Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The point is that i'm most likely right. It always existed and no one knew about it for sure. you act as if the omniverse was created the day they found it. NOT!!
It didn't always exist.
It was worked into Continuity "unofficially" in Nov. 1986,
when the New Universe was first published.
So I'll put it like this.
Marvel was Officially ONE Multiverse and nothing more up until May 1984,
Secret Wars I, the Beyond Realm is introduced.
Between May 1984 & Nov. 1986,
Marvel was Officially ONE Multiverse
and the Beyond Realm (Everything Outside the Multiverse)
Nov. 1986 the New Universe Officially becomes the second Reality to exist outside the Multiverse.
I guess we can say at this point, though UN-Officially the Omniverse becomes part of Continuity.
In early 1992 the First Cross-Over between the New Universe and 616 Multiverse takes place, the Omniverse becomes Officially established as Continuity.
I think that's as close to grain as I can get. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
See Mr M,It's scans like these that you should really add to your Beyonder respect thread.
That way when people start arguing with you about him, you can just refer these people to your thread.
Plus Beyonder deserves all the respect he can get. doped
Absolutely, I can't believe I left this beauty out amongst others.
Originally posted by Galan007
See Mr M,It's scans like these that you should really add to your Beyonder respect thread.
That way when people start arguing with you about him, you can just refer these people to your thread.
Plus Beyonder deserves all the respect he can get. doped
OF course scans with descriptive power are sometimes miscounted as Hyperbole. Case in point, The ALE being billions of times more powerful than Mr. Mxy. Unless of course that is true as well.
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah it's just easier to dismiss scans that don't agree with you as Hyperbole huh? doped
Actually that is for the forum who has discounted all of the scans I have talked about that said how powerful someone is that they don't like. I could give a rat's ass about a character that has been retconned to be honest. To me the current LT can do everything the classic beyonder did.
Originally posted by Galan007
Exactly. doped
Well let me see. The LT Has held mega verses in his palm as if they were nothing. He sits judge over the MARVEL omniverse. The beyonder was only so many times more powerful than the marvel multiverse. and even if some people like to think that the beyonder was the omniverse, guess what, The LT sits OVER the omniverse. AS in over. As in more powerful. Game, Set, match. LT is above classic beyonder and anyway, LT punked the beyonder's ass and made it all one sick joke. How's that for a retcon.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Odin's realm is a Pocket Dimension or Pocket Universe.Beyonder say's "WHOLE Dimensions"
[B]"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"
"Namely that it is Many-Layered-composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions,indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"
Dimensions are Universes. 🙂
"Pocket Dimensions" like Mephisto's or Odin's, another story. 🙁 [/B]
I rarely debate, but I think in this instance, Beyonder is talking about dimensions in the universe, or adjacent to, as in levels of reality. Not other universes (which I believe you're indicating alternate universes?) i.e- "multi" in this case meaning a multi-LAYERED universe, which Beyonder is referring to, not a multitude of universes in that sense...yeah, kind of confusing but I'll show you what I mean with a scan. *Also, I'm not saying there aren't other universes, nor am I indicating that there was no multi-verse present in the story or anything.
I believe this is similar to what Beyonder is referring to, the dimensions/planes of reality i.e-> atomic level, physical level, and here the abstract levels etc. "fighting on the highest plane conceivable"
Here the Beyonder says " We are beyond the Earth's Universe, and all its adjacent dimensions.. thus the multi-verse!" If the dimensions were universes, why not just say that word? Also, in this case Beyonder is probably refering to the mystical and off-beat dimensions, not IN the universe, not other universes, but dimensions adjacent to it. Thats how I see it.
The word "dimension" is used interchangeably and in most of the time in different context in Marvel, which makes it somewhat confusing and hard to pin down or define to a sense.
Originally posted by Ethereal
I rarely debate, but I think in this instance, Beyonder is talking about dimensions in the universe, or adjacent to, as in levels of reality. Not other universes (which I believe you're indicating alternate universes?) i.e- "multi" in this case meaning a multi-LAYERED universe, which Beyonder is referring to, not a multitude of universes in that sense...yeah, kind of confusing but I'll show you what I mean with a scan. *Also, I'm not saying there aren't other universes, nor am I indicating that there was no multi-verse present in the story or anything.I believe this is similar to what Beyonder is referring to, the dimensions/planes of reality i.e-> atomic level, physical level, and here the abstract levels etc. [b]"fighting on the highest plane conceivable"
Here the Beyonder says " We are beyond the Earth's Universe, and all its adjacent dimensions.. thus the multi-verse!" If the dimensions were universes, why not just say that word? Also, in this case Beyonder is probably refering to the mystical and off-beat dimensions, not IN the universe, not other universes, but dimensions adjacent to it. Thats how I see it.
