and by the way...I do like Will, alot....just becaue I don't think he is the most correct choice for Elizabeth...especially since he's going to be imortal and all that, I do like Will...and I really like that they are bringing him and Jack back together again....and btw, Surreal, if it should end J/E...believe me, he's not going to be her "second" choice...
Originally posted by Surreal_44
I somewhat doubt that the movie is based entirely on existential themes. And I already know basically how the movie ends; I don't think Will is going to be making the decision that you seem to think he is, although I admit there is a small possibility that they would go in the opposite direction.Basically, I think that Will and Elizabeth get married. And I think that Elizabeth will choose to wait for Will, even if he suggests to her that he deosn't expect her to wait for him.
I can't view the kiss as anything other than Will and Elizabeth confirming their feelings for each other in the middle of this battle, when they might be killed, so I find it hard to believe that if Will survives, even as Captain of the Dutchman, that Elizabeth would simply walk away.
I also don't think that she would end up with Jack because Will leaves her behind despite her choice to stay faithful to him. If the writers did that I would be severely disappointed, because although I am not a big fan of Jack Sparrow, I would not want him to be 'second' because Elizabeth couldn't be with her first choice.
But that's just me. I could be entirely wrong, of course, but a logical conclusion to reach is that Will and Elizabeth are going to end up together, in some form. I think it's important to remind yourselves of that, not to be mean, but to keep yourself from being too disappointed and disillusioned when the film comes out.
Oh, and [b]Savvy
, I did read the novel, but I don't enjoy existentialism and I don't really 'get' philosophy in general, so it's hard for me to view the novel in anything other than the most straight-forward of terms. 😄 Perhaps I'm totally missing something here, but I think I'd almost be disappointed if the films were based solely on some vague philosophical view instead of just being a fun film. 😄 [/B]
No one said I'd be disappointed. If the characters all turned into the flying monkeys, I'd say I'd probably still like the movie even though I'd question the character development. 😉
I'm not that difficult to please. And to be fair, the same can also be said of W/E, whether you think you know the ending or not 🙂
It's too bad that you don't like existential philosophy because the writers mention it when they talk about POTC frequently on Wordplayer. But, to each his own; the film will be fun no matter what happens and every one gets out of it what they will.
I didn't know that you had posted it Willo. I will gladly take a look right now 🙂
^^^that's what i'm saying....the problem is will w/e shippers be happy if it's j/e...i already know as a j/e shipper i can accept a w/e ending, but can they....because Terry said that by the end of the film the two ships will come together and be cheering for the most correct choice, together.....now I know what i have in mind....but i'm not gonna say.....oh well....Happy Pirating everyone.....
Maybe I'm stupid, but what exactly is existential philosophy and how does one read a book in such a way?
According to dictionary
Existentialism: based on the doctrine that existence takes precedence over essence and holds that man is totally free and responsible for his acts, and that this responsibility is the source of the dread and anguish that encompass him.
So if a book is written that way, does that mean it's 3rd person objective, where it's more like a documentary rather than bothering to go into anyone's head?
Originally posted by lovethemtigers
jack will not be elizabeth's second choice, so, no worries, Surreal
i''m quoting myself but i hope you guys realize what i meant by this....Jack will not be Elizabeth's second choice.....Elizabeth makes the most correct choice....the audience, both ships will come together and be cheering in the end........ 😉
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Maybe I'm stupid, but what exactly is existential philosophy and how does one read a book in such a way?According to dictionary
Existentialism: based on the doctrine that existence takes precedence over essence and holds that man is totally free and responsible for his acts, and that this responsibility is the source of the dread and anguish that encompass him.
So if a book is written that way, does that mean it's 3rd person objective, where it's more like a documentary rather than bothering to go into anyone's head?
Exilstenialism is a philosophy that has several different portions to it, and it's a little murky to navigate. It's a twentieth century philosophy which at its heart essentially states that we don't have control over our lives, and that no matter what we do, we have an inescapable fate. (Touch of destiny, if you will.)
So, essentially existence (life) takes precendence over essence (our beings, what makes us tick or in this instance, our choices).
In otherwords, the life has rule over our choices. Meaning that while Will may genuinely choose to not stab the heart, his pre-destined life takes essence over it.
Does that make more sense?
And not every post modern book is written in the existential style. If you want a few recommendations, try Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut, or the play Rosencranz and Guildenstern are dead by Tom Stoppard.
Another part of exilstentialism is that modern man is essentially already dead in a figurative sense before he ever sets foot in the grave.
Think Davy Jones...
Awwww Im sorry Loves!
but this is putting it all together....spoilers right?....well i happen to think that Jack and Liz are a spoiler in itself!!!
Look loves i mean No harm....really i dont and im not trying to stir up trouble....Honest!
*looks around* No one is argueing with me...if it bothers u just ignore my post....Thats what happens most of the time anyways!
But to let u have it ur way....fine i'll go post in the Sparrabeth thread!!! Forgive ME! I didnt get the Note that there were new Moderators in town!