Ur use of a wiki database is hillarious.
And you dont' have to assume I made up anything. you entire post isn't all that thought out. Thor rattles planets with his hammer. Not his fist. I'm willing to bet he cracked the celestial armor with the hammer as well.
Yes, Thor did use his hammer (uh, that's why he's Thor), just like WW uses her lasso. What's your point? Quit making stuff up!
Thor doesn't use his skill in battle all that much. Please dont' even go there. We all know he doesn't. The points I made are all valid and you are stretching trying to even rebut them
There is no reference that says WW is almost as strong as Superman.
Even if she is then Superman is still far stronger than Thor, making WW much stronger than him too.
Thor does have an upper limit. It is retarded for anyone to think otherwise. Kurse is exactly 4x stronger than Thor. This proves he has an upper limit.
That is not the case. Most people who use FTL speed use it in space. I've never seen Thor use FTL reflexes.
@ anyone saying Thor has ftl reflexes.
The Marvel Writers? And controllers of canon?
Nonsense. Do you read Thor comics?
Yes, Long time reader. I will be getting the new Thor #1 AND the 3 variants covers How about you? I also have several issues of WW and JLA (admittedly not near as many as I have of Thor though)
WW has blocked multiple beams of light many many many times. And if that isn't faster than light reflexes then I don't know what is.
We're in agreement here. You don't know what is. The fact that she blocked these means she can move AT light speed. Doesn't mean she's faster.
Regular panel feats has the final say against contradicting non official bios.
Thor has no attack faster than light.
I'm still waiting for WW's factual database or issue references. Offical DC database only one source is needed. If you only have panel references, please provide multiple panels from several issues so we know it's not just fluke writing, or a plot device. Until I see some facts I still have it: Thor 9.5/10.
Originally posted by eldnar
HA HA HA HA, Silly me using sources, references, evidence, and facts. That *is* hilarious. But in my world, these things form the basis of logical discussion. They also help distinguish the people you can take seriously from the fanboys.
A forum rule here is to not use non canon sources. And some (maybe not all) of your sources were non canon ones.
I give Superman and Thor roughly equal strength, bringing WW just behind both of them.
I have a lot of Thor comics myself and I've never seen any strength feat of Thor to match Supes best ones (And I'm talking about post Supes). And Diana is suppose to be as strong as the Earth (Gaia) itself. Her and Superman tow planets.
Well, tell that to Marvel, they're the ones that says his upper limit is unknown (meaning all his existing feats have not approached his upper limit). I guess they're the retarded ones. How many comic characters have you created lately? I think you'd know their stats pretty intimately right?
Unknown doesn't mean no limit. Someone (maybe you) said that thor doesn't have a limit which is false. Plus Thor has shown his strength limit before in comics (or that he has one). But it was still unknown to what that limit was.
We're in agreement here. You don't know what is. The fact that she blocked these means she can move AT light speed. Doesn't mean she's faster.Who says she's FTL? I'm saying she has FTL reflexes (not speed). Plus to block multiple beams of light at once seems to need FTL. Doesn't it? Now if she was just blocking one beam I might agree but multiple onces simultaneously?
Peek at the Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe. I think that's an official bio. *wink*
I have that one too. I also use it in many of my arguments but get bashed by others many times because of it.
Nonsense. Do you read Thor comics? Besides it says right there in his bio. I think that's more credible than your opinion. He can fly faster than light. Meaning he can crash into WW faster than light. That's an attack right?
Flying at a top speed has nothing to do with obtaining that speed in a certain frame of time. It might take Thor several AU to reach FTL and first he must enter hyperspace. And I doubt that the battle field is that big. It even takes SS some time to enter hyperspace to reach FTL speeds.
And know that I never seen Thor travel FTL (I only heard rumors).
And I know that Marvel gives some beings who can transverse dimensions and vast space through the means of portals a 7 in speed. That is why we use combat speed and not travel speed.
Look here for more info on Thor's speed. It comes from OHOTMU:
http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-thor.html
and then
Originally posted by h1a8Thor has FASTER than light reflexes. Please provide me with sources (Issue, page, and panel -or- database reference) that say Diana's reflexes are *FASTER* than light, or that she can MAINTAIN faster than light speeds. If not, we can assume you've made this up and that Thor is faster. I showed you Thor's references in my earlier thread... =)[/QUOTE]
Nonsense. Do you read Thor comics?[B]
WW has blocked multiple beams of light many many many times.
And if that isn't faster than light reflexes then I don't know what is. Asking for proof is like asking for proof if Superman can lift a tank.
