Pre-retcon Beyonder vs the Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanos only absorbed the Multiverse IMO.

It started with one Universe and continued on ... (always been my stance)

How does Thanos absorbing just the Multiverse, say "there are other Cosmics Outside the Multiverse?"

The way it should read is, Thanos only absorbed the Multiverse, because that's where all the threat remained.

Now that I think about it, there are powers that could careless about Thanos and his Multiverse, but Other Universes with in the Multiverses have a great reason to pose a threat to Thanos.

Seeing his domination of the 616 Reality, they would see Thanos as a potential would-be conquerer of other Realities, namely their own.

A conqueror only grows more powerful by winning more land. As with emporers. Thanos would get stronger, the more realities came under his boot heal. If he did rule one multiverse, ( which I'm almost certain he didn't, but I dont' doubt that he could given that he so easily pwned the LT), then he would know that there were other stronger multiverses out there. he is a conqueror and would get bored. with an infinite omniverse, he could just keep meeting greater and greater challenges.

I need to understand this right Marvel is actually still a multiverse but still a omniverse the marvel cannot be to things I got burned in a MJJ thread for saying that Marvel wasn't a omniverse and now it suddenly is but it still a multiverse. 🤨

Originally posted by Utrigita
I need to understand this right Marvel is actually still a multiverse but still a omniverse the marvel cannot be to things I got burned in a MJJ thread for saying that Marvel wasn't a omniverse and now it suddenly is but it still a multiverse. 🤨

i would like to know also 🙂

Beyonder as portrayed back then, was simply rediculous.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I need to understand this right Marvel is actually still a multiverse but still a omniverse the marvel cannot be to things I got burned in a MJJ thread for saying that Marvel wasn't a omniverse and now it suddenly is but it still a multiverse. 🤨

Marvel has infinite groupings, of infinite Universes.

Each one of these groupings, which is composed of an infinite amount of Universes, is called a Multiverse...

As I said before, there is an infinite amount of Multiverses, and the sum of these Multiverses makes up the Omniverse within Marvel.

So in short..... Yes, Marvel does have it's own Omniverse.

There are numerous panels describing this.

Originally posted by Galan007
From what I understand...

Marvel has infinite groupings, of infinite Universes.

Each one of these groupings, which is composed of an infinite amount of Universes, is called a Multiverse...

As I said before, there is an infinite amount of Multiverses, and the sum of these Multiverses makes up the Omniverse within Marvel.

So in short..... Yes, Marvel does have it's own Omniverse.

There are numerous panels describing this.

Thanks Galan007

The problem i see is when a scan or reference is not clear,in these instances, they are used to win a debate, then we have one person saying their view is what matters more than someone elses

Somtimes the meaning is meant to leave it to the reader to make his own interpitation, sometimes there is no right answer, as a writer in a comic book is given little space to tell a story, and writers come and go so fast these days

i think what you told us is great,its when in a debate the understanding of what is a__________,is twisted to suit the debate at the time

basicly i think its ok to have a explanation for what marvel has, but what the words mean in a comic should not be interperted to make rules that automaticly make someone right or wrong

Originally posted by starlock
Thanks Galan007

The problem i see is when a scan or reference is not clear,in these instances, they are used to win a debate, then we have one person saying their view is what matters more than someone elses

Somtimes the meaning is meant to leave it to the reader to make his own interpitation, sometimes there is no right answer, as a writer in a comic book is given little space to tell a story, and writers come and go so fast these days

i think what you told us is great,its when in a debate the understanding of what is a__________,is twisted to suit the debate at the time

basicly i think its ok to have a explanation for what marvel has, but what the words mean in a comic should not be interperted to make rules that automaticly make someone right or wrong

All I did was explain how I understood the Marvel Omniverse to be, based on evidence from actual comics.

But whether or not Marvel has it's own Omniverse is not even debatable..... Because it does. 😉

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not trying to twist words in the slightest, so I would hope the majority of your post wasn't directed at me. doped

All I did was explain how I understood the Marvel Omniverse to be, based on evidence from actual comics.

But whether or not Marvel has it's own Omniverse is not even debatable..... Because it does. 😉

galaan007 i said thanks and i said "when in a debate",then at the "time"

i dont think you twisted (or twist period) anything, you gave us a explanation and i said thanks i was sincere

i think i made myself clear to you or anybody reading my post
but if there is any anger or whatever you have with me just let me know 🙂

Originally posted by starlock
galaan007 i said thanks and i said "when in a debate",then at the "time"

i dont think you twisted (or twist period) anything, you gave us a explanation and i said thanks i was sincere

i think i made myself clear to you or anybody reading my post
but if there is any anger or whatever you have with me just let me know 🙂

Your post simply wasn't as clear as you may think it was, hence my last post. doped

Originally posted by Galan007
I have no anger towards you...

