Mr. Mxyzptlk vs Mad Jim Jaspers(AT HIS MOST POWERFULL)

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm glad things could stay civil though.

🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
1.) Kingdom Come is a Elseworlds title.

I believe you, but how can I find this info out on my own?

I have the Kingdom Come arc, it's doesn't mention Elseworlds anywhere.

Originally posted by Galan007
2.) Elseworlds is structured kind of like the mainstream DCU. Some different archs and titles take place in different Universes.

Almost every story I've read from Elseworlds has taken place in a different Universe or timeline.

I understand,

I just want to know where is it you look,

to know you're reading something taking place in another Universe or Timeline?

Cause if you read Kingdom Come, and that I have. and have read,

no where is it mentioned that it's a different Timeline, or Universe or in an Elseworlds reality.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I have one question, Worlds funnest is a elseworlds comic.
In one comic it was stated that elseworlds was a part of DC, now was that comic were that was stated elseworlds as well?
Because if so, Worlds funnest would be non canon.

And one reality is one universe.
Mxyztplk destroyed the Multiverse, because he thought one universe was stupid enough.

And I'm starting to doubt the Omniverse theory.
Would Mad Jim Jaspers keep on controling universe after universe, until the omniverse would be absorbed?
--That's a little far fetched.

I think they changed the terms in comics, for Multi-Eternity was the sum of the Multiverse an infinite amount of universes.
The term Omniverse was used after that.

And your handbook don't say that the Omniverse consists of an infinite amount of Multiverses, it simply says that other collections of universes (realities) can be refered to as Multiverses and Megaverses.

I think it goes like this.

Universe - One reality
Multiverse - A smaller collection of realities
Megaverse - A lager collection of realities
Omniverse - All realities

Just that they've changed terms, before there was only a Multiverse which consisted of an infinite amount of universes.

let me shed light for some who think that I'm not a real debator. First and foremost, it was I who said that the elseworld's was indeed cannon. So for ANY IDIOT who chooses to ignore me inlight of my wisdom, please proceed to be an idiot but don't try and put me down.

2ndly, Let me explain how the DCU works.

First of all, There is The infinite Earths Multiverse.
Then there is the Kingdom which is the Legitimizing Multiverse that houses all of the Elseworld's Universes. Each Elseworld's tale is a seperate and fully functional universe unto itself.
Then There is the DCU animated universe. To which Mxy erased in that same story. This is a multiverse as well, we know this becuz the JLU had several episodes of alternate universes.
There is the Megaverse of Vertigo which is still a subset of the Main DCU.
The Main DCU is connected to vertigo by the presence of certain characters being in both Realities at any given time. Such as The Endless and the Spectre.

Now this debate can rage on with the correct information being put on the table. Also realize that I didnt' go into detail of the Full DCverse as I left several wrealms and dimensions out. But in the interest of simplicity, I dont' think I need to go on.

Originally posted by Mr Master
🙂

I believe you, but how can I find this info out on my own?

I have the Kingdom Come arc, it's doesn't mention Elseworlds anywhere.

I understand,

I just want to know where is it you look,

to know you're reading something taking place in another Universe or Timeline?

Cause if you read Kingdom Come, and that I have. and have read,

no where is it mentioned that it's a different Timeline, or Universe or in an Elseworlds reality.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I believe you, but how can I find this info out on my own?

I have the Kingdom Come arc, it's doesn't mention Elseworlds anywhere.

Except on the front cover. 😛

Note the upper right corner:

Originally posted by Mr Master
I understand,

I just want to know where is you look to know you're reading something taking place in another Universe or Timeline?

Cause if you read Kingdom Come, and that I have. and have read,

no where is it mentioned that it's a different Timeline, or Universe or in an Elseworlds reality.

Most What If's take place in some sort of divergent reality, well that's similiar to how Elseworlds works. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Except on the front cover. 😛
Note the upper right corner:

Cool.

Originally posted by Galan007
I guess the easiest way to relate it in Marvel lingo, would be to picture Elseworlds kind of like "What If's".

Most What If's take place in some sort of divergent reality, well that's similiar to how Elseworlds works.

What if's are part of the 616 Multiverse though.

Not of a separate Multiverse.