[/QUOTE] starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/wonder_woman/wonder_woman.html
"Superhuman Reflexes: Wonder Woman possesses reflex abilities similar to lower-level speedsters such as Jesse Quick and Max Mercury, somewhere in the range of 8 to 20 times normal human reflexes with concentration. She, however, does not maintain her enhanced speed awareness due to the temporal difficulties such thinking causes her. She seems able to keep up with Jesse Quick. She is able to deflect attacks that might otherwise cause her considerable injury but she can only deflect attacks she is aware of. "[/QUOTE]
Regular panel feats has the final say against contradicting non official bios.
[/QUOTE] Can she deflect a FASTER than light attack from Thor? It's questionable. She may not be aware of it... *wink*[/QUOTE]
Thor has no attack faster than light.
[/QUOTE] Thor rattles entire planets, shatters mountain ranges (with mere shockwaves of his blows), breaks Celestial armor, etc.[/QUOTE]
Yes if he's given enough time to whirl his hammer in a circle to enough speed before striking. Which I don't think he would have here. [/QUOTE] Every reference I've ever seen says WW is ALMOST as strong or APPROACHES the strength of superman. Meaning she has an upper limit. Thor has no upper limit. Sorry Charlie, Thor is stronger. If he enters his warrior madness state his strength is increased tenfold. Game OVER. [/QUOTE]
There is no reference that says WW is almost as strong as Superman.
Even if she is then Superman is still far stronger than Thor, making WW much stronger than him too. Thor does have an upper limit. It is retarded for anyone to think otherwise. Kurse is exactly 4x stronger than Thor. This proves he has an upper limit.
[/QUOTE] Pointy or jagged objects potentially lay around any battlefield. Simply impaling her by knocking her into one would end the fight. Oh, and Thor does know how to use a sword (those are pointy right?) HUGE ADVANTAGE Thor. =)[/QUOTE]
Yeah if your making things up as you go along. And where does Thor have a sword at in this battle?
[/QUOTE] How can her *inferior* speed affect his faster than light abilities? A much slower WW loses over 90% of the time.
Thor 9.5/10 [/QUOTE]
You mean her superior speed and reflexes and strength. I say each 5/10 though. [/B][/QUOTE]
Allow me to ask you the same. You've made it fairly obvious through a couple of your nonsense post that you know nothing of Thor or his power.
Thor can throw and swing Mjolnir at multiples of the speed of light. I believed this to be common knowledge, or did you miss this while reading your many Thor comics?
Thor flying at multiples of the speed of light.
Thor swinging Mjolnir at multiples of the speed of light.
Thor throwing Mjolnir at the multiples of the speed of light.
Kurse is also many times stronger than Superman and Wonder Woman as well. Claiming Superman is far stronger than Thor is a completely baseless and unfounded statement. Wonder Woman isn't as strong as neither of the two. Thor's greatest feats being moving planets, crushing Celestial armor, closing dimensional rifts, etc while believe Wonder Woman's is pulling a third of the planets weight(which they failed to do) and picking up a continent.
He could create a sword seeing as how he can manipulate matter.
Originally posted by quanchi112
thor and the midgard serpent is astrength feat and a half. thor is right up there with supes.
Not quite, as in one comic only the A section materialized (the rest stayed in ethereal form). Thor just barely manage to lift the A section of the serpent. In another comic, Thor managed to lift only one foot off the ground of the so-called cat who was the midgard serpent in disguise.
And in another comic, Thor managed to lift the A section again.
And know that in Norse Mythology, Odin threw Jormundand into the Earth's ocean. Later , it grew around the Earth (now becoming the World Serpent).
Now this still is an awesome lifting feat. A good mathematical estimate would be about 100,000 tons max. Assuming 25,000miles in length, 7 feet in width (from all comics showing the serpent in true form), and the true density of snakes and pythons (they all have the same density), and dividing the result by 4 (only lifted the A section and one foot of cat in another book). Now dividing the result by 4 is very generous (should be more like 8) as lifting just one foot or the just the A section doesn't quite justify the 4. So anyway, Thor could lift anywhere from 50,000 to 100,000 tons.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ur use of a wiki database is hillarious. WW entered the speed force of her own power. YOu have to travel at transluminal speed to get there. Thor hasn't shown that he has EVER been able to move that fast.And you dont' have to assume I made up anything. you entire post isn't all that thought out. Thor rattles planets with his hammer. Not his fist. I'm willing to bet he cracked the celestial armor with the hammer as well. Thor doesn't use his skill in battle all that much. Please dont' even go there. We all know he doesn't. The points I made are all valid and you are stretching trying to even rebut them
Have you seen Captain America shake planets with Mjolnir? I bet you haven't. Thor is the strength behind the hammer. Don't try and discredit his feats by claiming Mjolnir is the one responsible for his strength.
Thor not using skill in battle.
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view¤t=ThorvsHyde1.jpg
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view¤t=ThorvsHyde2.jpg
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Originally posted by h1a8
Not quite, as in one comic only the A section materialized (the rest stayed in ethereal form). Thor just barely manage to lift the A section of the serpent. In another comic, Thor managed to lift only one foot off the ground of the so-called cat who was the midgard serpent in disguise.
