Originally posted by allfg
I actually think Dooku's a better swordsman than Yoda. As flashy as Yoda's fighting style is, it was pretty useless against Dooku in AotC, and I don't buy the way DR makes it seem like Yoda's leagues above Dooku, when AotC makes it pretty clear that in lightsaber combat at least, he's not. The way I see it, if they were to enter a lightsaber battle, it would remain a stalemate until Yoda tires, at which point Dooku would finish him.
Why do you seem to always feel the need to argue with canon. You always come off as looking like a complete moron when you do. AOTC makes it pretty clear that Yoda was holding back, considering the fact that he utterly demolishes Dooku in Dark Rendezvous when he had seemingly every possible advantage on his side, and again no one gives a flying f*ck in what you do or don't "buy" canon is canon, facts are facts, and your wrong.
Why do you seem to always feel the need to argue with canon.
Bcos I can.
You always come off as looking like a complete moron when you do. AOTC makes it pretty clear that Yoda was holding back, considering the fact that he utterly demolishes Dooku in Dark Rendezvous when he had seemingly every possible advantage on his side,
DR isn't canon, Tracy.
and again no one gives a flying f*ck in what you do or don't "buy" canon is canon, facts are facts, and your wrong.
Facts are boring, so I argue with them. And what?
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
considering the fact that he utterly demolishes Dooku in Dark Rendezvous when he had seemingly every possible advantage on his side.
Really? If I recall nobody got 'demolished'. Dooku and Yoda fought, Dooku actually managed to get a hit on Yoda, and then he fled. You also seem to conveniently forget that Obi-Wan and Anakin were also there, giving Yoda a considerable advantage. "You didn't mention bringing young Skywalker", Dooku said, pointing to the holomonitor. "And Obi-Wan, too". "That changes the odds considerably".
Now im hardly saying that Dooku is better, but your blatant exaggeration annoys me. In this fight Yoda is not leagues above Dooku - because he is stripped of his force abilities, which we know is his largest asset.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
You also seem to conveniently forget that Obi-Wan and Anakin were also there, giving Yoda a considerable advantage. "You didn't mention bringing young Skywalker", Dooku said, pointing to the holomonitor. "And Obi-Wan, too". "That changes the odds considerably"
And the quote continued: "...There's your Wonder Boy now, fighting the assassin droids I have standing sentry duty at the front door".
Clearly you you're just posting random excerpts that you think will somehow sway the view of others, or actually change something. Here's a hint: they won't. Obi-Wan and Anakin were busy, so they couldn't interfere with the duel at hand, anyways. In their one on one battle, those two had no effect whatsoever. On top of that, when speaking to Yoda, Dooku mentions that:
"I have at my command servants and droids and great powers of my own that I think would overwhelm even you. It is possible that at a single word, I could have you killed." (Dark Rendezvous, Ch. 11).
Oh yes, that's not a 'considerable advantage' at all. Please, fool, Dooku's outside advantages far outweigh Yoda's own (not that he had any to begin with).
Furthermore, Dooku also had the benefit of fighting on a planet that was immersed in the dark side ("but here on Vjun, steeped in the dark side, his bladework was malice made visible-wickedness cut in red light."😉, which naturally gives him more power than he would've originally had. Plus, Yoda also had to play wide receiver with Whirry, and Dooku capitalized on such a distraction; yet still couldn't kill him. Even during the duel, he wasn't nearly combating Dooku with all he had, as he states himself that he doesn't want to hurt him. Nonetheless, it's apparent that Yoda was still the superior figure in that duel through various quotes.
Edit:
And I'm not arguing that Yoda 'demolished' Dooku, or anything of the sort; merely pointing out that the circumstances were beneficial to Dooku.
Originally posted by allfg
Yoda has an unfair advantage given the movement factor of Ataru. Even if Yoda has the ability to beat Dooku, that doesn't necessarily make him universally better. My reasoning still stands, technically Dooku's miles above Yoda, he just lacks the skill.
SO Yoda had an unfair advantage from learning and mastering a certain form? What?
So Dooku's miles above Yoda, he just doesn't have the "skills"...well aren't skills what makes you better than someone, let alone miles above? Since people always cling to Dooku's experience level, here's one for you -- Dooku has slightly less than a TENTH of Yoda's experience, so miles above -- i don't think so.
And how would Yoda tired first? Just curious on that one.
SO Yoda had an unfair advantage from learning and mastering a certain form? What?
