The Current UN vs. The Classic Beyonder.

Originally posted by Supreme being
Also i just noticed an error in this post, are you stating that the LT now possess the power of a million multiverses?

I say the LT is way beyond millions of multiverses. The LT is over the Omniverse, which is Infinite multiverses.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I also know that the LT back then has been retconned. The minute they retconned the beyonder, they also made the LT infinitely more powerful. You do realize this right? THe LT has said on panel THAT NONE are above him save the one above all. SO classic LT is a shade of what the current LT is.

Originally posted by Supreme being
Also i just noticed an error in this post, are you stating that the LT now possess the power of a million multiverses?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I say the LT is way beyond millions of multiverses. The LT is over the Omniverse, which is Infinite multiverses.

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Originally posted by Galan007
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I'd look over the Quasar scan one more time before you "laugh your ass off". 🙄

Quasar never once says that the UN's power is confined to one Universe, he simply remarks that the UN could easily destroy the Universe he was in. doped

Originally posted by Supreme being
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Your making smiley's doesn't negate the fact that it's true. The LT held mega verses in his hand like they were playthings. You honestly Think The LT isn't far beyond millions of times more powerful than a mere multiverse? Are you kidding? what are you smoking? Can I have some? The LT is stronger than the Omniverse. The LT is the judge of all reality. Meaning he is more powerful than the Pre retconned beyonder could ever be.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Which tells us that Quasar is telling us how much energy the UN is putting out. If it were multiverse, Quasar being cosmic would have said this. HE DIDN"T. And even still, you are ignoring the fact that the beyonder used much of his power to kill death. The UN could kill MULTIDEATH AND RESET HER SAME AS MULTIETERNITY.

And the latter part of your post is of no concern to me, as it is not what I am debating at this point in time. doped

Originally posted by Galan007
So now you're trying to tell me that Quasar specifically says the power in the UN is only enough to destroy one Universe? 😕

And the latter part of your post is of no concern to me, as it is not what I am debating at this point in time. doped

Well go to the other thread, the classic Un vs the Current Un if you wanna debate that.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your making smiley's doesn't negate the fact that it's true. The LT held mega verses in his hand like they were playthings. You honestly Think The LT isn't far beyond millions of times more powerful than a mere multiverse? Are you kidding? what are you smoking? Can I have some? The LT is stronger than the Omniverse. The LT is the judge of all reality. Meaning he is more powerful than the Pre retconned beyonder could ever be.

So this would preety much make the IG multiversal as well as the LT had to think if he had the means of stoping the IG you do realise wha tyour saying right?

Originally posted by Supreme being
So this would preety much make the IG multiversal as well as the LT had to think if he had the means of stoping the IG you do realise wha tyour saying right?

NO. I surmise the The IG was supreme of one reality. Thus making it the final judge of that reality and The LT had to figure away around that. THat would be like One county in a state having thier own laws. The state's attorney would still be the man in charge, but have no authority in that county. Until he figures out a way around that counties laws by passing a bigger mandate that that county, can no longer make it's own laws. This is what the LT did. The IG was never multiversal in the sense that it could kill or take over multieternity. The IG saga specifically says that the user takes ETERNITY"s place. Not multieternity.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO. I surmise the The IG was supreme of one reality. Thus making it the final judge of that reality and The LT had to figure away around that. THat would be like One county in a state having thier own laws. The state's attorney would still be the man in charge, but have no authority in that county. Until he figures out a way around that counties laws by passing a bigger mandate that that county, can no longer make it's own laws. This is what the LT did. The IG was never multiversal in the sense that it could kill or take over multieternity. The IG saga specifically says that the user takes ETERNITY"s place. Not multieternity.

And yet an incomplete IG negated the energies of the UN , and before you start the crap about classic UN and new one i think you should provide the issue these differences were stated.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
OK if the beyonder had all this power, how come the UN could do so much more than the beyonder.

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THe beyonder used most of his power killing death.

Not True.

Beyonder used alot of his power but NOT "most" ...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But the beyonder couldn't kill anything after he killed death. He had to kill someone who was "WILLING" to die.