Is "the Kingdom" part of Elseworlds?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
let me shed light for some who think that I'm not a real debator. First and foremost, it was I who said that the elseworld's was indeed cannon. So for ANY IDIOT who chooses to ignore me inlight of my wisdom, please proceed to be an idiot but don't try and put me down.

2ndly, Let me explain how the DCU works.

First of all, There is The infinite Earths Multiverse.
Then there is the Kingdom which is the Legitimizing Multiverse that houses all of the Elseworld's Universes. Each Elseworld's tale is a seperate and fully functional universe unto itself.
Then There is the DCU animated universe. To which Mxy erased in that same story. This is a multiverse as well, we know this becuz the JLU had several episodes of alternate universes.
There is the Megaverse of Vertigo which is still a subset of the Main DCU.
The Main DCU is connected to vertigo by the presence of certain characters being in both Realities at any given time. Such as The Endless and the Spectre.

Now this debate can rage on with the correct information being put on the table. Also realize that I didnt' go into detail of the Full DCverse as I left several wrealms and dimensions out. But in the interest of simplicity, I dont' think I need to go on.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What if's are part of the 616 Multiverse though.

Not of a separate Multiverse.

Is "the Kingdom" part of Elseworlds?

And since nearly every story represents a divergent reality, then it is indeed a Multiverse.

And "The Kingdom" is only a DC comic.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
First of all, There is The infinite Earths Multiverse.

Then there is the Kingdom which is the Legitimizing Multiverse that houses all of the Elseworld's Universes. Each Elseworld's tale is a seperate and fully functional universe unto itself.

That's about it.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Then There is the DCU animated universe. To which Mxy erased in that same story. This is a multiverse as well, we know this becuz the JLU had several episodes of alternate universes.

Mxy did no such thing.

Cartoons on TV?

Are you serious?

Originally posted by Galan007
I know that about what if's, but remember Elseworlds is totally seperate from the mainstream DCU.

And since nearly every story represents a divergent reality, then it is indeed a Multiverse.

I hear that,

What if's tell you it's a Different Reality though,

do any Elseworlds issues let the reader know they are dealing with a separate Reality at any time or at all?

I know Kingdom Come didn't.

If yall didn't point point out the Elseworlds logo on the right hand corner I would've never known.

And I read Kingcome Come Years ago on tpb. (badass arc)

Originally posted by Galan007
And "The Kingdom" is only a DC comic.

The Kingdom is a continuation to Kingdom Come though:

"Out of the pages of Kingdom Come"

Aren't they part of the same Reality then?

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's about it.

Mxy did no such thing.

Cartoons on TV?

Are you serious?

He did indeed go to the DCU animated in that story arc. And The DCU animated publishes all storie's on the TV in comic form as well as many more stories.

Forget not that Vertigo is a subset of the Main DCU and yet vertigo is a megaverse all it's own. So when mxy destroys everything, he really is destroying what would be considered the DCU omniverse.

The inside of every Elseworld says..
"In Elseworlds, heroes are taken from their usual settings and put into strange times and place -- some that have existed or might have existed, and others that can't, couldn't or shouldn't exist."

However, most of the Elseworlds titles were moved into continuity in one way or another, as their own respective realities.[And some blended into the current continuity.]

In Kingdom Come, it's on the Table of Contents page.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I hear that,

What if's tell you it's a Different Reality though,

do any Elseworlds issues let the reader know they are dealing with a separate Reality at any time or at all?

I know Kingdom Come didn't.

If yall didn't point point out the Elseworlds logo on the right hand corner I would've never known.

And I read Kingcome Come Years ago on tpb. (badass arc)

And I believe that there is an excerpt that refers to different realities near the inside cover, in most Elseworlds comics.

And KC was indeed a badass arch.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Kingdom is a continuation to Kingdom Come though:

"Out of the pages of Kingdom Come"

Aren't they part of the same Reality then?

It's supposed to take place after the events of KC, but it's not an Elseworlds title, it's just a DC title.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I hear that,

What if's tell you it's a Different Reality though,

do any Elseworlds issues let the reader know they are dealing with a separate Reality at any time or at all?

I know Kingdom Come didn't.

If yall didn't point point out the Elseworlds logo on the right hand corner I would've never known.

And I read Kingcome Come Years ago on tpb. (badass arc)

The Kingdom is a continuation to Kingdom Come though:

"Out of the pages of Kingdom Come"

Aren't they part of the same Reality then?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He did indeed go to the DCU animated in that story arc. And The DCU animated publishes all storie's on the TV in comic form as well as many more stories.

