Putting it all together...spoilers

"Elizabeth: I think that it's bad luck for the groom to see the bride before the wedding.

I don't why I find that interesting..."---Minie Mina

Yeah, the "now is not the time" line isn't an answer to the second (technically third if you count Jack's) proposal. Mina, you may find that line interesting because it's a very "telly" line as opposed to being shown. It is T&T's not-so-subtle way of telling us things are about to go bad. It is meant to be an ominous line that foreshadows all the crap that's about to go down. If you want, you can also assume Elizabeth is a pessimist from it, but there's plenty of evidence to suggest she's not a pessimist.

No she has faith. But wait, lets rewind a bit.

She said she had faith with Will, then said both of you. OK, about Will. She had faith for him to find Jack, instead, she decided to take matters into her own hands in helping Will find Jack. Thinking he wouldn't make it. Keira made a quote about this also. Will finds Jack (duh)...but the point is that Liz thought he wouldn't.

She had faith in Jack to become a good man.

Does anyone get where I'm going?

No...Elizabeth did not think Will couldn't find Jack on his own. She was fearful that Will would come back to Port Royal and be hanged, so she went after him.

Remember her reluctance to go with her father? "He's a better man than you give him credit for".

Then Swann tells his daughter that even if Will succeeds in getting Jack and the compass, the pardon is meant for only one person; Jack. Elizabeth knows that there is a good chance she could be saved, but Will is still a blacksmith and a pirate (when necessary). There is no way anyone besides her father could save him.

That is why she goes after Will. It's to prevent him from going back to Port Royal to be hung. 😄

They both are still endangered to face the gallows. But Keira mentions on how Elizabeth went after Will because she thought he wouldn't be able to find Jack.

That's strange that Keira would say that. Maybe deep down, Elizabeth felt Will would fail. Jack's a hard guy to find, after all. But her dad sprung her and basically told her that even if Will finds Jack and gets the compass to Beckett, Beckett will kill both of them anyway. She has to escape if she wants to live and if she wants Will to live.

I always found it hard that she believed Beckett. Will didn't, I don't think, but he felt he might as well give it a shot, maybe gain some leverage. It was better than both of them in jail waiting to die.

No, I don't think Elizabeth is a pessimist, either. She's very much an optimist. She never stops to think, "Oh, I'm going to die, they're going to die." She instantly thinks, "How to get out of this."

Maybe it doesn't illustrate so much of a lack of faith in Will on her part. It may illustrate that

a) she doesn't want to be hung, and certainly doesn't want to see Will hung

b) She has no where else to go, but the noose, England, or to find Will and join him in the search Jack

c) She also knows that in order to find Jack, you have to think like Jack. While she may have faith in Will, you have to admit that there is a stark difference in the way that Will sees/deals with the world, and the way that Elizabeth and Jack deal/see the world. (This isn't shipping by the way, it's just a character thing. Jack notes the stark difference in the way Elizabeth deals with Beckett for instance, as does Beckett.)

She knows that between the two of them, she's probably better equipped to deal with Jack than Will is based solely on their methods of dealing with people. (I'm not saying Will isn't capable of thinking like Jack, but he's less willing to do so). Jack and Elizabeth are more alike than they are different.

I will look for that quote. But Kiera said that.

Originally posted by savvysparrow
Maybe it doesn't illustrate so much of a lack of faith in Will on her part. It may illustrate that

a) she doesn't want to be hung, and certainly doesn't want to see Will hung

b) She has no where else to go, but the noose, England, or to find Will and join him in the search Jack

c) She also knows that in order to find Jack, you have to think like Jack. While she may have faith in Will, you have to admit that there is a stark difference in the way that Will sees/deals with the world, and the way that Elizabeth and Jack deal/see the world. (This isn't shipping by the way, it's just a character thing. Jack notes the stark difference in the way Elizabeth deals with Beckett for instance, as does Beckett.)