Your post simply wasn't as clear as you may think it was, hence my last post. doped

hey no problem 🙂
it is hard i will admit to get the meaning of what is said when typed on paper(boards)

hehe i still cant express myself hehe you know what i mean 😉

What we must as ourselves, is Can the current LT accomplish everything the Classic Beyonder could. Hyperbole aside about how powerful the beyonder was, becuz we all know sentry has the power of a billions suns too, What did beyonder do on panel that would be impossible for the current lt to do?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
we all know sentry has the power of a billions suns too,

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/CW%20The%20Return/Civil_War_-_The_Return_001_021.jpg

It's still impressive, but far from the power of "billions" of Suns. 😉

Originally posted by Galan007
From what I understand...

Marvel has infinite groupings, of infinite Universes.

Each one of these groupings, which is composed of an infinite amount of Universes, is called a Multiverse...

As I said before, there is an infinite amount of Multiverses, and the sum of these Multiverses makes up the Omniverse within Marvel.

So in short..... Yes, Marvel does have it's own Omniverse.

There are numerous panels describing this.

Thanx Galan then I think I finally understand this:

In 84 marvel didn't have its own Omniverse only a multiverse (based on LT saying in secret wars II "death is erased acrose the entire multiverse"😉

In 97 we see the very same LT holding the post retconned Brothers in his hands as two seperated megaverses. And as a scan showed by Mr Master earlier in both this thread and in LT vs The power of ... shown that the omniverse exist.

Is this assumption and analyse of the current situation and change in the Marvel universe correct???

Originally posted by Utrigita
Thanx Galan then I think I finally understand this:

In 84 marvel didn't have its own Omniverse only a multiverse (based on LT saying in secret wars II "death is erased acrose the entire multiverse"😉

In 97 we see the very same LT holding the post retconned Brothers in his hands as two seperated megaverses. And as a scan showed by Mr Master earlier in both this thread and in LT vs The power of ... shown that the omniverse exist.

Is this assumption and analyse of the current situation and change in the Marvel universe correct???

One thing you might want to note if you didn't already know, is Marvel's own Omniverse has been directly referenced numerous times, in various comics.

Omniverse = An infintie amount of Multiverses correct?

What was the Beyond realm?
1st statement: Million of times all the power in the Marvel Multiverse combinded.

2nd statement: Marvel Multiverse was but an drop in the ocean in comperhension.

3rd statement: Beyonder created out of his realm a universe infinite times bigger than the Marvel Multiverse.

If we go by the 3rd statement, it says:
Beyond realm = Infinite amount of Multiverses (in size)
Omniverse = Infinite amount of Multiverses
Omniverse = Beyond realm

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Omniverse = An infintie amount of Multiverses correct?

What was the Beyond realm?
1st statement: Million of times all the power in the Marvel Multiverse combinded.

2nd statement: Marvel Multiverse was but an drop in the ocean in comperhension.

3rd statement: Beyonder created out of his realm a universe infinite times bigger than the Marvel Multiverse.

If we go by the 3rd statement, it says:
Beyond realm = Infinite amount of Multiverses (in size)
Omniverse = Infinite amount of Multiverses
Omniverse = Beyond realm

Though there was mention of the lifeforms evolving in the "infinity which they dwell"..... But who knows? Even in the mainstream MU, any said Universe is Infinite.

However, it was said, (in every SWII comic), that the 616 Universe was but nothing but a drop of water in and Ocean, when compared to Beyonder's Universe.

A great as the latter may be, putting a number/limit on anything means it can't be infinite, (in the literal sense).

IMO the Omniverse now > Beyonder's Universe.

That's my 2 cents anyway. twocents

Originally posted by Galan007
Beyonder created his Universe in the Infinite Beyond realm.... It never said that he filled in the entirety of the Beyond realm.

Though there was mention of the lifeforms evolving in the "infinity which they dwell"..... But who knows? Even in the mainstream MU, any said Universe is Infinite.

However, it was said, (in every SWII comic), that the 616 Universe was but nothing but a drop of water in and Ocean, when compared to Beyonder's Universe.

A great as the latter may be, putting a number/limit on anything means it can't be infinite, (in the literal sense).

IMO the Omniverse now > Beyonder's Universe.

That's my 2 cents anyway. twocents

hey galaan007 i think you can edit your post if its within 15 minutes

Originally posted by starlock
hey galaan007 i think you can edit your post if its within 15 minutes

Originally posted by Galan007
Beyonder created his Universe in the Infinite Beyond realm.... It never said that he filled in the entirety of the Beyond realm.

Though there was mention of the lifeforms evolving in the "infinity which they dwell"..... But who knows? Even in the mainstream MU, any said Universe is Infinite.

However, it was said, (in every SWII comic), that the 616 Universe was but nothing but a drop of water in and Ocean, when compared to Beyonder's Universe.

A great as the latter may be, putting a number/limit on anything means it can't be infinite, (in the literal sense).

IMO the Omniverse now > Beyonder's Universe.

That's my 2 cents anyway. twocents

Thats my analyse of the current situation in the Marvel Universe to, that in 84 we had ONE multiverse and beyonder was really extremely powerful back then still are but not on the same level since basically every multiverse beyonders too, how big it might be, is still but a drop in the ocean in comparison with the Omniverse.