And in another comic, Thor managed to lift the A section again.
And know that in Norse Mythology, Odin threw Jormundand into the Earth's ocean. [B]Later , it grew around the Earth (now becoming the World Serpent).Now this still is an awesome lifting feat. A good mathematical estimate would be about 100,000 tons max. Assuming 25,000miles in length, 7 feet in width (from all comics showing the serpent in true form), and the true density of snakes and pythons (they all have the same density), and dividing the result by 4 (only lifted the A section and one foot of cat in another book). Now dividing the result by 4 is very generous (should be more like 8) as lifting just one foot or the just the A section doesn't quite justify the 4. So anyway, Thor could lift anywhere from 50,000 to 100,000 tons. [/B]
He also managed to lift the whole serpent.
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view¤t=midgardserpent1.jpg
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view¤t=midgardserpent2.jpg
Originally posted by His Airness
He also managed to lift the whole serpent.http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view¤t=midgardserpent1.jpg
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view¤t=midgardserpent2.jpg
Techincally he broke it's grip and dragged it away. The only thing he lifted was the head.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Which is impressive but not the same thing as lifting the mass of it's body.It's in space though . . . no friction.
How so, resisting the strength and breaking the grip of the serpent is more impressive imo. The weight of the serpent is ambiguous.
The Serpent still possesses it's weight.....
Originally posted by His Airness
Thor has FASTER than light reflexes. Please provide me with sources (Issue, page, and panel -or- database reference) that say Diana's reflexes are *FASTER* than light, or that she can MAINTAIN faster than light speeds. If not, we can assume you've made this up and that Thor is faster. I showed you Thor's references in my earlier thread... =)
WW has blocked multiple beams of light many many many times.
And if that isn't faster than light reflexes then I don't know what is. Asking for proof is like asking for proof if Superman can lift a tank.
[/QUOTE] starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/wonder_woman/wonder_woman.html
"Superhuman Reflexes: Wonder Woman possesses reflex abilities similar to lower-level speedsters such as Jesse Quick and Max Mercury, somewhere in the range of 8 to 20 times normal human reflexes with concentration. She, however, does not maintain her enhanced speed awareness due to the temporal difficulties such thinking causes her. She seems able to keep up with Jesse Quick. She is able to deflect attacks that might otherwise cause her considerable injury but she can only deflect attacks she is aware of. "[/QUOTE]
Regular panel feats has the final say against contradicting non official bios.
[/QUOTE] Can she deflect a FASTER than light attack from Thor? It's questionable. She may not be aware of it... *wink*[/QUOTE]
Thor has no attack faster than light.
[/QUOTE] Thor rattles entire planets, shatters mountain ranges (with mere shockwaves of his blows), breaks Celestial armor, etc.[/QUOTE]
Yes if he's given enough time to whirl his hammer in a circle to enough speed before striking. Which I don't think he would have here. [/QUOTE] Every reference I've ever seen says WW is ALMOST as strong or APPROACHES the strength of superman. Meaning she has an upper limit. Thor has no upper limit. Sorry Charlie, Thor is stronger. If he enters his warrior madness state his strength is increased tenfold. Game OVER. [/QUOTE]
There is no reference that says WW is almost as strong as Superman.
Even if she is then Superman is still far stronger than Thor, making WW much stronger than him too. Thor does have an upper limit. It is retarded for anyone to think otherwise. Kurse is exactly 4x stronger than Thor. This proves he has an upper limit.
[/QUOTE] Pointy or jagged objects potentially lay around any battlefield. Simply impaling her by knocking her into one would end the fight. Oh, and Thor does know how to use a sword (those are pointy right?) HUGE ADVANTAGE Thor. =)[/QUOTE]
Yeah if your making things up as you go along. And where does Thor have a sword at in this battle?
[/QUOTE] How can her *inferior* speed affect his faster than light abilities? A much slower WW loses over 90% of the time.
Thor 9.5/10 [/QUOTE]
You mean her superior speed and reflexes and strength. I say each 5/10 though. [/B][/QUOTE]
Allow me to ask you the same. You've made it fairly obvious through a couple of your nonsense post that you know nothing of Thor or his power.
Thor can throw and swing Mjolnir at multiples of the speed of light. I believed this to be common knowledge, or did you miss this while reading your many Thor comics?
Thor flying at multiples of the speed of light.
Thor swinging Mjolnir at multiples of the speed of light.
Thor throwing Mjolnir at the multiples of the speed of light.
