Pre-retcon Beyonder vs the Living Tribunal

In 1984 -85'

There was One Marvel Universe that was a Multiverse.

Marvel produced Other titles in the UK that involved an Omniverse,

this Omniverse was NOT part of Continuity, although Marvel published it.

In Continuity,

Beyonder WAS Everything OUTSIDE the Multiverse.

The Beyond Realm WAS the Beyonder and it stretched into Infinity:

"Meeting NO resistance in the INFINITE BEYOND"

"Evolves and Flourishes Within the New Universe, BEGAT by Beyonder's Power"

"Mortal Beings giving meaning to the INFINITY in which they dwell"

Now that you see Beyonder IS the Beyond Realm and the it takes up ALL of the Infinity beyond the Multiverse.

It's size?

"A UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean"

OUR OWN is NOT the 616 Reality, it is the MULTIVERSE!

"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"

"Namely that it is Many-Layered-composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions,

indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"

Beyonder's Universe continued to expand further,

until it became a Multiverse itself:

"Beyonder, the entity that embodied all the substance of Another Multiverse"

How much more Infinite still was his Multiverse?

I have no idea,

but if his Universe was an OCEAN,

and the Multiverse was a DROP of Water in comparison,

one can imagine, or can we?

ALL the space that's taken up by the,

Infinite Multiverses OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse,

was once occupied by the Beyonder.

That's the easiest way to understand, just how insanely powerful,

Beyonder was.

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It sounds as it was taken right out of the bible.

I might be slow ore something today (is still a little ill)

But, when the Secret wars II was written Marvel had as you said yourself a multiverse, but some in England was talking about a omniverse but that was keeped out of the marvel Continuity.

So basically we at that point of time had only a multiverse as you scan shows, beyonder didn't feel a omniverse, nore a Megaverse but a multiverse. Only that one Multiverse. The only one that was acknowlegde by marvel was that particular multiverse. Beyonder then become everything outside of that current multiverse in 84 and it expanded and so on, and marvels multiverse became a drop in the ocean in comparison.

But no matter how big Beyonders multiverse became and I don't doubt that it became very big indeed seeing him saying that he restrained himself and so on, it still doesn't make up for A single megaverse which is a collection of multiverses.

Same statement yet again:

Back in 84 Beyonder was above the LT in everything basically he was TOAA back then.
After the retcon of the Brothers we see them fighting in the hand of LT, as two Megaverses, which he crushes easily. Seen how two megaverses are much more then any single multiverse LT today must be more powerful then beyonder that existed in 84.

Again everybody say that LT has never been retconned, but in some sense he still has, in Secret wars II LT's role wasn't known to many, Maybe he didn't have the power to step up to beyonder but he should have tried seen how he tried to do so against Thanos W/HOTI and still got badly beaten, by him. Hence my question I asked almost in the beginning of the post is this the LT we see standing and just saying "death is erased across the entire multiverse" ore the One who does he's best against Thanos W/HOTI?

Beyonder was Everything Outsdie the Multiverse.

Beyonder was ALL the Infinity Outside the Multiverse.

That means that Everything Outside the Multiverse NOW, was the Beyonder.

Again,

ALL the Space occupied by all the Multiverses Outside the Prime Multiverse NOW,

was occupied by the Beyonder.

Because Beyonder WAS ALL that Infinity that was Replace by Multiverses,

to Megaverses.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder was Everything Outsdie the Multiverse.

Beyonder was ALL the Infinity Outside the Multiverse.

That means that Everything Outside the Multiverse NOW, was the Beyonder.

Again,

ALL the Space occupied by all the Multiverses Outside the Prime Multiverse NOW,

was occupied by the Beyonder.

Because Beyonder WAS ALL that Infinity that was Replace by Multiverses,

to Megaverses.

Because the Omniverse today, is everything Beyonder once was + the 616 Multiverse.

Today's Omniverse > What Beyonder was.