She knows that between the two of them, she's probably better equipped to deal with Jack than Will is based solely on their methods of dealing with people. (I'm not saying Will isn't capable of thinking like Jack, but he's less willing to do so). Jack and Elizabeth are more alike than they are different.

Also, Will said that he was going to start in Tortuga in the search for Jack.

The whole point of the Cannibal Island sequence, well, not the whole point, but one of them was to show that Jack was not safe in the water or on land.

Yes, I strongly believe Liz' line of "Now is not the..." is not the immediate response to his proposal.

I think so. They are in a middle of a battle.

Originally posted by Ericadawn
The whole point of the Cannibal Island sequence, well, not the whole point, but one of them was to show that Jack was not safe in the water or on land.

At the time of the Cannibal island sequence that was the case. Jack still had to take responsibility for his actions and face the Kracken. But that will not always be the case.

Tia Dalma told him after the Island sequence, incidentally, "land is where you are safe Jack Sparrow, and so you will always carry land around with you."

Some of Tia Dalma's quotes are meant to be left hanging, they're teasers if you will. Such as the touch of destiny quote. We won't learn the significance of the touch of destiny line or the jar of dirt until AWE.

Tia was just an introduction in DMC. We get to know more secrets of her and a close look of Tia. Even though she is bad news, but she is so awesome at the same time.

How can I describe this...

She is helping others and helping herself at the same time. I belive that makes sense.

She's got her own motivations that in some ways align with the protagonists, and at the same time, serve her own interests. Very similar to Jack in the first film.

yup. But she stil betrays the pirates into believing that she was on their side.

The "It would have never worked out between us" is after Will proposes or before?

Supposedly it's after. That's the rumor.

She looks really sad. If the rumor is true. Just look how everyone looks at her.

Well, it would be after the events of the battle, which of COURSE she's going to be sad for various reasons and undoubtedly, the losses she's endured during the course of the film are going to weigh on her. She's found her identity as a pirate, she's helped to successfully lead them to victory, but at what cost?

Alone..?

I know that she has a responsibility, I suppose. Since she was elected as pirate king...

But then what would leave Jack. How can we explain when he was with the strumpets, Jack giving Gibbs like a "thanks, mate" or a good bye. Then we see Jack looking determined while Gibbs take the strumpets away. Rumor is that they were crying. I'm not sure about that. But um..I remember I had a source a while ago that Jack said something and made them cry--slap him, then cry.

Originally posted by Minie Mina
Alone..?

I know that she has a responsibility, I suppose. Since she was elected as pirate king...

But then what would leave Jack. How can we explain when he was with the strumpets, Jack giving Gibbs like a "thanks, mate" or a good bye. Then we see Jack looking determined while Gibbs take the strumpets away. Rumor is that they were crying. I'm not sure about that. But um..I remember I had a source a while ago that Jack said something and made them cry--slap him, then cry.

I don't know that she'll end up alone. All I was saying that her fatigue and sadness in that particular scene is justified. Also, I suspect that by the end of the film, she'll have had her fill of pirates. What I was trying to say was that her arch is that though she is a natural pirate, she'll choose to give it up because of the personal trials she'll endure. She has personal freedom, but at what cost? Well, she's lost her father, her ex-fiancee, her current fiancee will be immortal. That's an awful lot to go through.

As to where that will lead Jack, who knows? My thought is that given the path that Jack's life has taken, he will probably be in the same place emotionally that Elizabeth is. This isn't a shipper moment, but rather a character moment. I think he'll be ready to give up piracy and rejoin society, but on his own terms. He won't be the same Jack Sparrow that he was in the first film, which is why I take beef with the people that say he ought to sail into the sunset in the same way that he did in COTBP. It doesn't fit the development of his character.

Does that mean they'll be together? Not necessarily. (I'm trying to play it neutral.)

Me too.

I remember Gore mentioning that she will indeed NOT be alone, and the writers saying that it's not by her choice.

Supposedly, it will end like a full circle.