Originally posted by eldnar
Ok, lemme squash this ridiculous "combat speed reflexes" argument that keep coming up. If a character can fly at above light speed (like Thor can). He obviously has to have the reflexes to maneuver at that speed. That being the case, Thor has ABOVE light speed reflexes. Therefore WW's reflexes are NOT superior.I can recall *several* times WW has struggled with things, and needed help. There are FAR fewer times Thor has lacked the strength to complete a task.
All evidence points to Thor having centuries of fighting experience over WW, but again AT BEST I'd give them equal.
Oh wait, isn't WW vulnerable to nice, pointy, sharp objects? :-P There goes the durability argument.
Thor 9.5/10
How many times has Thor been shown deflecting multiple light speed attacks with uneering accuracy? Ok Well now that that is established, WW has far superior reflexes than Thor.
When has thor ever tried to move the Earth? against the sun's gravity? Or held the conciousness of Eternity with someone? WW seemed like she was holding a pepple when she not only stopped the decent of the continent sized meteor in technis imperitive, but she flew it away without so much as breaking a sweat. upper limits of WW's strength accordign to DC and batman, Unknown. Next.
Thor may have centuries of battle experience, but when does he use them? next.
Vulnerability to pointy objects? Hmm, When did thor get claws or high powered arrows? WW has covered an alien Nuclier blast with her body and deflected the power of the Greek pantheon with her bracelets, the OB with her braclets, and taken a punch from a sun dipped Superman who was enraged. So much for Thor having much that is going to be of any consequence.
WW 5/10. And i'm being gracious. With her speed and lasso, she could actually win them all with his slow reaction times.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How many times has Thor been shown deflecting multiple light speed attacks with uneering accuracy?
Ok Well now that that is established, WW has far superior reflexes than Thor.
Thor has FASTER than light reflexes. Please provide me with sources (Issue, page, and panel -or- database reference) that say Diana's reflexes are *FASTER* than light, or that she can MAINTAIN faster than light speeds. If not, we can assume you've made this up and that Thor is faster. I showed you Thor's references in my earlier thread... =)
starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/wonder_woman/wonder_woman.html
"Superhuman Reflexes: Wonder Woman possesses reflex abilities similar to lower-level speedsters such as Jesse Quick and Max Mercury, somewhere in the range of 8 to 20 times normal human reflexes with concentration. She, however, does not maintain her enhanced speed awareness due to the temporal difficulties such thinking causes her. She seems able to keep up with Jesse Quick. She is able to deflect attacks that might otherwise cause her considerable injury but she can only deflect attacks she is aware of. "
Can she deflect a FASTER than light attack from Thor? It's questionable. She may not be aware of it... *wink*
When has thor ever tried to move the Earth? against the sun's gravity? Or held the conciousness of Eternity with someone? WW seemed like she was holding a pepple when she not only stopped the decent of the continent sized meteor in technis imperitive, but she flew it away without so much as breaking a sweat. upper limits of WW's strength accordign to DC and batman, Unknown. Next.
Thor rattles entire planets, shatters mountain ranges (with mere shockwaves of his blows), breaks Celestial armor, etc. Every reference I've ever seen says WW is ALMOST as strong or APPROACHES the strength of superman. Meaning she has an upper limit. Thor has no upper limit. Sorry Charlie, Thor is stronger. If he enters his warrior madness state his strength is increased tenfold. Game OVER.
Thor may have centuries of battle experience, but when does he use them? next.
Every single time he wins! =) Next.
Vulnerability to pointy objects? Hmm, When did thor get claws or high powered arrows? WW has covered an alien Nuclier blast with her body and deflected the power of the Greek pantheon with her bracelets, the OB with her braclets, and taken a punch from a sun dipped Superman who was enraged. So much for Thor having much that is going to be of any consequence.
Pointy or jagged objects potentially lay around any battlefield. Simply impaling her by knocking her into one would end the fight. Oh, and Thor does know how to use a sword (those are pointy right?) HUGE ADVANTAGE Thor. =)
dcdatabaseproject.com/Wonder_Woman_%28Diana%29#Powers
"However, Diana's skin is not totally invulnerable and can be pierced by sharp projectiles with sufficient force distributed over a small surface area (such as bullets). Although Wonder Woman is very durable, piercing weapons can still harm her."
OUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH!
WW 5/10. And i'm being gracious. With her speed and lasso, she could actually win them all with his slow reaction times.
How can her *inferior* speed affect his faster than light abilities? A much slower WW loses over 90% of the time.
Thor 9.5/10
Originally posted by eldnarnicely said,. 🙂
He doesn't need to. The fight is usually over before it gets that far. WW should use her "exaggerated" reflexes to end her battles faster. =) You've given a prime example of where Thor's superior experience comes into play. Thor is experienced enough to know to defeat his enemies before they have the opportunity to launch a speed of light attack (which he *could* easily block since his reactions are FASTER than light).Thor has FASTER than light reflexes. Please provide me with sources (Issue, page, and panel -or- database reference) that say Diana's reflexes are *FASTER* than light, or that she can MAINTAIN faster than light speeds. If not, we can assume you've made this up and that Thor is faster. I showed you Thor's references in my earlier thread... =)
starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/wonder_woman/wonder_woman.html
"Superhuman Reflexes: Wonder Woman possesses reflex abilities similar to lower-level speedsters such as Jesse Quick and Max Mercury, somewhere in the range of 8 to 20 times normal human reflexes with concentration. She, however, does not maintain her enhanced speed awareness due to the temporal difficulties such thinking causes her. She seems able to keep up with Jesse Quick. She is able to deflect attacks that might otherwise cause her considerable injury but she can only deflect attacks she is aware of. "
Can she deflect a FASTER than light attack from Thor? It's questionable. She may not be aware of it... *wink*
Thor rattles entire planets, shatters mountain ranges (with mere shockwaves of his blows), breaks Celestial armor, etc. Every reference I've ever seen says WW is ALMOST as strong or APPROACHES the strength of superman. Meaning she has an upper limit. Thor has no upper limit. Sorry Charlie, Thor is stronger. If he enters his warrior madness state his strength is increased tenfold. Game OVER.
Every single time he wins! =) Next.
Pointy or jagged objects potentially lay around any battlefield. Simply impaling her by knocking her into one would end the fight. Oh, and Thor does know how to use a sword (those are pointy right?) HUGE ADVANTAGE Thor. =)
dcdatabaseproject.com/Wonder_Woman_%28Diana%29#Powers
"However, Diana's skin is not totally invulnerable and can be pierced by sharp projectiles with sufficient force distributed over a small surface area (such as bullets). Although Wonder Woman is very durable, piercing weapons can still harm her."OUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH!
How can her *inferior* speed affect his faster than light abilities? A much slower WW loses over 90% of the time.
Thor 9.5/10
Originally posted by Soljer
Wait, where has Thor exhibited faster than light reflexes? I'm not disputing you, I just haven't seen the evidence.
He claimed it?s obvious Thor has FTL reflexes because he's able to navigate at FTL speeds.
Bran and I found some impressive speed feats. However I?m unable to post them through my PS3.
Originally posted by eldnar
He doesn't need to. The fight is usually over before it gets that far. WW should use her "exaggerated" reflexes to end her battles faster. =) You've given a prime example of where Thor's superior experience comes into play. Thor is experienced enough to know to defeat his enemies before they have the opportunity to launch a speed of light attack (which he *could* easily block since his reactions are FASTER than light).Thor has FASTER than light reflexes. Please provide me with sources (Issue, page, and panel -or- database reference) that say Diana's reflexes are *FASTER* than light, or that she can MAINTAIN faster than light speeds. If not, we can assume you've made this up and that Thor is faster. I showed you Thor's references in my earlier thread... =)
starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/wonder_woman/wonder_woman.html
"Superhuman Reflexes: Wonder Woman possesses reflex abilities similar to lower-level speedsters such as Jesse Quick and Max Mercury, somewhere in the range of 8 to 20 times normal human reflexes with concentration. She, however, does not maintain her enhanced speed awareness due to the temporal difficulties such thinking causes her. She seems able to keep up with Jesse Quick. She is able to deflect attacks that might otherwise cause her considerable injury but she can only deflect attacks she is aware of. "
Can she deflect a FASTER than light attack from Thor? It's questionable. She may not be aware of it... *wink*
Thor rattles entire planets, shatters mountain ranges (with mere shockwaves of his blows), breaks Celestial armor, etc. Every reference I've ever seen says WW is ALMOST as strong or APPROACHES the strength of superman. Meaning she has an upper limit. Thor has no upper limit. Sorry Charlie, Thor is stronger. If he enters his warrior madness state his strength is increased tenfold. Game OVER.
