Originally posted by Utrigita
and today LT again watches over the entire omniverse. So basically at the very least they should rival each other in power by todays cosmetology.
I still say Beyonder wins.
Beyonder was created to be more powerful than anything.
Beyonder took over all of Marvel.
He could have chosen to be the 616 Multiverse, or the Beyond Realm.
And there's nothing LT could have done, or could do.
Originally posted by Ethereal
I rarely debate, but I think in this instance, Beyonder is talking about dimensions in the universe,
I disagree.
Beyonder is talking about Dimensions as in Universes OUTSIDE 616.
Beyonder went to the Dark Dimension Another Universe.
Beyonder went to the Microverse, which is in Another Universe.
Only Asgard and the Stygian Domain of Mephisto are pocket Realms in 616.
Originally posted by Ethereal
or adjacent to, as in levels of reality. Not other universes (which I believe you're indicating alternate universes?)
I completely disagree.
And Yes, it is Other Universes I'm referring to, just like the On Panel evidence. 🙂
Originally posted by Ethereal
i.e- "multi" in this case meaning a multi-LAYERED universe, which Beyonder is referring to, not a multitude of universes in that sense...yeah, kind of confusing but I'll show you what I mean with a scan.
This has absolutely nothing to do, with Beyonder's case, nor does it fit in any way.
Originally posted by Ethereal
I believe this is similar to what Beyonder is referring to, the dimensions/planes of reality i.e-> atomic level, physical level, and here the abstract levels etc. "fighting on the highest plane conceivable"
Again, On Panel Beyonder travelled to Universes OUTSIDE the 616 Reality:
Here he goes to the Microverse, and the Nexus of ALL Realities OUTSIDE 616 too.
So Beyonder was referring to Universes,
"not physical, atomic" or whatever else that was Never mentioned On Panel.
Originally posted by Ethereal
Here the Beyonder says " We are beyond the Earth's Universe, and all its adjacent dimensions.. thus the multi-verse!" If the dimensions were universes, why not just say that word? Also, in this case Beyonder is probably refering to the mystical and off-beat dimensions, not IN the universe, not other universes, but dimensions adjacent to it. Thats how I see it.
I strongly Disagree.
Dr Strange explains why:
"The Multiverse - the Multiplicity of Universes"
The Multiverse is a Transfinite number,
that is a number greater than Infinity of Universes
These Universes are called Dimensions"
So Beyonder is referring to the Multiverse, I mean it's even mentioned:
Everyone knows the Beyond Realm was OUTSIDE the Multiverse.
Any attempt to argue that would be futile. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
I still say Beyonder wins.Beyonder was created to be more powerful than anything.
Beyonder took over all of Marvel.
He could have chosen to be the 616 Multiverse, or the Beyond Realm.
And there's nothing LT could have done, or could do.
The old LT couldnt' do anything. BUt this New LT is severly powerful. He works for the ONE above all. Unless something is of God's own power, like the heart, or michael of the source, the LT ain't going down. Hell I even said LT would beat mxy and mxy is =>>> classic beyonder.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The old LT couldnt' do anything. BUt this New LT is severly powerful. He works for the ONE above all. Unless something is of God's own power, like the heart, or michael of the source, the LT ain't going down. Hell I even said LT would beat mxy
Beyonder was outside those rules.
Beyonder could do anything, Molecule Man blasted Beyonder with enough power to obliterate several Billion Universes,
and Beyonder coughs.
"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"
"Namely that it is Many-Layered-composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions,
indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"
Dimensions are Universes. 🙂
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
and mxy is =>>> classic beyonder.
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Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree.Beyonder is talking about Dimensions as in Universes OUTSIDE 616.
Beyonder went to the Dark Dimension Another Universe.
Beyonder went to the Microverse, which is in Another Universe.
Everyone knows the Beyond Realm was OUTSIDE the Multiverse.
Any attempt to argue that would be futile. 🙂
Yeah I know the Beyond Realm is beyond the multi-verse, it even stated a few times it was millions of times greater than it also.
But yeah, the point I was getting at was the other dimensions such as The Microverse, Dark, Dream, Vishanti Realms etc., aren't composed of an Eternity. So they are governed by different laws or aspects than the 616 universe- and in the case we now know, any alternate universes comprised of Eternity.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I still say Beyonder wins.Beyonder was created to be more powerful than anything.
Beyonder took over all of Marvel.
He could have chosen to be the 616 Multiverse, or the Beyond Realm.
And there's nothing LT could have done, or could do.
Thats you openion and you are allowed to have that I have another and thats that.
yes he was created to be more powerful then anything, but was afterwards retconned down to be less powerful then Galactus, but thats the way comics work.
I say LT for the win
You say Beyonder for the win
Fine by my we just have different angles on how tackle the subject in the difference between 84 and 07 as seen from my point of view.
And again like to add that today there is only TOAA ore a being wielding TOAA's power above LT. But what the hell its a funny debate 😄
Originally posted by Utrigita
Thats you openion and you are allowed to have that I have another and thats that.
🙂
Originally posted by Utrigita
yes he was created to be more powerful then anything, but was afterwards retconned down to be less powerful then Galactus, but thats the way comics work.
No biggi.
That's why he has two separate titles,
Pre-retcon and Post-retcon.
Tow different power sets.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Fine by my we just have different angles on how tackle the subject in the difference between 84 and 07 as seen from my point of view.
And again like to add that today there is only TOAA ore a being wielding TOAA's power above LT. But what the hell its a funny debate 😄
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Originally posted by Utrigita
Thats you openion and you are allowed to have that I have another and thats that.yes he was created to be more powerful then anything, but was afterwards retconned down to be less powerful then Galactus, but thats the way comics work.
I say LT for the win
You say Beyonder for the win
Fine by my we just have different angles on how tackle the subject in the difference between 84 and 07 as seen from my point of view.
And again like to add that today there is only TOAA ore a being wielding TOAA's power above LT. But what the hell its a funny debate 😄
My friend, ur point is well taken. Best part of debating 🙂
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
You make this smiley almost everytime you own someone or convince someone.
If you continute this way you will die of lung cancer ... (Simply too much owning and convincing, even though it's just a smily it's used so often that it will affect you) 😉
This isn't owning this is called a stalemate that is agreed by both parties based on the conclusion from both sides that a agreement will never be reached. I called it earlier with Mr Master then I usually does when discussing something with him, I had no intention of turning this into another pre-recton beyonder vs pre-retcon Brothers debate, which was he last time where we had a real fight (and it was actually funny 😄)
Classic Beyonder. Its the same Living Tribunal that watches over the Marvel Universe, not some different version shit. Clasic Beyonder has already bitchslapped him before, and since its a showing between two godlike entities, we can take it as fact, opposed to a lot of the fights between Cap, Spidey, Batman and Wolverine.
