Pre-retcon Beyonder vs the Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Mr Master
Just like the Omniverse is everything in Marvel Now.

So the Multi-verse was EVERYTHING upto May 84' and the Beyond Realm was EVERYTHING OUTSIDE of the Marvel Multi-verse between May 1984 and Nov. 86'

Beyonder was All there was outside the Multiverse

"My view?" hum

or rather the beyonder's view. He even says sort of. He actually says the beyond wrealm wouldn't exist if not for him. Thus the beyond wrealm he thought was everything was not. The Omniverse has always been.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
or rather the beyonder's view. He even says sort of. He actually says the beyond wrealm wouldn't exist if not for him. Thus the beyond wrealm he thought was everything was not. The Omniverse has always been.

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Originally posted by Utrigita
(don't like to use this tone but now I am pissed)

What a shit load of crap the Guy is a lawyer and is in no way retardet the only one in here is you, because as nvrbeenwthagirl says you are going out to accuse someone of being mental retarded, just because you cannot like him, that in no way gives you the right to throw dirt at Guy that haven't even insultet you in anyway on this Thread if he had done that another matter but just beginning to degrade someone without any reason ... I think you have proved quiet clearly who is mentally retarded of Guy222 and You!

And the most irritating part is you saying lets go back on topic and then you go after guy222 again jesus god.

You avater was a instrument nothing more, a being used by TOAA to accomplish a task. All that Thanos had experienced to that point was to prepare him for that task.

Back to topic.

Beyonder was Jim Shooters avatar, he was the editor-in-chef, he was exactly how powerful he wanted, that's why the imposed limitations scans are so common.

But you're right I better stop before I get banned.
This arguement has no place on this forum.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
A lawyer?
--The dude have problems with spelling simple words ...
And he claim to know much about the Living Tribunal when all he got is information from wikipedia, and by some scans that Mr. Master posted.
You're actually belive this guy, in all seriousness?
--To be tricked by one who is mentally retared ... I cannot find the words for it.
Actually I could post my IQ result as a scan, it's suprisingly high, not that I claim it's accurate, but it's very, very high.

Back to topic.

Beyonder was Jim Shooters avatar, he was the editor-in-chef, he was exactly how powerful he wanted, that's why the imposed limitations scans are so common.

Dude I meet him and was at work with him in the court, he find this funny and doesn't use time for checking spelling and so on. I actually follow his progress in different cases on the net so don't give me that pill of junk about not being capable of writing look at me I doesn't even use full stop anywhere that is because the spelling doesn't really interest me. I could post my IQ to I think you would be more surprised.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I completely Disagree.

Beyonder WAS ALL the Space beyond the Multiverse.

So actually Marvel wasn't just a Multiverse.

In 1984 Marvel was the Multiverse and the Beyond Realm.

The Beyond Realm = EVERYTHING OUTSIDE the Multiverse.

The Multiverse = a DROP of Water.

The Beyond Realm = an OCEAN.

Nuff said.

By all you previous post you have actually shown that you agree with me 😕

Like I said and I will say it again back in 84 marvel=multiverse LT realm!

07 marvel=omniverse LT realm, you have also posted numorous scans that shows that todays marvel is a omniverse. That the difference between 84 and 07 I have no doubt that in 84 beyonder would have kicked the crap out of LT but meeting the LT that exist today and governs a omniverse a sum of megaverses that in them holds a infinite number og multiverses a entirely different matter.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
A lawyer?
--The dude have problems with spelling simple words ...
And he claim to know much about the Living Tribunal when all he got is information from wikipedia, and by some scans that Mr. Master posted.
You're actually belive this guy, in all seriousness?
--To be tricked by one who is mentally retared ... I cannot find the words for it.
Actually I could post my IQ result as a scan, it's suprisingly high, not that I claim it's accurate, but it's very, very high.

Back to topic.

Beyonder was Jim Shooters avatar, he was the editor-in-chef, he was exactly how powerful he wanted, that's why the imposed limitations scans are so common.

I can't spell. Ok. Wrong again. I only know about LT thru Wikipedia. Ok. Wrong. Two strikes. I follow Mr. M scans, and that's how I know LT. I respect Mr. M. I know about LT. So, u strike out again. What's ur problem? The makers of the site should have a talk with u. Don't say anything else negative about me.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Dude I meet him and was at work with him in the court, he find this funny and doesn't use time for checking spelling and so on. I actually follow his progress in different cases on the net so don't give me that pill of junk about not being capable of writing look at me I doesn't even use full stop anywhere that is because the spelling doesn't really interest me. I could post my IQ to I think you would be more surprised.

