lol.
I really have no idea what your trying to say but Bobby can not hurt flash if he can not see him and has no idea where he is. Now due to the 5 min prep iceman can just turn to water vapour tipping the battle in his favour, you might think. However using the 5min prep Wally could go back in time and kill him when he was teh baby, FLASH WINS. xD
Originally posted by starlock
Ice man can just effect a large area knowing flash has to try and kill him, so when flash makes his move to kill bobby and fails i think iceman can effect an area to stop flash,Iceman can see in temperatures(how he knew onslaught was there) and he can effect a large area,i really dont see a stalemate in a "to the death match"In the respect thread bobby can be in two places at the same time,he is a part of everything,he can reform from any part of his ice(crystal)
I respect anyones opinon,but to the death seems in favor of Iceman,to me it just makes sense
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Yes the light/super speed arguments fail to take into consideration the amount of time necessary to build up the momentum.
Originally posted by jrodslam
5 min prep before battle. Thats means each character has BASIC knowledge of their opponent.Does 5 min prep mean Flash gets to build up speed to near lightspeed levels? No it doesnt.
Works both ways then, going by your argument Iceman can't use the prep time to transfer his conscience anywhere. As soon as the fight starts he's blitzed in less than a second.
Originally posted by The Pict
Works both ways then, going by your argument Iceman can't use the prep time to transfer his conscience anywhere. As soon as the fight starts he's blitzed in less than a second.
I know it works both ways. I never stated Iceman could instantly transfer his conscience somewhere else. HOWEVER, once the fight starts and Flash speedblitzes and shatters Bobby(which may or may not happen), thats when Iceman launches the counter attack. And that my friend is when the real fight starts.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I don't simply mean Flash will be invisible. I mean he'll be outrunning the light, even infrared light. In either spectrum he'll just be seeing streaks everywhere at best. And just blasting the place with AE is pointless. The "ice up" process would be slow that Flash could feel it and heat himself back up. Or tear holes through all the ice. Or keep shattering it with sonic booms. Maybe he can just tear ass around the planet throwing chunks into the speed force.Well, he has 5 minutes to amass stolen speed. On top of that, the gaining momentum thing is kind of iffy. Sometimes he needs to gain speed and sometimes he can drop a state where everything is completely frozen in no time.
If someone can say that flash(the Current One) can have his consiousness in any particle of kinetic energy anywhere ,and that he is everywhere at once(without the illusion he is) i might call it a stalemate
But this is Current flash who has been impulse in the past and for 8 issues in his new series with the speed force inside him,and in the first issues he has problems with his power and title,i always look at it from as many angles i can to be fair
Leaving the battlefield under ones own power disqualifies him
so if they are fighting in a football field,and iceman can effect the whole field,Flash is constantly tryin to fend off iceman,so i would say that eventually iceman stops him and can kill him
i am not just talking about ice ramps and walls he can find the moisture in flash,he knows who his opponet is,and he knows the terrain, i will say that since they dont come from the same universe that they dont know everything about eachother, thats called being fair which i am
i also am not convinced that flash can kill bobby
Originally posted by Magee
lol.I really have no idea what your trying to say but Bobby can not hurt flash if he can not see him and has no idea where he is. Now due to the 5 min prep iceman can just turn to water vapour tipping the battle in his favour, you might think. However using the 5min prep Wally could go back in time and kill him when he was teh baby, FLASH WINS. xD
OK Bobby does not have to see him or know where he is,in a versus match against one opponet,since he is everywhere and can find flashes moisture,he is only fighting flash right
or he can use area effects to get the whole area including flash
flash cannot leave the battlefield under his own power-he forfiets
So yes Bobby can hurt even KILL flash if he can not see him or even if he does not know where he is IN THE BATTLEFIELD
If i am not making sense,try the Iceman respect thread and the rules
Originally posted by HandOfFate
Hmmm...I wonder if the Flash could steal the kinetic energy from Bobby.
In my Opinon
Excellent point- so i start from there and say can he Kill Bobby?,i say no stopping kinetic movement will not stop Bobby from tranfering himself to any moisture,even inside Flash
Let it be known i am only arguing under the rules stated by thread starter,i am not saying Iceman can beat Flash-wally or barry in a standard fight every time or even the majority, maybe against Bart/flash but that is another thread 🙂
Originally posted by starlock
If someone can say that flash(the Current One) can have his consiousness in any particle of kinetic energy anywhere ,and that he is everywhere at once(without the illusion he is) i might call it a stalemate
But this is Current flash who has been impulse in the past and for 8 issues in his new series with the speed force inside him,and in the first issues he has problems with his power and title,i always look at it from as many angles i can to be fair
Leaving the battlefield under ones own power disqualifies him
so if they are fighting in a football field,and iceman can effect the whole field,Flash is constantly tryin to fend off iceman,so i would say that eventually iceman stops him and can kill him
Almost all speedsters in DC can cover the planet in seconds, but I don't see what the battlefield size has to do with anything. Except for tearing up the planet.
i am not just talking about ice ramps and walls he can find the moisture in flash
It's not a matter of "can he" find the moisture in Flash, it's "will he" be able to do anything with it. It would be impossible for Iceman to lock onto it with... well, I think with any of the Flashes since they all pretty much zipped around at lightspeeds. Maybe even current Flash, unless he sucks to the point of Quicksilver speeds.
Will Entity please specify which Flash
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Flash has to build up MOMENTUM.Flash's time building momentum is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>speed of thought.
Iceman wins
I don't know how the current one works with the whole speed force inside of him stuff, but wally during the new world arc was fighting the white Martian speedster and by the time the fight ended Flash only went close to light speed. In the mean time everyone else also had there battle with the same amount of time even though some were fighting in normal speed. so for most flashes it takes a while. however i may concied on the point of using stolen kinitic energy in the 5 min prep. but I don't know would need to hear of some instence where he uses that
Originally posted by hardesky
Two spiderman-level beings... I slightly lean towards Flash
Lets see, we have a being who can run at multiple times the speed of light, dump beings into another dimension, phase through matter and blow someone into atoms in one nanosecond... And that's just for starters.
In the other corners, we have a guy who can control all moisture on the planet, drain temperatures to absolute zero, and is effectivly immortal to almost all harm. Add in his ability to be anywhere on Earth whenever he wants, and destroy people from the inside and you've got a beginners grasp of his abilities.
That's definatly Spider-Man level.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Spider-Man level?Lets see, we have a being who can run at multiple times the speed of light, dump beings into another dimension, phase through matter and blow someone into atoms in one nanosecond... And that's just for starters.
In the other corners, we have a guy who can control all moisture on the planet, drain temperatures to absolute zero, and is effectivly immortal to almost all harm. Add in his ability to be anywhere on Earth whenever he wants, and destroy people from the inside and you've got a beginners grasp of his abilities.
That's definatly Spider-Man level.
Lol, ignore him, he's either the largest Spider-Man fanboy on the forums, or else a sock. He's been pullin this stuff on other threads too.