Every single time he wins! =) Next.
Pointy or jagged objects potentially lay around any battlefield. Simply impaling her by knocking her into one would end the fight. Oh, and Thor does know how to use a sword (those are pointy right?) HUGE ADVANTAGE Thor. =)
dcdatabaseproject.com/Wonder_Woman_%28Diana%29#Powers
"However, Diana's skin is not totally invulnerable and can be pierced by sharp projectiles with sufficient force distributed over a small surface area (such as bullets). Although Wonder Woman is very durable, piercing weapons can still harm her."OUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH!
How can her *inferior* speed affect his faster than light abilities? A much slower WW loses over 90% of the time.
Thor 9.5/10
Ur use of a wiki database is hillarious. WW entered the speed force of her own power. YOu have to travel at transluminal speed to get there. Thor hasn't shown that he has EVER been able to move that fast.
And you dont' have to assume I made up anything. you entire post isn't all that thought out. Thor rattles planets with his hammer. Not his fist. I'm willing to bet he cracked the celestial armor with the hammer as well. Thor doesn't use his skill in battle all that much. Please dont' even go there. We all know he doesn't. The points I made are all valid and you are stretching trying to even rebut them
Originally posted by His Airness
He claimed it?s obvious Thor has FTL reflexes because he's able to navigate at FTL speeds.Bran and I found some impressive speed feats. However I?m unable to post them through my PS3.
That is not the case. Most people who use FTL speed use it in space. I've never seen Thor use FTL reflexes. All together different ballgame.
Originally posted by eldnar
He doesn't need to. The fight is usually over before it gets that far. WW should use her "exaggerated" reflexes to end her battles faster. =) You've given a prime example of where Thor's superior experience comes into play. Thor is experienced enough to know to defeat his enemies before they have the opportunity to launch a speed of light attack (which he *could* easily block since his reactions are FASTER than light).
Nonsense. Do you read Thor comics?
[/QUOTE] Thor has FASTER than light reflexes. Please provide me with sources (Issue, page, and panel -or- database reference) that say Diana's reflexes are *FASTER* than light, or that she can MAINTAIN faster than light speeds. If not, we can assume you've made this up and that Thor is faster. I showed you Thor's references in my earlier thread... =)[/QUOTE]
WW has blocked multiple beams of light many many many times.
And if that isn't faster than light reflexes then I don't know what is. Asking for proof is like asking for proof if Superman can lift a tank.
[/QUOTE] starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/wonder_woman/wonder_woman.html
"Superhuman Reflexes: Wonder Woman possesses reflex abilities similar to lower-level speedsters such as Jesse Quick and Max Mercury, somewhere in the range of 8 to 20 times normal human reflexes with concentration. She, however, does not maintain her enhanced speed awareness due to the temporal difficulties such thinking causes her. She seems able to keep up with Jesse Quick. She is able to deflect attacks that might otherwise cause her considerable injury but she can only deflect attacks she is aware of. "[/QUOTE]
Regular panel feats has the final say against contradicting non official bios.
[/QUOTE] Can she deflect a FASTER than light attack from Thor? It's questionable. She may not be aware of it... *wink*[/QUOTE]
Thor has no attack faster than light.
[/QUOTE] Thor rattles entire planets, shatters mountain ranges (with mere shockwaves of his blows), breaks Celestial armor, etc.[/QUOTE]
Yes if he's given enough time to whirl his hammer in a circle to enough speed before striking. Which I don't think he would have here. [/QUOTE] Every reference I've ever seen says WW is ALMOST as strong or APPROACHES the strength of superman. Meaning she has an upper limit. Thor has no upper limit. Sorry Charlie, Thor is stronger. If he enters his warrior madness state his strength is increased tenfold. Game OVER. [/QUOTE]
There is no reference that says WW is almost as strong as Superman.
