Originally posted by Minie Mina
P for Property of Melina Cordero (me) giggle.Ok seriously! From bucket head's P brand stick..thing.
Yes, but how? That's what I meant to ask.
How is it that Jack winds up with the P? How does he manage to defeat Beckett? Why does he take the P?
Those types of questions. I'm trying to figure out where he has time to retrieve the P during the course of the jam packed plot of AWE.
Originally posted by savvysparrow
Yes, but how? That's what I meant to ask.How is it that Jack winds up with the P? How does he manage to defeat Beckett? Why does he take the P?
Those types of questions. I'm trying to figure out where he has time to retrieve the P during the course of the jam packed plot of AWE.
There is a picture of Jack with that P brand dangling on his bandana. On how he got it is stil la little confusing. The rumor was that he rescued Elizabeth from getting branded by Beckett. He shot the stick with the P (somehow that doesn't sound right) and he took the P as to remember that he was and always will be a pirate by heart. Pure speculation...
You're probably on the money for the most part.
My guess is that since the later half of AWE is mostly unknown to us, that it occurs during or directly after the battle. Somehow, during the course of the battle, Elizabeth must be taken captive aboard the Endeavor. I would imagine that since Beckett knows that Elizabeth is:
a) the Pirate King
b) a natural leader
c) important to both Jack and Will that he will more than likely attempt to take her hostage.
In fact, I'm going to take a guess that if such a scene did exist, it was foreshadowed by Beckett's veiled threats to Jack earlier during AWE. Notice that the writers leave hints about Jack's past, but don't reveal the whole back story. Since most of the casual viewers aren't aware of his history, I would imagine that somewhere during the course of the movie, we'll find out more about Beckett's insinuations.
So, what better place for him to reveal it than by drawing the parallels between Jack's history and Elizabeth's before he brands her a pirate?
So pulling it all together with the course of the battle.
1) The pirates start to lose badly
2) Jack and Davy are fighting in the mast for the heart
3) Elizabeth and Will are on the deck, some how, Elizabeth is taken captive
4) Jack manages to steal the heart away from Davy and is prepared to stab it, but Will is wounded
5) He forces Will to stab the heart to save his life, they come up with a plan.
To win the battle, Will goes to fetch the dead pirates in order to defeat the armada. Jack goes to rescue Elizabeth
6) Jack gets to the Endeavor, Beckett is prepared to brand Elizabeth a pirate forever, Jack interrupts by shooting the p off the branding stick.
7) They probably fight, somehow Jack and Elizabeth escape, Will blows the Endeavor and Beckett to smythereens when he takes control of the Dutchman.
I have the giggles right now and I don't know why.
Anyways that is a good theory/speculation. Call me crazy...I thought I saw a P when Jack was with the strumpets. You can't actually really tell since he's wearing his hat..duh.
Again, the rescuing Elizabeth is pure speculation. It would make sense in a way that Jack has rescued Elizabeth quiet a few times...again, we are not sure. I'm trying to stay neutral meself.
Ha, that's true. It's best to stay neutral. He is wearing the P in the strumpet scene, which to me looks like a scene that's toward the close of the film, hence the theory.
It's quite possible that Elizabeth is in no danger from Beckett what-so-ever and Jack is finally so fed up with his evil shinanigans that he decides to take him to task.
However, I think it highly unlikely. Maybe it's the sparrabether in me speaking, but from a writing stance, it'd be more intense to see Jack rescue someone from being branded a pirate than just seeing him square off with Beckett all by his onesies. It's possible that he saves Will from that fate, but I don't think it'd have the same dramatic effect. Let me see if I can pull up that villanous scene up where Beckett is threatening Jack in a subtle way.
Ok, we saw the pix back in Sept '06 of Jack with the "P" on his bandana and with a shrunken head on the left side of his belt. Ummmm, I think it is ol Beckett. I also believe that for Beckett to hate Jack so much there is alot more back story like maybe they were cousins competing for the love of a grandfather and he favored Jack over Beckett. Even Norrington who wants to take out the last pirate in the Carribean does not show the intense hatred for Jack that Beckett does. Beckett has done nothing but look for Jack for 13 years. So, there is some very deep, unrelenting aggression in Beckett because of Jack and I don't think the eunich approach is it. Jack and Beckett are tied by blood.
Ok someone asked about Keira saying that she doesnt trust Will to find Jack...well here is the proof!
around minute 4 Keira starts talking bout her Character.
around 4:05 she starts talking about her relationships with Will and Jack
and around 5:25 she starts talking about how she doesnt trust Will...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEQxepF_BRI
enjoy!
Originally posted by Minie Mina
I figure Beckett would want to use Elizabeth knowing that she could be Jack's weakness. Speculating, again 😄.Since he knows that Elizabeth helpped him escape in CotBP, "CAPTAIN Jack sparrow!"
And then there's the fate intervenes line.
Also, Jack gives it away without ever intending to.
In the scene where Beckett asks about his motivations in betraying Shipwreck Cove, Jack gives away that Elizabeth is important to him in two ways. He knows that Beckett is trying to bait him, but he can't avoid the trap.
First, he gives away his jealousy with the line: "And Turner. Especially Turner". Beckett notices the vehement dislike and he's the type that can quickly put two and two together.
To prod Jack further and to confirm his suspicion, he asks:
"And what becomes of Miss Swann?"
Though Jack knows that Beckett is laying a sly trap, it's his silence that confirms it.
"The rest go with me aboard the Pearl."
I honestly think this is a set-up for a later scene pirate branding scene, but I could be wrong.
As for the Beckett and Jack are related:
It's quite possible that they're distant cousins. That would be a throw back to the line in COTBP.
But, I honestly think that Beckett and Jack are eerily similar to each other in that neither of them like to have their wits defeated. Jack has continually outwitted Beckett. To a villain who prizes cunning (similar to Jack) above all else, this is a huge blow to his ego.
Actually, the similarities between Jack and Beckett are a little scary when you really think about it. I'm not talking physical attributes, but there's very little that separates their behavior.
Although, Elizabeth does give Jack up to Beckett because it's part of his master plan. Maybe that is when Jack does away with the pirate brand.
What I can't figure out is where does that scene on the beach where they're meeting with Beckett take place? And who is the other person with him. Davy Jones is there, Will is there, Beckett is there, but it seems like there is another person. I don't think it's Norrington...
Originally posted by calypso
Ok, we saw the pix back in Sept '06 of Jack with the "P" on his bandana and with a shrunken head on the left side of his belt. Ummmm, I think it is ol Beckett. [B]I also believe that for Beckett to hate Jack so much there is alot more back story like maybe they were cousins competing for the love of a grandfather and he favored Jack over Beckett. Even Norrington who wants to take out the last pirate in the Carribean does not show the intense hatred for Jack that Beckett does. Beckett has done nothing but look for Jack for 13 years. So, there is some very deep, unrelenting aggression in Beckett because of Jack and I don't think the eunich approach is it. Jack and Beckett are tied by blood. [/B]
Thats funny cause just now i read a fanfic claiming to contain POSSIBLE MAJOR SPOILERS for AWE ^^.......Jonathon Beckett...eh? read it!!
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3318514/6/
its actually really good...not complete but the last chappie talks about a Jonathon Beckett...let me know what ya think! Enjoy!