold a Masters in Criminology.

Someone once told me "Owning a house does not equal success".

You should practice what you preach, darling.

Good for you. I don't tend to brag about my job. I usually stop to save myself from looking like an ego-monster.

Owning a house does not equal success.

I never stated that it did, but paying for the ownage rights to your very own house at twenty two with no financial help is an impressive feature.

Do not patronise me, either. My life was not simple or easy, and I did not get what I wanted. I fought for it, and I had to indure all kinds of shit, from everyone.

I never said your life WAS NOT simple or easy. I was using examples within my argument. Do not assume.

Plus, I never patronized you. This involves looking down upon someone. I never attempted this.

Why don't you go to an Arabic speaking country and try learning a language in short time. Then with that knowledge gain a degree and an MA.

I heard you brag enough previously, Lil bitchiness.

I finished school without failing, adn I finished it in a foreign language, and so do millions of other children. Not being English, I had to jump further and run faster to get where I am!

Christ, this is f*cking irrelevant. You didn't even refute most of the relevance pertaining to my debate.

Not everyone CAN be successful and to trickle back to the birth of this debate, not everyone's failure is because of themselves and SORELY themselves and it's IGNORANT to say something like that. It's that simple. You have not proved otherwise.

Good day.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

It is people like yourself who do not finish school, then cry about being everyone elses problem, and how life is shit.

You are a sad sad little person.

This is going in my profile. This is the most outrageously ignorant thing I've ever seen. I'm not even kidding.

I've never seen such an ignorant comment in my life.

You called me sad?

Oh boy.

I notice you didn't deny failing at school... hmm

Originally posted by §P0oONY
I notice you didn't deny failing at school... hmm

The guy is obviously a total failiure getting his anger issues out on a forum.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
I notice you didn't deny failing at school... hmm

You serious? Actually?

I never failed school and what I hate most is how Lil Bitchiness is speaking as if she knows me. Like, How I failed generally and flunked school.

It's ignorant to talk like that. She is one of the most ignorant people I've ever spoken to. I cannot have respect for a person like that.

Originally posted by Mr Tom Cat
The guy is obviously a total failiure getting his anger issues out on a forum.

😂

Originally posted by Mr Tom Cat
The guy is obviously a total failiure getting his anger issues out on a forum.

That's ridiculous. Don't talk to me like that. I don't have anger issues, I was simply addressing an issue at the beginning of this thread that seemingly got filtered into a barrage of assumptions and trolling from your sock.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
You serious? Actually?

I never failed school and what I hate most is how Lil Bitchiness is speaking as if she knows me. Like, How I failed generally and flunked school.

It's ignorant to talk like that. She is one of the most ignorant people I've ever spoken to. I cannot have respect for a person like that.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
Again... You're not denying the fact that you are a dropout. Dropping out is pretty much failing at school.

🙂

Yup, he's a failiure.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
Again... You're not denying the fact that you are a dropout. Dropping out is pretty much failing at school.

I was addressing the issue of her calling me a failure first.

No, I never dropped out nor did I fail school. K-12 with solid grades.

Dropping out is failing school?

Um, there is effectively a difference between not finishing something and outright failing at something.

Originally posted by Mr Tom Cat
🙂

Yup, he's a failiure.

😂 This guy...

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I was addressing the issue of her calling me a failure first.

No, I never dropped out nor did I fail school. K-12 with solid grades.

Dropping out is failing school?

Um, there is effectively a difference between not finishing something and outright failing at something.

Not really, not finishing means you have no gumption. If I fail to finish a marathon. I have both failed and not finished. A bit like you and school.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I was addressing the issue of her calling me a failure first.

No, I never dropped out nor did I fail school. K-12 with solid grades.

Dropping out is failing school?

Um, there is effectively a difference between not finishing something and outright failing at something.