My friend, how are u. Just ignore. I am

Beyonder wins.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
A lawyer?
--The dude have problems with spelling simple words ...
And he claim to know much about the Living Tribunal when all he got is information from wikipedia, and by some scans that Mr. Master posted.
You're actually belive this guy, in all seriousness?
--To be tricked by one who is mentally retared ... I cannot find the words for it.
Actually I could post my IQ result as a scan, it's suprisingly high, not that I claim it's accurate, but it's very, very high.

Back to topic.

Beyonder was Jim Shooters avatar, he was the editor-in-chef, he was exactly how powerful he wanted, that's why the imposed limitations scans are so common.

Please stop insultig people you don't know, this is not only rude but also very unintelligent. As for the IQ, well, those test can be wrong, one also has the chance to answer some questions right by blind luck. Judging from what I read from you till now, well...... I stop before I start being insulting myself. Have a nice day Thanos and play nice.....

Beyonder in a crumbstop, the Living Tribunal does not stand a single chanse the odd's are about infinity to zero in the favor of Beyonder.
He's the avatar of the editor-in-chef, he can only lose if he wills so.
He can be as powerful as he want, he can limit himself after his desire as well.
There is nothing Beyonder couldent to ... The Living Tribunal, the slave of the One-Above-All, shouldent be a problem.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Beyonder in a crumbstop, the Living Tribunal does not stand a single chanse the odd's are about infinity to zero in the favor of Beyonder.
He's the avatar of the editor-in-chef, he can only lose if he wills so.
He can be as powerful as he want, he can limit himself after his desire as well.
There is nothing Beyonder couldent to ... The Living Tribunal, the slave of the One-Above-All, shouldent be a problem.

What you are forgetting is that The LT was only over a multiverse back then. He's far superior now. The LT meets Beyonder wanna be's now and holds them in his hands and calls them mega verses. The LT retconned the shit out of classic beyonder. To show you the current LT's power. The current LT would laugh at the classic beyonder if he were to come into marvel today.

Beyonder- "I"m millions of times more powerful than the marvel multiverse"

LT- "LMAO, I'm the judge of an infinite OMNIVERSE"

Beyonder- " I can kill death. It will take a lot of my power THo"

LT- " The UN can kill multi Eternity the equal of multideath. I am not impressed"

Beyonder- " NO one has ever been as powerful as I have."

LT- " Look in my hand. These are two mega verses. More powerful than Anything you could ever imagine. Right here, in my hand. Now go play with your toys you cosmic joke. You were cool back in the day, but things have changed!!"

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What you are forgetting is that The LT was only over a multiverse back then. He's far superior now. The LT meets Beyonder wanna be's now and holds them in his hands and calls them mega verses. The LT retconned the shit out of classic beyonder. To show you the current LT's power. The current LT would laugh at the classic beyonder if he were to come into marvel today.

Beyonder- "I"m millions of times more powerful than the marvel multiverse"

LT- "LMAO, I'm the judge of an infinite OMNIVERSE"

Beyonder- " I can kill death. It will take a lot of my power THo"

LT- " The UN can kill multi Eternity the equal of multideath. I am not impressed"

Beyonder- " NO one has ever been as powerful as I have."

LT- " Look in my hand. These are two mega verses. More powerful than Anything you could ever imagine. Right here, in my hand. Now go play with your toys you cosmic joke. You were cool back in the day, but things have changed!!"

This was stupid. 😑

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What you are forgetting is that The LT was only over a multiverse back then. He's far superior now. The LT meets Beyonder wanna be's now and holds them in his hands and calls them mega verses. The LT retconned the shit out of classic beyonder. To show you the current LT's power. The current LT would laugh at the classic beyonder if he were to come into marvel today.

Beyonder- "I"m millions of times more powerful than the marvel multiverse"

LT- "LMAO, I'm the judge of an infinite OMNIVERSE"

Beyonder- " I can kill death. It will take a lot of my power THo"

LT- " The UN can kill multi Eternity the equal of multideath. I am not impressed"

Beyonder- " NO one has ever been as powerful as I have."

LT- " Look in my hand. These are two mega verses. More powerful than Anything you could ever imagine. Right here, in my hand. Now go play with your toys you cosmic joke. You were cool back in the day, but things have changed!!"

The Multiverse was "the omnniverse" back then. The Omniverse simply increased in size.

