Would you still Worship Christ if....

Originally posted by FeceMan
*Sighs.*

All of my internal plumbing works fine. Not that it's any of your business.

Well, seeing as how you are the Feces man, I'd take your word for it. No one knows more about internal plumbing than yourself 😉

And secondly, I'm trying to help you here...I am your freind. I think your Virginity (whether intentional or a result of the fact that you can't get any) is the reason you are so uptight. I do not want you to suffer any longer.

That is why I am Orgasmist. I want you to be free....

BE FREE FECEMAN ! LET YOU ORGASM FLOW ! 😄

I think you just like to use the words "cum" and "flow"

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I think you just like to use the words "cum" and "flow"

dd

Mods please close this thread...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[b]Mods please close this thread... [/B]

IMHO This is still a good thread.

How ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
How ?

Originally posted by marcu
JIA...it is a hypothetical question. You must view it that way. I believe and you believe that there is a God. But if one comes into this forum and chooses to answer someones post, they must take the post for what it is...in this case hypothetical. Really think on this one JIA. It's a good question..even for believers of God.

That is true...okay, mods leave this thread open...delete the others i requested

It's true that Christianity is based on Jesus rising from the grave. So, hypothetically if what Lord Urzien suggests would come to pass...

Wow.

*thinks a bit*

I believe in science. I know that things can be proved by it. I can be right with myself religiously and think that perhaps God set into motion evolution, or whatever. So if science proved that Jesus was JUST a man, incontrovertably, mind, I would believe it.

Jesus is the Christ because he is both fully human and fully divine. His teachings were revolutionary, this is what angered the Pharisees and eventually were his downfall. His teachings led to his death, and eventual resurrection. If Jesus were not Christ, if he were only fully man, his teachings would still be there. They would still be revolutionary. He would still have taught about great love, and how one should extend that love to others through feeding them, clothing them, comforting them, etc. While I would not worship this man, I would be very glad that he exsisted.

I suppose I would be an agnostic then. Not really believing in anything specifically, but thinking that there's a higher purpose for us all than running around here on earth like a bunch of frightened ants. I'm not really far off from that right now, it's just that my "higher power" is directed toward a benevolent, loving God, so I suppose I wouldn't be thrown too off course. I don't know if it would be a "believing in" or more of a "knowing of and following" though, if Jesus was proven to be not divine.

God. What a mind twister.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
😆 [b]OH YES I AM THE ANTI CHRIST ! FEAR ME KMC !!!! I AM HERE TO DESTROY ALL OF YOU !!! 😈

GET REAL WHOB....seriously, you are such a zealot tool....

I just LOVE how you assume you know exactly what another's intentions are, and I LOVE how you always assume you know exactly what goes on in the minds of others..

How you claim we all "inheritantly" know that God truly exists, how you claim homosexuality is chosen by all homosexuals, how you will ignore all of our POV's and replace them with your own perceptions of good/evil, right/wrong, logic/reason.

You're pathetic 👇

This question is not aimed as bashing Jesus...

I've said OVER AND OVER I beleive Jesus Christ was a great man, like Buddha, but I think people who claim to folllow Christ do not truly know what that even means, and only beleive what they were taught for various reasons...

The question is aimed at questioning Christians, not Christ.

I wanted to know if CHRISTIANS would abandon Christ, someone they claim to love so0o0o much if he happened to be human.

Aparently, most of you would...which I find pathetic. Most of you Christians would abandon your beloved figure just because he doesn't have magical powers...which is sad.

As a Buddhist I admire and respect Buddha, and he being human does not interfere with that. I love my mother, my family, my freinds, my lovers, this world, animals, etc.

Nothing will change that. I love everyone for who they are (i may not like what people do or think, but i will never hate someone for who they are, nor abandon them so)

You even stated you would turn your back on Christ if he didn't truly resurrect from the dead. There goes his teachings, his word, his majesty, his influence on your life...all out the window, because you find out he has no magical powers....WOW

That say A LOT about YOU and your perceptions of LOYALTY [/B]

Your words and actions speak volumes about your intentions, your motives. You are correct about one thing though, it is not up to me to decide what your underlying intentions and motivations are. I simply go by what I have observed.

As far as your other argument goes, I never stated that I would abandon Christ, or any person that I knew that taught a false doctrine. But I wouldn't continue to follow them, and I would do my best to try and lead others away from such a false doctrine.

It would be extremely difficult for me to immediately express much love for an individual who purposely manipulated myself and others to follow such a doctrine, however, I'm certain I'd still love them - as well as forgive them at some point, but it wouldn't be an immediate forgiveness though.

