ROTS Anakin V.S. KOTOR Revan

Not to mention that Obi-Wan was giving ground, he was always drawing back, to the higher ground, if he stayed in the same are to long, Anakin would have butchered him and they had 1000s of hours of training combat wit each other, Anakins wasn't focused, because of Padme, he thought she betrayed him... This all or factors that led to OBis victory, he isn't close to Anakin at all.
And we don't know how good Revan is with a saber Zobica, far all we know, Obi-Wan could have been better then him with sabers.

The problem with (as you will learn) is that game play doesn't count. Only the cutscenes do. Because I could have a level 17 reavn with x,y,z stats, and you could have a level 20 revan with x,y,z stats. At the end of the game. There is no definite picture on how most of his fights occur like, he could have been fighting with malak on the star forge in a saber duel then he uses lighting with one hand and malak dies. Or he could have stabbed him. Get what I mean?

Well all i can hope is that we get all the details soon on Revan

Even if kotor 3 were to come out today(i wish) it would probably be the same thing with game play factors coming into play. We would need a book to get know how revan did what he did.

I didnt mean Kotor 3 man i just meant more info period 😛

WE need a book!

The question is what would the book be about? like a general plot?

Originally posted by zobica
The question is what would the book be about? like a general plot?

Um based on kotor 1 and madadalorian war duh.doh

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Not to mention that Obi-Wan was giving ground, he was always drawing back, to the higher ground, if he stayed in the same are to long, Anakin would have butchered him and they had 1000s of hours of training combat wit each other, Anakins wasn't focused, because of Padme, he thought she betrayed him... This all or factors that led to OBis victory, he isn't close to Anakin at all.
And we don't know how good Revan is with a saber Zobica, far all we know, Obi-Wan could have been better then him with sabers.

um how is Obi wan not close to Anakin when he defeated him? I can understand you sayin that Anakin given the circumstances of the fight is better but if he could have butchered obi wan he would have.

Trainig experience with your foe is never ever going to make up for such a large gap that you believe exists between the two. I mean was'nt Cin drallig anakins lightsaber instructor and he got wtf owned so obviously Obi wan must be very close to Anakin in saber combat other wise it would'nt matter how much he knew of Anakin he still would have gotten owned .

Originally posted by jole bindo
um how is Obi wan not close to Anakin when he defeated him? I can understand you sayin that Anakin given the circumstances of the fight is better but if he could have butchered obi wan he would have.

Trainig experience with your foe is never ever going to make up for such a large gap that you believe exists between the two. I mean was'nt Cin drallig anakins lightsaber instructor and he got wtf owned so obviously Obi wan must be very close to Anakin in saber combat other wise it would'nt matter how much he knew of Anakin he still would have gotten owned .

Oh I don't maybe the fact that Dooku easily disposed of him early in the fight only to be killed by Anakin who just decided Dooku had to die then did it. And yes the training and experience does come into play when you know your opponent's moves inside and out and they know yours the same way it is hard to get an advantage. Cin Drallig is the order's battle master meaning he helped train more than just anakin so there is no way he would no anakin's moves like obiwan would. Plus you don't know how many times he even helped train anikan. And then obiwan's ligthsaber style is more a defensive style meanig it prolongs the duel.

Oh I don't maybe the fact that Dooku easily disposed of him early in the fight only to be killed by Anakin who just decided Dooku had to die then did it.

ABC Logic and any way Dooku disposed of obi wan with force not saber combat

And yes the training and experience does come into play when you know your opponent's moves inside and out and they know yours the same way it is hard to get an advantage.

well I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Your sayin they both new each other inside out so what is the point of sayin Obi Wan new anakins moves in the first place?

Cin Drallig is the order's battle master meaning he helped train more than just anakin so there is no way he would no anakin's moves like obiwan would. Plus you don't know how many times he even helped train anikan. And then obiwan's ligthsaber style is more a defensive style meanig it prolongs the duel.

i never said he new Anakin the same way obi wan did but he would certainly be more familar with anakin then lets say Dooku and while Anakin does beat Dooku rather easily he absolutley wipes his ass with Cin Drallig.

Outclassed is outclassed period. if Anakin truly outclassed Obi wan then the most Oni wan's knowledge of Anakin would have done is frustrate Anakin for a little while But eventually the gap in talent(wich obviously does'nt exist) would have manifested it's self and Obi Wan would have lost.

Originally posted by jole bindo
Oh I don't maybe the fact that Dooku easily disposed of him early in the fight only to be killed by Anakin who just decided Dooku had to die then did it.

ABC Logic and any way Dooku disposed of obi wan with force not saber combat

And yes the training and experience does come into play when you know your opponent's moves inside and out and they know yours the same way it is hard to get an advantage.

well I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Your sayin they both new each other inside out so what is the point of sayin Obi Wan new anakins moves in the first place?

Cin Drallig is the order's battle master meaning he helped train more than just anakin so there is no way he would no anakin's moves like obiwan would. Plus you don't know how many times he even helped train anikan. And then obiwan's ligthsaber style is more a defensive style meanig it prolongs the duel.

i never said he new Anakin the same way obi wan did but he would certainly be more familar with anakin then lets say Dooku and while Anakin does beat Dooku rather easily he absolutley wipes his ass with Cin Drallig.