Classic Beyonder takes this

And your claim that Classic Beyonder needed to use most of his power to kill death is utter bullshit.

Throughout the entire Secret Wars saga, CB purposely limitted himself as to provide himself with a challenge, and even limitting himself dramatically he still played with Marvel like a toy.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The Multiverse was "the omnniverse" back then. The Omniverse simply increased in size.

Classic Beyonder takes this

And your claim that Classic Beyonder needed to use most of his power to kill death is utter bullshit.

Throughout the entire Secret Wars saga, CB purposely limitted himself as to provide himself with a challenge, and even limitting himself dramatically he still played with Marvel like a toy.

And you are an idiot if you think the Omniverse was the Multiverse. That is complete and utter crap. the Omniverse is a collection of ****ing multiverses. There is no way one multiverse was the omniverse. Get that bullshit out of here. Anyway, the classic beyonder had a limit to his power. marvel tells us that he is millions of times more powerful than the multiverse. So indeed there is a limit to his power. The current omniverse is trillions of times more powerful than the 616 multiverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And you and idiot if you think the Omniverse was the Multiverse. That is complete and utter crap. the Omniverse is a collection of ****ing multiverses. There is no way one multiverse was the omniverse. Get that bullshit out of here. Anyway, the classic beyonder had a limit to his power. marvel tells us that he is millions of times more powerful than the multiverse. So indeed there is a limit to his power. The current omniverse is trillions of times more powerful than the 616 multiverse.

The Marvel Cosmic hierarchy has not changed much since 1984.

excluding beings or artifacts that have risen to power like Wanda, the IG, it's still the SAME concerning the Abstracts.

There is still just ONE LT.

There is still just ONE Multi-Eternity.

There's NO evdence of other Multi-Concepts with the exception of Death back in 85' (Secret Wars) and that's been Retconned into Universal Death.

So ...

Entropy (the next Multi-Eternity in the cycle)

Oblivion

Eternity/Infinity (one Pair in every Universe in the Multiverse ONLY)

That's right, this Hierarchy of Sentient Concepts does NOT exist Outside of the Prime Multiverse.

"Realms LACKING this Hierarchy are OUTSIDE the Multiverse"

Death

Lord Chaos & Master Order

Hate - Love - Chronos - Eon/Epoch - Galactus - OAA/Celestial - Ziran/Celestial

and the Stranger.

That's been the basic Cosmic Hierarchy in every Cosmic event that has ever taken place.

The ONLY New addition has been Abraxas (embodiment of Destruction)

and Entropy (eternity's Rebirth) after Pre-retcon Beyonder's era.

TWO Cosmics.

ONLY the LT operates Outside the Multiverse, (Off Panel) in some mysterious way that has never been shown On Panel.

Then there's the Omniversal Guardians Merlyn or Roma.

Merlyn has the most incredible feats in Marvel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Marvel Cosmic hierarchy has not changed much since 1984.

excluding beings or artifacts that have risen to power like Wanda, the IG, it's still the SAME concerning the Abstracts.

There is still just ONE LT.

There is still just ONE Multi-Eternity.

There's NO evdence of other Multi-Concepts with the exception of Death back in 85' (Secret Wars) and that's been Retconned into Universal Death.

So ...

Entropy (the next Multi-Eternity in the cycle)

Oblivion

Eternity/Infinity (one Pair in every Universe in the Multiverse ONLY)

That's right, this Hierarchy of Sentient Concepts does NOT exist Outside of the Prime Multiverse.

"Realms LACKING this Hierarchy are OUTSIDE the Multiverse"

Death

Lord Chaos & Master Order

Hate - Love - Chronos - Eon/Epoch - Galactus - OAA/Celestial - Ziran/Celestial

and the Stranger.

That's been the basic Cosmic Hierarchy in every Cosmic event that has ever taken place.

The ONLY New addition has been Abraxas (embodiment of Destruction)

and Entropy (eternity's Rebirth) after Pre-retcon Beyonder's era.

TWO Cosmics.

ONLY the LT operates Outside the Multiverse, (Off Panel) in some mysterious way that has never been shown On Panel.

Then there's the Omniversal Guardians Merlyn or Roma.

Merlyn has the most incredible feats in Marvel.

