Iceman vs The Flash

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Flash can never ever lose to anybody.

But I guess Bobby might win cause he's a mutie.

Hey there
I have my favorites to and i know how hard it is when they are put in a situation,that you dont see them winning

I hope i am coming across sincere when i say i think it is very big of you to even hint that bobby could win under these rules(i will take him being a mutie good enough hehe)

I respect that alot

Originally posted by starlock
yeah i think the rules clinch it for iceman,i mean i give props to the more experienced flash('s),And since its a debate i gave some wins for their Awesome feats and crafty ways they use their powers,But i dont see an argument that would lead me to beleive that they could kill him

Flash would win a solid majority without prep, but with Prep he has no real way to hurt Bobby.

So then it's a stalemate with prep. I don't think Iceman has the reaction speed to mount an attack on somebody moving faster than he can think or see.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
So then it's a stalemate with prep. I don't think Iceman has the reaction speed to mount an attack on somebody moving faster than he can think or see.

👆 I agree with that

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
So then it's a stalemate with prep. I don't think Iceman has the reaction speed to mount an attack on somebody moving faster than he can think or see.

Ice man can just effect a large area knowing flash has to try and kill him, so when flash makes his move to kill bobby and fails i think iceman can effect an area to stop flash,Iceman can see in temperatures(how he knew onslaught was there) and he can effect a large area,i really dont see a stalemate in a "to the death match"

In the respect thread bobby can be in two places at the same time,he is a part of everything,he can reform from any part of his ice(crystal)

I respect anyones opinon,but to the death seems in favor of Iceman,to me it just makes sense

Originally posted by starlock
Ice man can just effect a large area knowing flash has to try and kill him, so when flash makes his move to kill bobby and fails

Sorry, but how can Bobby know when Flash will be making his move?

Originally posted by The Pict
Sorry, but how can Bobby know when Flash will be making his move?

This is based on the fact that Flash cant kill Bobby
To answer your question
Heat patterns,movement causes friction and it has heat,Bobby sees (Onslaught coming even when he is using psionic powers to hide himself)

He can make snow and since he is a part of everything he will know when he is stepping on it

Since he is everywhere he knows where he is at all times

Thats just off the top of my head

Now you realize this is to the death? they are not playing TAG

Now are you telling me flash wont try to make the first move? is any fan going to say that? well then he has no chance at all

Bobby makes the first move and its over period.

I have read both respect threads and i would advise everyone to do the same,but hey i will respect all views 🙂

Originally posted by starlock
This is based on the fact that Flash cant kill Bobby
To answer your question
Heat patterns,movement causes friction and it has heat,Bobby sees (Onslaught coming even when he is using psionic powers to hide himself)

Flash will be moving too fast to be seen

Originally posted by starlock
He can make snow and since he is a part of everything he will know when he is stepping on it

I'm pretty sure it says in the respect thread that Flash can move solid objects so who says Iceman will feel him on Snow? Also even if he does Flash will be long gone from anywhere Bobby senses him.

Originally posted by starlock
Since he is everywhere he knows where he is at all times

No, Like I just said, when Bobby Feels Flash somewhere he'll already be gone.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Forgot about that.

During those same 5 minutes Flash will be stealing all the KE on the planet and once the match starts he'll be able to pick apart wall piece by piece.

Since Flash moves much faster than thought, what happens if Flash steals so much KE that Iceman is reduced to absolute zero before he can register a thought? At that temp with no molecular motion does Iceman's consciousness cease to function?

I remember a Hulk annual where a Sentinel actually knocked Iceman out with cold blasts... funny.

Originally posted by The Pict
Flash will be moving too fast to be seen

I'm pretty sure it says in the respect thread that Flash can move solid objects so who says Iceman will feel him on Snow? Also even if he does Flash will be long gone from anywhere Bobby senses him.

No, Like I just said, when Bobby Feels Flash somewhere he'll already be gone.

OK i can play this game and have fun to 🙂

he does not have to be seen?
he wants to kill bobby right? now if the invisible man is right next to iceman and darnit he cant see him,so he effects the whole area with his power will the invisible man be unhurt just because he cant see him?

bring a better explanation about not being seen,i can think of some hehe
and not being there well he looses for leaving the battle field,oh he is running around the battle zone so fast he cant be seen? anyway iceman can effect a BIG area he will at least be subject to oppose a power from Iceman

if an area is being subject to Icemans power,and flash goes into said area there will be a chance hes affected by it,no matter how small?

i like these views that try and go around the points made,its actually fun 🙂

This is only my opinon
this can go on all day, but the fact that flash cant kill bobby,and its debateable if bobby can kill flash,maybe that will make some sense
but thats how i see it,