In terms of who's the better overall duelist, you have to take into consideration that Ataru is strong against Makashi. What I'm saying is that even if Yoda can beat him, that doesn't necessarily make him the better duelist, as you have to take into consideration that he has an advantage against Dooku.
So Dooku's miles above Yoda, he just doesn't have the "skills"...well aren't skills what makes you better than someone, let alone miles above?
Clearly you need to learn how to read. What I was saying was that in pure technique, Dooku is miles ahead of Yoda, however Yoda's speed and general skill bridges the gap between them.
Since people always cling to Dooku's experience level, here's one for you -- Dooku has slightly less than a TENTH of Yoda's experience, so miles above -- i don't think so.
Experience is great and all, but means little when you're out of practise. Yoda was very out of practise.
And how would Yoda tired first? Just curious on that one.
His style uses up way too much energy, whereas Dooku's conserves it.
Originally posted by vader11
Yoda can beat Dooku but cannot pwn Dooku.
Yes he could, if he can beat Dooku while half trying, distracted, and trying to turn him all the while Dooku has every possible advantage on his side short of Yoda having his hands and feet handcuffed together, that if Yoda fought seriously with Dooku he'd destroy him.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Yes he could, if he can beat Dooku while half trying, distracted, and trying to turn him all the while Dooku has every possible advantage on his side short of Yoda having his hands and feet handcuffed together, that if Yoda fought seriously with Dooku he'd destroy him.
No he couldn't.
Yes, kiddo he could.
When did Yoda beat Dooku while half trying?
Read the damn topic genius, we've said this multiple times now.
Yoda is just half to 1 level higher than Dooku in saber.
No one gives a shit about Nick Gillards "saber levels"
Anyone can explain further?(I know there are😆 )
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Yes, kiddo he could.Read the damn topic genius, we've said this multiple times now.
No one gives a shit about Nick Gillards "saber levels"
Learn to read.
Originally posted by AdventAnd I'm not arguing that Yoda 'demolished' Dooku, or anything of the sort; merely pointing out that the circumstances were beneficial to Dooku. [/B]
Good, then there is nothing to argue. My original point was that Yoda did not 'demolish' Dooku as AC put it.
Dooku's assassin droids did not intefere - but in fairness neither did Obi-Wan and Anakin. So they cancel each other out. The only real advantage Dooku had was being on Vjun. True, Yoda did not want to kill Dooku, but in retrospect it is heavily implied that Dooku did not want to kill Yoda.
Also note that Yoda was not fighting Dooku while holding on to Whirry with the force. Yoda laid her on the ground outside after the Counts first strike, so again this cannot be seen as a disadvantage on Yoda's part.
While I will agree that Yoda was winning the duel, he was not as heavily disadvantaged as has been implied and he certainly didnt demolish the Count.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
Good, then there is nothing to argue. My original point was that Yoda did not 'demolish' Dooku as AC put it.Dooku's assassin droids did not intefere - but in fairness neither did Obi-Wan and Anakin. So they cancel each other out. The only real advantage Dooku had was being on Vjun. True, Yoda did not want to kill Dooku, but in retrospect it is heavily implied that Dooku did not want to kill Yoda.
Also note that Yoda was not fighting Dooku while holding on to Whirry with the force. Yoda laid her on the ground outside after the Counts first strike, so again this cannot be seen as a disadvantage on Yoda's part.
While I will agree that Yoda was winning the duel, he was not as heavily disadvantaged as has been implied and he certainly didnt demolish the Count.
Originally posted by vader11
No no no, he couldn't 😆
All the things you said are just useless, no points. At least provide some facts or examples.
You've worn on my patience, I did you damn retard, as did Advent, learn to read little guy. I think we have our newest candidate for:
You should really go to this site I think it'll help out with your "condition".
And I could type out a long response addressing every how Yoda would absolutely destroy Dooku, but it would be redundant my few sentences do just the same and quite frankly your hardly worth the very little brain activity it would take to rip you apart.
Agree. Yoda couldn't pwn Dooku in a saber duel...
That doesn't say Dooku wouldn't get shitted on by a serious Yoda, Jesus Christ just close your account dip shit.
Good, then there is nothing to argue. My original point was that Yoda did not 'demolish' Dooku as AC put it.
I might have embellished it a tad
While I will agree that Yoda was winning the duel, he was not as heavily disadvantaged as has been implied and he certainly didnt demolish the Count.
Again I did embellish it but are you seriously going to sit here and say Yoda wouldn't destroy Dooku in a "serious" saber fight.