Not True.

Beyonder KILLED Dave, not because Dave was "Willing" to die, but because Beyonder was ABLE to kill him.

The "Willing" part that you're confused about for NOT Reading the Comic,

is referring to DEATH.

Dave was "Willing" to become the New Multi-Death.

This had NOTHING to do with Beyonder's capacity to KILL.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NOt just the destructive power, but the creating power. The Marvel Multiverse is much more powerful and Larger than when the beyonder was around.

The Multiverse is the same Multiverse as before.

"Infinite"

The only thing that's changed are characters that have been added to Marvel.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NOt the same UN. The Un you are referring to was said on panel by quasar to posses the destructive power over a universe.

Not True,

Quasar said he could wipe out the Universe by mistake (without even trying)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Beyonder is no where near the current LT.

I disagree.

Beyonder created an Infinite Universe, that expanded into a MULTIVERSE that covered EVERYTHING OUTSIDE the Marvel Multiverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
the current lt can destroy and shap megaverses.

True.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The classic beyonder could barely kill Death.

False.

Beyonder erased Death from the existence of the Multiverse (Omniverse THEN)

and then Re-Created a New Multi-Death, through Dave.

Beyonder used alot of power to do so, but he still got the job done in an instant.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And the IG did NOT stop the Current UN. only the classic one.

Where is it stated that the UN was retconned?

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Quasar said on panel how much energy the UN was wielding at the time. Universal destruction. NOT MULTIVERSAL.

Quasar NEVER said "how much" energy the UN was wielding.

Nice try.

Originally posted by starlock
hey there,is not said that Sentry is supposed to have the power of a millon exploding suns?
we would still compare feats and such if he was in a versus match against supes or somebody in his class,
but A MILLION EXPLODING SUNS 😱

Sentry should be up there with galactus and friends

Seriuosly i am going to check the respect threads

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Again with analogies that don't fit the debate.

Sentry? Whatever.

Beyonder created a Universe that was over 20 Quintillion times greater than the Marvel Multiverse.

How did I come across this figure?

From the proper Analogy provided by Jim Shooter:

Beyonder's Universe was an Ocean,

The Marvel Multiverse was a DROP of Water in comparison.

So yea, it's definitively FACT, that Beyonder was MILLIONS of Times more powerful than the rest of the Multiverse combined.

😱 (back at cha)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The beyonder USE A LARGE PORTION OF HIS POWER TO KILL DEATH.

You have NO idea what amount of power Beyonder used.

All we know, is that it was alot.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Let's say it was multideath. Wouldn't multideath be the equal to multi Eternity? The UN Erased Multieternity and replaced it, all better, like it was nothing in an instant. This alone shows the UN truly had more power than the classic Beyonder.

Multi-Death in 1984 = Omniversal Death.

Now you see the difference.

Originally posted by Galan007
What's with all of these little tirades today?

And why do you persist in making things up?

Can you provide a single panel of what you call the "Classic UN", which depicts or describes it's power being confined to one Universe?

I'd bet you can't.

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The ebyonder is the one who said most of his power was gone into that cup.

You keep on repeating this and it's bull shit ...

Beyonder said ALOT of his power went into that cup, NOT most.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I also know that the LT back then has been retconned. The minute they retconned the beyonder, they also made the LT infinitely more powerful. You do realize this right?

Total fallacy.

No where ON Panel or in a bio, is it stated that LT has been retconned.

Nor is there any reason On Panel or in a Bio for us to believe LT was retconned.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THe LT has said on panel THAT NONE are above him save the one above all. SO classic LT is a shade of what the current LT is.

Beyonder was more powerful than anything or anyone in his PRE era.

The reason LT said no one save TOAA is above him, is because well ...

Classic Beyonder doesn't exist anymore. 🙂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I say the LT is way beyond millions of multiverses. The LT is over the Omniverse, which is Infinite multiverses.

Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Millionjs of times more Powerful than the Multiverse.

In 1984 the Multiverse was the Omniverse in Marvel.

That equates to Beyonder being Millions of times more powerful than the Omniverse.