Outclassed is outclassed period. if Anakin truly outclassed Obi wan then the most Oni wan's knowledge of Anakin would have done is frustrate Anakin for a little while But eventually the gap in talent(wich obviously does'nt exist) would have manifested it's self and Obi Wan would have lost.

First of all you need to learn how to quote things. Makes it easier to respond to. Dooku is a better swordsman the Drallig in the first place. One he trained him he knows how to counter anankin's moves which prolongs the duel, and anakin knows obiwan's moves too which meas he knows how to counter them. Two mustafar comes into play because of the lava fields and the buildings collapsing so that made the duel longer. Plus Obiwan's lightsaber style is the defensive style meaning the duels are more prolonged. Combine all the factors and of course Obiwan would last rather long,

Personally i see anakin taking this in just a saber duel seeing that he tooled dooku on the invisible hand and he is lethel if he is in "the zone".

If this is a force fight revan squashes him.

Overall fight? Depends. If revan strikes with the force before anakin starts hammering away. He wins but if anakin constantly rampages on revan with his lightsaber , revan wouldnt have a split second to use the force and instead will keep defending against the barrage of anakins djem so which in time he should go down. Not saying it will be easy but it will be a tough one

^agreed.(I'm just let you know Jole Bindo, Revan is my fav. character)

Originally posted by Darth Hord
First of all you need to learn how to quote things. Makes it easier to respond to. Dooku is a better swordsman the Drallig in the first place. One he trained him he knows how to counter anankin's moves which prolongs the duel, and anakin knows obiwan's moves too which meas he knows how to counter them.

Once again i'm not sure if your arguing against me or making my point for me. Cin dralliig knew Anakin better than dooku but Dooku was a better swordsman hense why he lasted longer. Your original staement was along the lines of Anakin would have butchered Obi Wan but Obi Wan knew all of Anakins moves.

My Cin Drallig refrence is just showing you that knowing your oppenent will not make up for an incredible gap in ability

Two mustafar comes into play because of the lava fields and the buildings collapsing so that made the duel longer. Plus Obiwan's lightsaber style is the defensive style meaning the duels are more prolonged.

well the environment will all ways come into factor if you decide to use it and any way in order for the environment to be a valid excuse for obi wan's victory you must show how the environment provided Obi wan with an advantage while Anakin received nothing.

Combine all the factors and of course Obiwan would last rather long,

Once agin outclassed is outclassed if Obi Wan were outclassed the only way any of this would matter is if Anakin was either
1. previously injured
2. or anakin was holding back against Obi Wan

Originally posted by jole bindo
Once again i'm not sure if your arguing against me or making my point for me. Cin dralliig knew Anakin better than dooku but Dooku was a better swordsman hense why he lasted longer. Your original staement was along the lines of Anakin would have butchered Obi Wan but Obi Wan knew all of Anakins moves.

My Cin Drallig refrence is just showing you that knowing your oppenent will not make up for an incredible gap in ability

If you trained someone for YEARS AND YEARS then you know each other inside and out and it makes it harder to find and advantage. The same thing basically happened when Darth Bane faught Kasim in POD. Bane knew all the moves kaism had with a doublebladed lightsaber then whne it was cut in two Kasim gained the advantage because he never really saw it used that way.

well the environment will all ways come into factor if you decide to use it and any way in order for the environment to be a valid excuse for obi wan's victory you must show how the environment provided Obi wan with an advantage while Anakin received nothing.

I guessed you miss them fighting on 2 very small platforms on the lava river making it harder to gain an advantage. Then obiwan jumped to the HIGH GROUND meaning anakin would have a harder time fighting uphill. Ankin had to try and impossible jump obwian warned him not to try it. But he did and lost the duel. Had it been on even ground obiwan would have lost.
Also note that real life the highground is very important(gettysburg and bunker hill)

Obiwan chose to use the high ground(the field terrain) to get the advantage that ultimately led to his victory.

I gtg but i'll respond to what u post later tonight. Till then.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
If you trained someone for YEARS AND YEARS then you know each other inside and out and it makes it harder to find and advantage. The same thing basically happened when Darth Bane faught Kasim in POD. Bane knew all the moves kaism had with a doublebladed lightsaber then whne it was cut in two Kasim gained the advantage because he never really saw it used that way.

I don't know me and you seem to be at an impass here. While the training does come into factor for both Anakin and Obi Wan(something i think you are ignoring) as it will give insight on how to counter moves and what not ( this never was what I was arguing against)it will only mean something if you have the ability to atleast contend with your oponent

😂 I can't believe this is still being discussed after so many posts. As I've said before, this is a tough fight for both.
In a saber fight, Anakin probably takes it, but not easily. He will have a lot of trouble with Revan, but I doubt Revan could defeat Dooku [at least with the ease Anakin did].
In a Force battle, Revan without a doubt. I'd say Revan is slightly below Sidious/Yoda in the Force, but definitely above the likes of Dooku, therefore, above any other PT character.
Overall, it's a difficult call. I'm tempted to say Revan because he's my favourite character, but it depends. If Revan is smart enough and realizes he's no match for Anakin on saber combat, he'll most probably try to get out of reach of Anakin's saber and use the Force. If he's succesful, he may be able to win, if not, he most likely loses.