Kurse is also many times stronger than Superman and Wonder Woman as well. Claiming Superman is far stronger than Thor is a completely baseless and unfounded statement. Wonder Woman isn't as strong as neither of the two. Thor's greatest feats being moving planets, crushing Celestial armor, closing dimensional rifts, etc while believe Wonder Woman's is pulling a third of the planets weight(which they failed to do) and picking up a continent.
He could create a sword seeing as how he can manipulate matter. [/QUOTE] [/B]
Do you know what PIS is? or even SpvFL?
It isn't allowed here.
A later comic Thor says he can throw the hammer exactly the speed of light and swing it exactly twice the speed of light. Now he is contradiction himself. Or he is using hyperbole. Thus his words can't be trusted.
First of all, most rare feats Thor did in the 60s-70s aren't valid. As he didn't do them enough throughout his statistical career or currently. Thus by definition they are PIS. Now talk from Thor doesn't prove any thing (unless the talk is coming from the narrator , universal being, or super genius). I never said Thor couldn't fly at FTL speeds through hyperspace (I just never seen it). But that doesn't mean he could obtain those speeds within the battle distance between him and WW (far too short of a distance). He must accelerate remember (as the scan shows).
So first, Thor can't manipulate matter (not enough showings of this or any current ones). You are going too far in saying he can make a sword from scratch in this battle. That statement was so terrible than even Thor fans here would disagree with you. Second, he can't swing the hammer faster than light.
Third, he cannot throw it light speed either. Finally, thor never moved a planet (somewhat incorrect wording here). But I give you he can travel faster than light (But it doesn't matter). His so called greatest feat of strength was lifting the A section of the Midgard Serpent. And give WW that indestructible hammer and she too will crack Celestials armor easily.
Originally posted by His Airness
How so, resisting the strength and breaking the grip of the serpent is more impressive imo. The weight of the serpent is ambiguous.
srug I'm really just being an *******.
Originally posted by His Airness
The Serpent still possesses it's weight.....
It would only have it's mass. No gravity means no weight,.
Originally posted by His Airness
How so, resisting the strength and breaking the grip of the serpent is more impressive imo. The weight of the serpent is ambiguous.The Serpent still possesses it's weight.....
The serpent was mostly in ethereal form (a form of intangibility).
Only the head solidified. So all Thor had to do was pull on its head (the body will follow to prevent the head from ripping). Plus the boat supplied power as it was flying away with Thor's pull.
Originally posted by h1a8
The serpent was mostly in ethereal form (a form of intangibility).
Only the head solidified. So all Thor had to do was pull on its head (the body will follow to prevent the head from ripping). Plus the boat supplied power as it was flying away with Thor's pull.
Well I guess it's time for you to provide proof because the Serpent sure didn't look intangible when it was crushing the earth. Hold on wait.... if he was intangible he couldn't even have coiled around the planet....
Originally posted by h1a8
Do you know what PIS is? or even SpvFL?
It isn't allowed here.
A later comic Thor says he can throw the hammer exactly the speed of light and swing it exactly twice the speed of light. Now he is contradiction himself. Or he is using hyperbole. Thus his words can't be trusted.First of all, most rare feats Thor did in the 60s-70s aren't valid. As he didn't do them enough throughout his statistical career or currently. Thus by definition they are PIS. Now talk from Thor doesn't prove any thing (unless the talk is coming from the narrator , universal being, or super genius). I never said Thor couldn't fly at FTL speeds through hyperspace (I just never seen it). But that doesn't mean he could obtain those speeds within the battle distance between him and WW (far too short of a distance). He must accelerate remember (as the scan shows).
So first, Thor can't manipulate matter (not enough showings of this or any current ones). You are going too far in saying he can make a sword from scratch in this battle. That statement was so terrible than even Thor fans here would disagree with you. Second, he can't swing the hammer faster than light.
Third, he cannot throw it light speed either. Finally, thor never moved a planet (somewhat incorrect wording here). But I give you he can travel faster than light (But it doesn't matter). His so called greatest feat of strength was lifting the A section of the Midgard Serpent. And give WW that indestructible hammer and she too will crack Celestials armor easily.
Do you know what it is? PIS being plot induced stupidity and SvFL being a weaker character being placed against a character far out of his league.
What the hell are you talking about? Take the scans for what they are and shut up.
You have no idea what your talking about. His feats not valid? Yeah your whole post is bullshit.
Thor can manipulate matter. Transmute objects actually.
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view¤t=Transmutation1.jpg
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view¤t=Transmutation2.jpg
No reason why he can't transmute some rocks into a sword.
I just provided you with scans where Thor was shown swinging his hammer at multiples of the speed of light. I honestly don't care what you think he can do, especially when comics show otherwise.
Actually yes he has.
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view¤t=thor38809hc7.jpg
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/?action=view¤t=thor38810yh9.jpg
Notice has it states the planet shook or rumbled? Thor and Herc have also moved the planet in an arm wrestling contest.
Baseless statement.
