Originally posted by batdude123
No kidding. If anybody thinks Thor wins more than 6 or 7 outta 10 here, they're nuckin' futz.Thor's speed issue is a huge hinderance whether people want to admit it or not.
Im fine with the 7/10 outcome. Aslong as its made clear she isnt winning.
Its about as exaggerated as Supermans weakness to Kryptonite and red sun radiation. Yes its a problem but when faced with it hes not helpless.
Originally posted by His Airness
Im fine with the 7/10 outcome. Aslong as its made clear she isnt winning.Its about as exaggerated as Supermans weakness to Kryptonite and red sun radiation. Yes its a problem but when faced with it hes not helpless.
That doesn'tmake sense for her to only win 3 out of ten. Not when she can win three out of ten with a well placed lasso toss or tiara sling. She gets two more for superior speed.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Let's look at this fight logically.Diana has shown that her bracelets deflect the power of pantheons, superman's punches, the Omega Blast, and create a force field that has never been breached. Diana has also used people's energy against them by redirecting thier blast.
Thor's hammer can absorb obcene amounts of energy and even redirect it.
Unfortunately, Diana isn't throwing energy around.
Advantage: DianaBoth characters have thousands of years of Skill. Diana has to rely on hers much more than Thor rely's or even uses his becuz Thor has become soft with his uber weapon.
Advantage: DianaFinal Judgement: 5/10 each
I agree with everything said except these two. Thor doesn't just throw around unidirectional assaults. he can launch blizzards, tornados, thunderstorms... all of which aren't just unilateral in direction, which would make them pretty hard to block. ww has two arms with two bracelets, i can't see how she could block all of these. i'm not saying she can't, just that its too uncut to give a clear advantage to diana.
secondly, to say that thor has become soft because of his weapon is pure opinion. honestly, there is no proof for this.
here is a couple of points i'd like to dish out. ww doesn't CONSISTENTLY use her full speed in combat. thor doesn't CONSISTENTLY use his full powers in combat. they are both USUALLY depicted as fighting in fisticuffs.
but for the sake of this argument, lets say that ww uses her speed blitz till she runs tired, and that thor uses his full powers till he gets exhausted.
so what we have is a flash-like speeding super strong super fighter woman, fighting a super strong above-average-speed warrior guy who is in the middle of a blizzard hailstorm thunder-lightning storm.
yes ww's speed come's in handy in this fight if she uses it consistently. qustion is, will she be fast enough to dodge all that lightning and blizzard and tornadoes and mjolnir and thor's fists?
i believe this match is a fair toss up. i'd really like thor to win (coz i prefer vikings over amazons), but i'd be happy with a 5/5 (coz its fair). just please don't use ww's full speed as an argument without also considering thor's full power. that way we can all live forever after.
Under KMC rules, everyone fights at their best.
Let's face it, Thor's speed is a joke compared to hers. But his strength is probably higher.
And who says she has to dodge? She's got an indestructible shield.
Definite 5/10. A split is the fairest you can get. Just be glad Wondy doesn't have prep, or Thor would be ****ed.
Originally posted by His Airness
Im fine with the 7/10 outcome. Aslong as its made clear she isnt winning.Its about as exaggerated as Supermans weakness to Kryptonite and red sun radiation. Yes its a problem but when faced with it hes not helpless.
sometimes i almost think its unfair to match up marvel heroes with DC's main cast. DC made their main heroes too strong... take for example superman. its as if the writers said, "hey, why don't we create the perfect hero? lets give him everything we can think of: superstrength, superspeed, heat vision, frost breath, invulnerability, flight, and a golden heart on top of it all." then they realize that no villain could possibly pose a threat to him, so they decided to create kryptonite to give him a weakness. years later, they probably ran out of villains to exploit kryptonite so they also made him vulnerable to magic.
then they create superman's soulmate: wonderwoman. "hey let's make a girl version of superman." so they gave her superstrength, superspeed, and flight. yeah she doesn't have the heat vision and frostbreath, but she has fighting ability and a whole arsenal of magical weapons and to make it even worse, she doesn't have supes weakness for kryptonite and magic.
See what i'm getting at? DC gave them almost everything they could come up with at that time.
Batman is even worse. yeah he's just a man, but he's capable of conquering almost everything. he even beat the whole JLA.
All i'm saying, is that marvels top heroes weren't given such a perfect creation. hulk is uber strong, but he's slow and only gets strong when he's mad. juggernaut is strong and invulnerable, but he's dumb as a rock. gladiator is superfast, superstrong, flies, and has heat vision, but all these are dependent on his super fragile confidence.