Even if she is then Superman is still far stronger than Thor, making WW much stronger than him too. Thor does have an upper limit. It is retarded for anyone to think otherwise. Kurse is exactly 4x stronger than Thor. This proves he has an upper limit.
[/QUOTE] Pointy or jagged objects potentially lay around any battlefield. Simply impaling her by knocking her into one would end the fight. Oh, and Thor does know how to use a sword (those are pointy right?) HUGE ADVANTAGE Thor. =)[/QUOTE]
Yeah if your making things up as you go along. And where does Thor have a sword at in this battle?
[/QUOTE] How can her *inferior* speed affect his faster than light abilities? A much slower WW loses over 90% of the time.
Thor 9.5/10 [/QUOTE]
You mean her superior speed and reflexes and strength. I say each 5/10 though.
Originally posted by h1a8Thor has FASTER than light reflexes. Please provide me with sources (Issue, page, and panel -or- database reference) that say Diana's reflexes are *FASTER* than light, or that she can MAINTAIN faster than light speeds. If not, we can assume you've made this up and that Thor is faster. I showed you Thor's references in my earlier thread... =)[/QUOTE]
Nonsense. Do you read Thor comics?[B]
WW has blocked multiple beams of light many many many times.
And if that isn't faster than light reflexes then I don't know what is. Asking for proof is like asking or proof if Superman can lift a tank.
[/QUOTE] starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/wonder_woman/wonder_woman.html
"Superhuman Reflexes: Wonder Woman possesses reflex abilities similar to lower-level speedsters such as Jesse Quick and Max Mercury, somewhere in the range of 8 to 20 times normal human reflexes with concentration. She, however, does not maintain her enhanced speed awareness due to the temporal difficulties such thinking causes her. She seems able to keep up with Jesse Quick. She is able to deflect attacks that might otherwise cause her considerable injury but she can only deflect attacks she is aware of. "[/QUOTE]
Regular panel feats has the final say against contradicting non official bios.
[/QUOTE] Can she deflect a FASTER than light attack from Thor? It's questionable. She may not be aware of it... *wink*[/QUOTE]
Thor has no attack faster than light.
[/QUOTE] Thor rattles entire planets, shatters mountain ranges (with mere shockwaves of his blows), breaks Celestial armor, etc.[/QUOTE]
Yes if he's given enough time to whirl his hammer in a circle to enough speed before striking. Which I don't think he would have here. [/QUOTE] Every reference I've ever seen says WW is ALMOST as strong or APPROACHES the strength of superman. Meaning she has an upper limit. Thor has no upper limit. Sorry Charlie, Thor is stronger. If he enters his warrior madness state his strength is increased tenfold. Game OVER. [/QUOTE]
There is no reference that says WW is almost as strong as Superman.
Even if she is then Superman is still far stronger than Thor, making WW much stronger than him too. Thor does have an upper limit. It is retarded for anyone to think otherwise. Kurse is exactly 4x stronger than Thor. This proves he has an upper limit.
[/QUOTE] Pointy or jagged objects potentially lay around any battlefield. Simply impaling her by knocking her into one would end the fight. Oh, and Thor does know how to use a sword (those are pointy right?) HUGE ADVANTAGE Thor. =)[/QUOTE]
Yeah if your making things up as you go along. And where does Thor have a sword at in this battle?
[/QUOTE] How can her *inferior* speed affect his faster than light abilities? A much slower WW loses over 90% of the time.
Thor 9.5/10 [/QUOTE]
You mean her superior speed and reflexes and strength. I say each 5/10 though. [/B][/QUOTE] 1eye
Originally posted by His Airness
He claimed it?s obvious Thor has FTL reflexes because he's able to navigate at FTL speeds.Bran and I found some impressive speed feats. However I?m unable to post them through my PS3.
You don't need FTL reflexes to navigate at FTL speeds.
This is a common fallacy used here.
If that is the case then humans must have faster than bullet reflexes since they manually navigate at super sonic speeds.
Also, anyone claiming Diana can split with Thor is crazy. Look at her record with top tier herald lv characters and then take a look at Thors. Take a look at her record against above top tier characters and then take a look at Thors. Then take a look at her feats and then take a look at Thors. Thor vastly outshines her in each category.