So in the end, I would continue to search for truth - with the hope that the person who had led me astray from it, would also seek to find truth again some day, and not continue to purposely mislead others away from it.

Originally posted by Thundar
Your words and actions speak volumes about your intentions, your motives. You are correct about one thing though, it is not up to me to decide what your underlying intentions and motivations are. I simply go by what I have observed.

Fair Enough, but as you can see, as of yesterday my outlook on the subject has changed from being personal to being objective.

Originally posted by Thundar
As far as your other argument goes, I never stated that I would abandon Christ, or any person that I knew that taught a false doctrine. But I wouldn't continue to follow them, and I would do my best to try and lead others away from such a false doctrine.

I didn't say you would, but others have. Quiero Mota says he would no longer be Christian if Christ was proven to just have been human.

His teachings of tolerance and love should still apply regardless of whether he is God or Human.

Originally posted by Thundar
It would be extremely difficult for me to immediately express much love for an individual who purposely manipulated myself and others to follow such a doctrine, however, I'm certain I'd still love them - as well as forgive them at some point, but it wouldn't be an immediate forgiveness though.

Just because he is proven to be human, does not necessarily mean he manipulated people. He might have truly thought he was God, or part God, or perhaps his original words were twisted and mythologized beyond his control after his death.

In fact, according to many Theologic Historians, much of the Bible was fabricated before and after the death of Christ due to inconsistancies with recorded History. It's also hard to decipher between literal fact and metaphor.

The Council of Nicea actually editted the Bible, omitting many Gospels, only including four. There is much more to the Bible then what you see and read today. Many books were not included.

Human Beings wrote the Bible. Human Beings with different perspectives and biases. It's pretty clear. But that does NOT invalidate God or Jesus....so I would hope you are mature enough to look at the Bible objectively, and recognize when you see a flaw, contradiction, or inconsistancy...and not take it so seriously.

God and Jesus are NOT dependent on the Bible....it's vise versa.....

Originally posted by Thundar
So in the end, I would continue to search for truth - with the hope that the person who had led me astray from it, would also seek to find truth again some day, and not continue to purposely mislead others away from it.

Why does "the truth" matter so much to you? You may go your entire life without ever finding it. Your quality of life should matter more to you. Wouldn't you rather enjoy your life with the people you love, doing whatever good you can, and then dying knowing that you lived a great and productive life....then to die never having been able to find your truth, and wasting decades in search ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I didn't say you would, but others have. Quiero Mota says he would no longer be Christian if Christ was proven to just have been human.

His teachings of tolerance and love should still apply regardless of whether he is God or Human.

Just because he is proven to be human, does not necessarily mean he manipulated people. He might have truly thought he was God, or part God, or perhaps his original words were twisted and mythologized beyond his control after his death.

I guess I inadvertently overlooked the "proved fully human" part of your argument. If he was proven to be fully human, then it wouldn't contradict the gospels any. The scriptures already inform us that Christ was fully human yet fully divine -- thus being the reason why he's referred to as the "son of man" as well as referred to as the "son of god" throughout the scriptures.

Having at one time been a "Christian" you would obviously know this. Which brings me back to the whole vieled question argument again. I don't mind discussion and asking hypothetical questions, but I don't like when people try to purposely conceal things or cleverly word hypothetical scenarios they're presenting, specifically when such things are done for the distinct purpose of disparaging a particular person or group of individuals.

Such a debating style is childish, and it does little other than prove to myself and others, that the person engaging in such silly antics - has little faith in their beliefs, and the "god" that they follow. Which is exactly why I have turned away from expressing my beliefs in such a fashion within this forum.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Why does "the truth" matter so much to you? You may go your entire life without ever finding it. Your quality of life should matter more to you. Wouldn't you rather enjoy your life with the people you love, doing whatever good you can, and then dying knowing that you lived a great and productive life....then to die never having been able to find your truth, and wasting decades in search ?

Living a great productive life isn't just about making myself happy. It's about sacrifice. Not just a vain-glorious type sacrifice, but the sacrifice one goes through when they know they've done nothing wrong and know that their intentions are loving - yet still continue to go through pain in an effort to see others happy.

You, myself, and everyone are all alive because of "Truth" and because of sacrifice. This being stated, I could never be happy or content with this life - knowing that someone else had to suffer so miserably for the sake of my own happiness. If you could truly stand idly by and be content with yourself and with this life - knowing that others were silently suffering for the sake of your own happiness - and not in anyway attempt to assist or help out that individual who loves you, and is silently suffering to ensure your happiness, then that says a lot about you, as well as a lot about the type of god that you follow.