But hey to each his own 🙂

Originally posted by starlock
OK i can play this game and have fun to 🙂

he does not have to be seen?
he wants to kill bobby right? now if the invisible man is right next to iceman and darnit he cant see him,so he effects the whole area with his power will the invisible man be unhurt just because he cant see him?

bring a better explanation about not being seen,i can think of some hehe
and not being there well he looses for leaving the battle field,oh he is running around the battle zone so fast he cant be seen? anyway iceman can effect a BIG area he will at least be subject to oppose a power from Iceman

if an area is being subject to Icemans power,and flash goes into said area there will be a chance hes affected by it,no matter how small?

i like these views that try and go around the points made,its actually fun 🙂

This is only my opinon
this can go on all day, but the fact that flash cant kill bobby,and its debateable if bobby can kill flash,maybe that will make some sense
but thats how i see it,

But hey to each his own 🙂

I didn't really get much sense out of that.

And what's with all the smug smiling faces? You're not answering the points I brought so is there something funny I missed?

I think what he meant to say was. Iceman can freeze a large area of land in the hope that he will some how get Flash in it but i'm affraid thats not the case.

ok I think comic books don't come close to supporting what people on this forum say about super speedsters like flash and superman. i have read a few flash graphic novels and have been to the respect thread several times (same with supes and other people with superspeed) and it takes them a while to come anywhere close to light speed. Now there are some scans that I see that they go lightspeed very fast but there are more scans that i have seen where the person (like flash) has said that it takes a while to go to light speed and with great effort. that is all to say that it would be quite the fight for flash. But I think in the end he could send bobies consceincess to the speed force and the fight would be over.

Originally posted by jasofisc
ok I think comic books don't come close to supporting what people on this forum say about super speedsters like flash and superman. i have read a few flash graphic novels and have been to the respect thread several times (same with supes and other people with superspeed) and it takes them a while to come anywhere close to light speed. Now there are some scans that I see that they go lightspeed very fast but there are more scans that i have seen where the person (like flash) has said that it takes a while to go to light speed and with great effort. that is all to say that it would be quite the fight for flash. But I think in the end he could send bobies consceincess to the speed force and the fight would be over.

They have 5 minutes of prep, though, so acceleration won't be a problem.

Yes the light/super speed arguments fail to take into consideration the amount of time necessary to build up the momentum.

i am having fun debating,is that a problem for you? or anyone else?
You might want to check but i dont think there is a smug smiley to choose from

i am sincere when i say i am not choosing a smug smiley,that is your interpertation,i know its hard to get the meaning from typed words so i am just enjoying myself, i like when people try and find ways to find fault at what i am saying,it's great debating and so i actually think you might be a great debater

If you cant understand what i wrote and what i mean thats cool, i am sure there are many who can explain it,or if i have time i will

i am still having fun and will continue to unless someone gets disrespectfull,but untill then have a great time 🙂

Originally posted by starlock
i am having fun debating,is that a problem for you? or anyone else?
You might want to check but i dont think there is a smug smiley to choose from

But you're not debating with me, you ignored what I said. You didn't discuss any points I made, you completely bypassed them.

Originally posted by starlock
If you cant understand what i wrote and what i mean thats cool, i am sure there are many who can explain it,or if i have time i will

Your posts are like 40 minutes apart, I don't fancy waiting around for you to explain what you wrote. I didn't really make sense to me, that's it.

Originally posted by jasofisc
ok I think comic books don't come close to supporting what people on this forum say about super speedsters like flash and superman. i have read a few flash graphic novels and have been to the respect thread several times (same with supes and other people with superspeed) and it takes them a while to come anywhere close to light speed. Now there are some scans that I see that they go lightspeed very fast but there are more scans that i have seen where the person (like flash) has said that it takes a while to go to light speed and with great effort. that is all to say that it would be quite the fight for flash. But I think in the end he could send bobies consceincess to the speed force and the fight would be over.

i respect your views

I have stated that it is Current flash as the thread starter did not state which pages back i even broke it down,so i dont give him all the past flash's feats,but that is me being fair

Sending his consiousness into the speedforce,when bobby can hide inside flash?
it is to the Death as in Dead

Originally posted by The Pict
But you're not debating with me, you ignored what I said. You didn't discuss any points I made, you completely bypassed them.

Your posts are like 40 minutes apart, I don't fancy waiting around for you to explain what you wrote. I didn't really make sense to me, that's it.

I am posting from work..sorry

so how will bobby know when flash makes his move
simple he does not need to ok

when bobby feels flash he will allready be gone

an area effect can still hurt flash,Bobby knows the terrain for the match,there is no need to find him, or know where he is ok

Flash will move to fast to be seen

he does not need to see him ,not how his powers work as explained ok

Flash can move thru solid objects how will bobby know where he is
He does not need to as explained ok

No, Like I just said, when Bobby Feels Flash somewhere he'll already be gone
like i said he does not need to ok

did i miss something?