The word "dimension" is used interchangeably and in most of the time in different context in Marvel, which makes it somewhat confusing and hard to pin down or define to a sense. [/B]
This makes sense, thanks 🙂.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Again.Everything that is Outside the 616 Multiverse NOW,
Beyonder WAS.
Two Megaverses?
Try all the Megaverses in Marvel = Classic Beyonder.
Everything in Marvel NOW = Classic Beyonder minus the 616 Multiverse. 😄
Only if we are somehow making a good melting between pre-retcon and post-retconned can you make this assumption.
Pre-retcon Beyonder agree his realm was beyond the 616 multiverse and thus today is the omniverse. This is the timelinie that could have happen but instead:
Current LT watches over all the multiverses (beyonders included) because of the retcon that was maked in 86 I believe it was.
So basically we are talking about a pre-retconned being how is GOD, and the current mainstream timeline where The omniverse doesn't exist thanks to beyonder, and beyonders realm being one of many Multiverses in the omniverse which LT watches over.
There is the real problem from my point of view we are talking about a being from 84 and a being from 07 and a lot have changed since that time.
Originally posted by UtrigitaRemember, in the pre-retcon era, Beyonder was everything outside of the 616 Multiverse....
Current LT watches over all the multiverses (beyonders included) because of the retcon that was maked in 86 I believe it was.So basically we are talking about a pre-retconned being how is GOD, and the current mainstream timeline where The omniverse doesn't exist thanks to beyonder, and beyonders realm being one of many Multiverses in the omniverse which LT watches over.
Without Beyonder, there was no Beyond Realm...
So even though LT was still the Supreme Guardian of the Multiverse, he couldn't have watched/affected Beyonder's realm, (which is the rest of the Omniverse now)...... because....... well, Beyonder was the Beyond realm... Which was outside of LT's "scope of practice", so to speak...
Originally posted by Galan007
Remember, in the pre-retcon era, Beyonder was everything outside of the 616 Multiverse....Without Beyonder, there was no Beyond Realm...
So even though LT was still the Supreme Guardian of the Multiverse, he couldn't have watched/affected Beyonder's realm...... because....... well, Beyonder was the Beyond realm... Which was outside of LT's "scope of practice", so to speak...
Damm forgot to mention that 😮
But again Today he is also watching over beyonders multiverse if we follow the post retcon.
Originally posted by UtrigitaRight, well that's because there's no longer a pre-retcon Beyonder...
Damm forgot to mention that 😮But again Today he is also watching over beyonders multiverse if we follow the post retcon.
If there still was, all the Omniverse (save the 616 Multiverse), would still be Beyonder's real-estate.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Damm forgot to mention that 😮But again Today he is also watching over beyonders multiverse if we follow the post retcon.
Good Morning 🙂 I think u know my position regarding LT/Beyonder. I like '07. Beyonder, whoever he is can't hold LT's jock. He's not TOAA servant. He doesn't have the responsibility LT does. Back in day, well. Those cats goofed
Originally posted by Galan007
Right, well that's because there's no longer a pre-retcon Beyonder...If there still was, all the Omniverse (save the 616 Multiverse), would still be Beyonder's real-estate.
My hole point yet again we are discussing something that isn't really possible to discuss because of the pre-retcon and post-retcon influence on the subject at hand.
And as you said yourself and the way I see the problem: Even if the Omniverse is Beyonders real-estate then LT wouldn't watch over it, only the multiverse. But that isn't the case the "omniverse" that beyonder created that never got further then a multiverse (I think) and today LT again watches over the entire omniverse. So basically at the very least they should rival each other in power by todays cosmetology.
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lt2cm.jpg
as this scan also shows.
Originally posted by Utrigita
There is the real problem from my point of view we are talking about a being from 84 and a being from 07 and a lot have changed since that time.
Not really though,
the only change is that instead of the Beyond Realm, now we have an endless number of Multiverses Outside the 616 Multiverse.
Originally posted by Galan007
Remember, in the pre-retcon era, Beyonder was everything outside of the 616 Multiverse....Without Beyonder, there was no Beyond Realm...
So even though LT was still the Supreme Guardian of the Multiverse, he couldn't have watched/affected Beyonder's realm, (which is the rest of the Omniverse now)...... because....... well, Beyonder was the Beyond realm... Which was outside of LT's "scope of practice", so to speak...
Perfect. 😄