:Beyonder was Everything Outsdie the Multiverse.

Beyonder was ALL the Infinity Outside the Multiverse.

That means that Everything Outside the Multiverse NOW, was the Beyonder.

Again,

ALL the Space occupied by all the Multiverses Outside the Prime Multiverse NOW,

was occupied by the Beyonder.

Because Beyonder WAS ALL that Infinity that was Replace by Multiverses,

to Megaverses.:

So you are saying that the omniverse that exist today is thanks to beyonder???

Originally posted by Galan007
So, even though Beyonder was everything outside of the 616 Multiverse, he still wasn't as great as the Omniverse of today.

Because the Omniverse today, is everything Beyonder once was + the 616 Multiverse.

Today's Omniverse > What Beyonder was.

Technically speaking?

Yes. 😛

Originally posted by Mr Master
Technically speaking?

Yes. 😛

Infinity + 1 ftw!

😛

Originally posted by Utrigita
So you are saying that the omniverse that exist today is thanks to beyonder???

😕

I was only trying to put the Beyonder's grandeur in perspective.

IMO,

Since Beyonder was all the Infinity beyond the 616 Multiverse,

and today all that Infinity fits an endless amount of Multiverses,

Beyonder = an endless amount of Multiverses.

Originally posted by Galan007
😂

Infinity + 1 ftw!

😛

😠

I was going to stalemate you with this:

But then I remembered he could not be both.

He was either the Multiverse, or the Beyond Realm.

Originally posted by Mr Master
😕

I was only trying to put the Beyonder's grandeur in perspective.

IMO,

Since Beyonder was all the Infinity beyond the 616 Multiverse,

and today all that Infinity fits an endless amount of Multiverses,

Beyonder = an endless amount of Multiverses.

He wasn't endless. His exact power was said on panel. Millions of times more powerful than the multiverse. He certainly wasn't endless. That is a number that is quantifiable. THe LT wins.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He wasn't endless. His exact power was said on panel. Millions of times more powerful than the multiverse. He certainly wasn't endless. That is a number that is quantifiable. THe LT wins.

Probably gets kinda boring writing infinite all the time too.

Originally posted by Mr Master
😠

I was going to stalemate you with this:

But then I remembered he could not be both.

He was either the Multiverse, or the Beyond Realm.

😛

Seriously though,

Beyonder's fart > LT IMO. doped

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He wasn't endless. His exact power was said on panel. Millions of times more powerful than the multiverse. He certainly wasn't endless. That is a number that is quantifiable. THe LT wins.

Outside of the Multiverse, Beyonder was everything.

He was basically everything the Omniverse is today, minus the 616 Multiverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He wasn't endless. His exact power was said on panel. Millions of times more powerful than the multiverse. He certainly wasn't endless. That is a number that is quantifiable.

I think the number was thrown in for perspective.

Beyonder's power created an Infinite Universe, that stretched into the Infinite Beyond.

It later expanded even further into a Multiverse.

The Infinite Beyond is now occupied by an Endless number of Multiverses.

Beyonder = an endless amount of Multiverses. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Seriously though,

Beyonder's fart > LT IMO. doped

😆 😂 😆 🤣

Well, is it today's tribunal, or the tribunal of Beyonder's time?

Does it matter?

Originally posted by Mr Master
I think the number was thrown in for perspective.

Beyonder's power created an Infinite Universe, that stretched into the Infinite Beyond.

It later expanded even further into a Multiverse.

The Infinite Beyond is now occupied by an Endless number of Multiverses.

Beyonder = an endless amount of Multiverses. 🙂

Exept we know that the omniverse always existed. The beyonder was retoconned. so there is no real way to know if the beyonder was as huge as the marvel omniverse.

Originally posted by Juntai
Well, is it today's tribunal, or the tribunal of Beyonder's time?

Does it matter?

No difference.

LT was the Marvel Judge then as he is now.

Beyonder took over Marvel.