Do you have proof?

No scan?

Then what page?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Forget not that Vertigo is a subset of the Main DCU and yet vertigo is a megaverse all it's own. So when mxy destroys everything, he really is destroying what would be considered the DCU omniverse.

So now Mxy destroyed Vertigo too?

Now that I'm understanding all this I think Mxy destroyed Elseworlds and that's it.

Initially I thought it was just the DC Multiverse, but after reviewing the facts, and Galan's last scans.

Besides the Phantom Zone, Apokolips and the 5th Dimension,

the only other territory Mxy is depicted destroying is Kingdom Come of Elseworlds.

I believe it was the Elseworlds Multiverse and not the DC Multiverse.

But that's just my opinion, based on what I've seen. 🙂

Originally posted by Juntai
Gog was able to move freely through hypertime. The epicenter of all realities and their timelines.

Which would mean that Gog from Kingdom Come is still out there somewhere.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Do you have proof?

No scan?

Then what page?

So now Mxy destroyed Vertigo too?

Now that I'm understanding all this I think Mxy destroyed Elseworlds and that's it.

Initially I thought it was just the DC Multiverse, but after reviewing the facts, and Galan's last scans.

Besides the Phantom Zone, Apokolips and the 5th Dimension,

the only other territory Mxy is depicted destroying is Kingdom Come of Elseworlds.

I believe it was the Elseworlds Multiverse and not the DC Multiverse.

But that's just my opinion, based on what I've seen. 🙂

Actually Mxy starts off in the main DCU. He says on panel no more infinite earths. That is the infinite earths, or main DCU multiverse. he destroys the kingdom. Which is the multiverse that houses the elseworld's universe. But the Kingdom also house another multiverse, the Tangent Multiverse. Vertigo is indeed seperate but part of the DCu. And we know that vertigo is indeed a megaverse. So mxy has done far more on panel than you would give him credit. And in that story mxy did destroy the DCu animated. I don't have it in front of me, but I do remember him going there as well. Mxy destroyed every place he went to. And he also pwned the Spectre at full power.

Originally posted by Juntai
The inside of every Elseworld says..
"In Elseworlds, heroes are taken from their usual settings and put into strange times and place -- some that have existed or might have existed, and others that can't, couldn't or shouldn't exist."

In Kingdom Come, it's on the Table of Contents page.

What page is that?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually Mxy starts off in the main DCU. He says on panel no more infinite earths. That is the infinite earths, or main DCU multiverse.

How do you know he meant the Infinite Earths of DC and not of Elseworlds?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
he destroys the kingdom. Which is the multiverse that houses the elseworld's universe. But the Kingdom also house another multiverse, the Tangent Multiverse.

Are you referring to "the Kingdom" or "Kingdom Come?"

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Vertigo is indeed seperate but part of the DCu. And we know that vertigo is indeed a megaverse. So mxy has done far more on panel than you would give him credit.

Mxy destroyed Vertigo?

When and where did this happen?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And in that story mxy did destroy the DCu animated. I don't have it in front of me, but I do remember him going there as well.

Until there's proof,

I don't buy it. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Do you have proof?

No scan?

Then what page?

So now Mxy destroyed Vertigo too?

Now that I'm understanding all this I think Mxy destroyed Elseworlds and that's it.

Initially I thought it was just the DC Multiverse, but after reviewing the facts, and Galan's last scans.

Besides the Phantom Zone, Apokolips and the 5th Dimension,

the only other territory Mxy is depicted destroying is Kingdom Come of Elseworlds.

I believe it was the Elseworlds Multiverse and not the DC Multiverse.

But that's just my opinion, based on what I've seen. 🙂

Such as Swamp Thing got kicked out continuity and moved to Vertigo.
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=105505
When asked if they were ever going to do anything with Swamp Thing..
"DiDio added that as long as Swamp Thing is part of Vertigo, they can't do anything with him."

Another one, about two weeks ago, had them asking the DC Panel about their favorite events in recent comics, one guy starting saying something about Lucifer, Didio immediately shut him down saying "That's Vertigo, it doesn't count."

Another Editor's Panel on Newsarama from about a year ago had Didio outright saying, Vertigo has nothing to do with DC comics.