Originally posted by FrothByte
sometimes i almost think its unfair to match up marvel heroes with DC's main cast. DC made their main heroes too strong... take for example superman. its as if the writers said, "hey, why don't we create the perfect hero? lets give him everything we can think of: superstrength, superspeed, heat vision, frost breath, invulnerability, flight, and a golden heart on top of it all." then they realize that no villain could possibly pose a threat to him, so they decided to create kryptonite to give him a weakness. years later, they probably ran out of villains to exploit kryptonite so they also made him vulnerable to magic.then they create superman's soulmate: wonderwoman. "hey let's make a girl version of superman." so they gave her superstrength, superspeed, and flight. yeah she doesn't have the heat vision and frostbreath, but she has fighting ability and a whole arsenal of magical weapons and to make it even worse, she doesn't have supes weakness for kryptonite and magic.
See what i'm getting at? DC gave them almost everything they could come up with at that time.
Batman is even worse. yeah he's just a man, but he's capable of conquering almost everything. he even beat the whole JLA.
All i'm saying, is that marvels top heroes weren't given such a perfect creation. hulk is uber strong, but he's slow and only gets strong when he's mad. juggernaut is strong and invulnerable, but he's dumb as a rock. gladiator is superfast, superstrong, flies, and has heat vision, but all these are dependent on his super fragile confidence.
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Originally posted by FrothByte
sometimes i almost think its unfair to match up marvel heroes with DC's main cast. DC made their main heroes too strong... take for example superman. its as if the writers said, "hey, why don't we create the perfect hero? lets give him everything we can think of: superstrength, superspeed, heat vision, frost breath, invulnerability, flight, and a golden heart on top of it all." then they realize that no villain could possibly pose a threat to him, so they decided to create kryptonite to give him a weakness. years later, they probably ran out of villains to exploit kryptonite so they also made him vulnerable to magic.then they create superman's soulmate: wonderwoman. "hey let's make a girl version of superman." so they gave her superstrength, superspeed, and flight. yeah she doesn't have the heat vision and frostbreath, but she has fighting ability and a whole arsenal of magical weapons and to make it even worse, she doesn't have supes weakness for kryptonite and magic.
See what i'm getting at? DC gave them almost everything they could come up with at that time.
Batman is even worse. yeah he's just a man, but he's capable of conquering almost everything. he even beat the whole JLA.
All i'm saying, is that marvels top heroes weren't given such a perfect creation. hulk is uber strong, but he's slow and only gets strong when he's mad. juggernaut is strong and invulnerable, but he's dumb as a rock. gladiator is superfast, superstrong, flies, and has heat vision, but all these are dependent on his super fragile confidence.
I agree...
I mean look at Thor, the son of Odin and Gaea, a mere Skyfather and a lowly Elder god...
He's just the prince of Asgard, with superstrength, superhuman durability and others as his birthright...
They also gave him worthless trinkets such as an enchanted hammer which is basically useless in a fight, a silly belt of strength that adds to his measly class 100 strength...
I understand man...
Did I mention he also has luxuriant flowing blond hair?...
Originally posted by TricksterPriestthor has way more at the dinner tabkle than wonderwoman. she gets smashed 90 percent of the time. id like to see wonderoman take on mangog. what a laugh that would be.
Under KMC rules, everyone fights at their best.Let's face it, Thor's speed is a joke compared to hers. But his strength is probably higher.
And who says she has to dodge? She's got an indestructible shield.
Definite 5/10. A split is the fairest you can get. Just be glad Wondy doesn't have prep, or Thor would be ****ed.
Originally posted by His Airness
Does anyone have any combat speed scans for Diana?Also has anyone pointed out Dianas record against top tier characters?
No scan but:
She supposedy can fly a over 1,000,000 mph in Earth's atmsphere and fight and react at lightspeeds because she fought zoom, and a character has to be able to fight at lightspeeds against zoom.
She lassoed MM before he could react.
She can block machine gun bullets from all sides, which also translates into her being able to fight at light speeds offensively.
That's about it.
To bad a lot of you all know nothing of thor. His flight speed is ftl which is enough to keep up with wonderwoman. Its in his bio in the marvel encyclopedia and also says it here.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
No scan but:She supposedy can fly a over 1,000,000 mph in Earth's atmsphere and fight and react at lightspeeds because she fought zoom, and a character has to be able to fight at lightspeeds against zoom.
She lassoed MM before he could react.
She can block machine gun bullets from all sides, which also translates into her being able to fight at light speeds offensively.
That's about it.
She got the hell beaten out of her by zoom landing one good lick. Zoom was punching her from one continent to the other and she claimed herself that that was the hardest punch that she ever felt.