What does that have to do with the cosmic vortex/omniverse? Even if the other multiverses have no embodiment's which really goes again the very concept of what marvel was doing when it made the cosmics, then the LT is still the judge over the Omniverse. Thus making him far more powerful than just millions of times more powerful than the multiverse. And the idea behind the marvel concepts was that the concepts are so far beyond human understanding that what we see are just an easy way for us to understand. This would mean that no matter what universe, in what multiverse, there would be some representation for eternity becuz it would rep that universe as a concept. the same for love, hate, order and what ever else. basically marvel was saying where ever these things exist, they are far beyond human understanding, so they made those m body reps.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What does that have to do with the cosmic vortex/omniverse? Even if the other multiverses have no embodiment's which really goes again the very concept of what marvel was doing when it made the cosmics, then the LT is still the judge over the Omniverse. Thus making him far more powerful than just millions of times more powerful than the multiverse. And the idea behind the marvel concepts was that the concepts are so far beyond human understanding that what we see are just an easy way for us to understand. This would mean that no matter what universe, in what multiverse, there would be some representation for eternity becuz it would rep that universe as a concept. the same for love, hate, order and what ever else. basically marvel was saying where ever these things exist, they are far beyond human understanding, so they made those m body reps.

I gave you a thorough and simple explanation of the Marvel Hierarchy, how it has Not changed since 1984.

Only Two Cosmics have been added to the list.

I really don't see how the rest of the post fits, it's easy,

there are NO other Multi-Eternitys or any other Sentient Abstracts Outside the Prime Multiverse.

Is this surprising?

No.

No one can produce for me a scan of a Sentient Concept Outside the Multiverse.

I know, because I can't.

There a continuum of Multiverses Outside the Prime Multiverse, Marvel has shown us literally a Few, but the Cosmic of those other Multiverses have not been discussed if they exist at all.

I have those other Multiverse issues, they deal with Heroes and Villians no greater than the likes of Classic Thor.

The Starbrand is powerful but that's One instance and has nothing to do with Cosmics.

Anyways, I just thought it should be known, I don't think many knew that about the Marvel Cosmic hierarchy. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
I gave you a thorough and simple explanation of the Marvel Hierarchy, how it has Not changed since 1984.

Only Two Cosmics have been added to the list.

I really don't see how the rest of the post fits, it's easy,

there are NO other Multi-Eternitys or any other Sentient Abstracts Outside the Prime Multiverse.

Is this surprising?

No.

No one can produce for me a scan of a Sentient Concept Outside the Multiverse.

I know, because I can't.

There a continuum of Multiverses Outside the Prime Multiverse, Marvel has shown us literally a Few, but the Cosmic of those other Multiverses have not been discussed if they exist at all.

I have those other Multiverse issues, they deal with Heroes and Villians no greater than the likes of Classic Thor.

The Starbrand is powerful but that's One instance and has nothing to do with Cosmics.

Anyways, I just thought it should be known, I don't think many knew that about the Marvel Cosmic hierarchy. 🙂

You can't say no other sentient concepts exist. By the very nature of what marvel has deemed the concepts, they are actually just representations of forces that we cannot understand. even you, said that thanos thought other's might threaten his reign. If he did indeed absorb the multiverse as you claim he had, ( even tho I dont' go for that) by your own argument, Thanos thought there were other cosmics out there. Now either thanos absorbed the universe and the other cosmics he were talking about were the cosmics of the 616 multiverse, or Thanos absorbed the multiverse as you say he did, and he knew of other cosmics from the other multiverses. Either or. but you can't have it both ways mr. Im just using your own argument against you.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You can't say no other sentient concepts exist. By the very nature of what marvel has deemed the concepts, they are actually just representations of forces that we cannot understand. even you, said that thanos thought other's might threaten his reign. If he did indeed absorb the multiverse as you claim he had, ( even tho I dont' go for that) by your own argument, Thanos thought there were other cosmics out there. Now either thanos absorbed the universe and the other cosmics he were talking about were the cosmics of the 616 multiverse, or Thanos absorbed the multiverse as you say he did, and he knew of other cosmics from the other multiverses. Either or. but you can't have it both ways mr. Im just using your own argument against you.

Thanos only absorbed the Multiverse IMO.

It started with one Universe and continued on ... (always been my stance)

How does Thanos absorbing just the Multiverse, say "there are other Cosmics Outside the Multiverse?"

The way it should read is, Thanos only absorbed the Multiverse, because that's where all the threat remained.

Now that I think about it, there are powers that could careless about Thanos and his Multiverse, but Other Universes with in the Multiverses have a great reason to pose a threat to Thanos.

Seeing his domination of the 616 Reality, they would see Thanos as a potential would-be conquerer of other Realities, namely their own.