Originally posted by Thundar
I guess I inadvertently overlooked the "proved fully human" part of your argument. If he was proven to be fully human, then it wouldn't contradict the gospels any. The scriptures already inform us that Christ was fully human yet fully divine -- thus being the reason why he's referred to as the "son of man" as well as referred to as the "son of god" throughout the scriptures.

I meant Christ without the Divinity 🙄

Originally posted by Thundar
Having at one time been a "Christian" you would obviously know this. Which brings me back to the whole vieled question argument again. I don't mind discussion and asking hypothetical questions, but I don't like when people try to purposely conceal things or cleverly word hypothetical scenarios they're presenting, specifically when such things are done for the distinct purpose of disparaging a particular person or group of individuals.

You should take your own advice Whob....that is exactly what you do when you yourself refer to Homosexuality and Buddhism, as well as Atheism.

Originally posted by Thundar
Such a debating style is childish, and it does little other than prove to myself and others, that the person engaging in such silly antics - has little faith in their beliefs, and the "god" that they follow. Which is exactly why I have turned away from expressing my beliefs in such a fashion within this forum.

Childish you say ? You mean like.....utilizing SOCK ACCOUNTS 😱

Come on Whodamandog, we all know who you are.....you're arguments are as hypocritical as ever. In my last post to you, I addressed you with as much respect as possible, without trying to insult your Faith.

And now, instead of appreciating and answering the questions objectively, you make a personal attack trying to antagonize me with your little accusations...do you ever change ? 😬

Originally posted by Thundar
Living a great productive life isn't just about making myself happy. It's about sacrifice. Not just a vain-glorious type sacrifice, but the sacrifice one goes through when they know they've done nothing wrong and know that their intentions are loving - yet still continue to go through pain in an effort to see others happy.

I agree....Buddhism teaches exactly that...what is your point ?

Originally posted by Thundar
You, myself, and everyone are all alive because of "Truth" and because of sacrifice. This being stated, I could never be happy or content with this life - knowing that someone else had to suffer so miserably for the sake of my own happiness. If you could truly stand idly by and be content with yourself and with this life - knowing that others were silently suffering for the sake of your own happiness - and not in anyway attempt to assist or help out that individual who loves you, and is silently suffering to ensure your happiness, then that says a lot about you, as well as a lot about the type of god that you follow.

Wow...where do I begin ?

1) Why are you putting words in my mouth ? I feel like you haven't read ANYTHING I posted....either that, or you are twisting my words into a fashion you prefer to justify antagonizing me.

2) I could not be happy knowing someone else suffered horrendously so I can be happy. You obviously don't know me.

3) I assume you are referring to Jesus Christ. There is no proof he died and was resurrected to save me "from my sins". For all I know, he could have just been a man who died for what he beleived in (like a lot of brave men and women) and legends were created around him (like they have been created around hundreds of other men and women)

4) I do not feel Jesus Christ should have died for me. I am responsible for my own wrong doing....not him. I will atone for my own wrongs, I will forgive myself, and I will help others as best I can. The happiness of others means more to me than being right, or then the truth. I thought everyone understood that after reading the thread I made recently, but apparently you aren't that quick.....

5) I do not beleive in God. Stop critisizing "my god", my god is not a person. Nature is God....end of story.

Where were we? 🤨 🤨 🤨

Everytime I manage to get back on here...I can't pick up where I left off.

*is confused*
*goes to read*

It helps if you're on continously, of cousre, that sucks time.

Jesus would slip to Muhammad like prophet status...and we would all get angry at the Pope.

Originally posted by marcu
Where were we? 🤨 🤨 🤨

Everytime I manage to get back on here...I can't pick up where I left off.

*is confused*
*goes to read*

Welcome to the Religion forum. *Offers hand.*

*Sits back, munches on pretzels and watches FeceMan and Urzein's argument continue.*

God, I love this forum. 😄

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Well, seeing as how you are the Feces man, I'd take your word for it. No one knows more about internal plumbing than yourself 😉

And secondly, I'm trying to help you here...I am your freind. I think your Virginity (whether intentional or a result of the fact that you can't get any) is the reason you are so uptight. I do not want you to suffer any longer.

That is why I am Orgasmist. I want you to be free....

[b]BE FREE FECEMAN ! LET YOU ORGASM FLOW ! 😄 [/B]

Originally posted by FeceMan
God hates me.

God really hates me.

Which is why you should abandon your Pagan Patriarichal God...and embrace the TRUE GOD WHO IS ORGASM !!!!

dd 8======D ( ( )

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Can we cut the sex crap?