Thor vs. Wonder Woman

Well Replikon didn't have Diana's skill or experience, I recall.

In any event, I know for a fact that Rucka felt that with her skills, Diana had a very slight edge on Superman 1v1. I don't feel that Sacrifice clearly showed Superman had the advantage, though it did show he was more powerful (which Rucka had always said). But it also didn't show that Diana had a clear advantage--or was necessarily even equal. To this day I have no idea why. Maybe editorial got involved, as I said.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Well Replikon didn't have Diana's skill or experience, I recall.

In any event, I know for a fact that Rucka felt that with her skills, Diana had a very slight edge on Superman 1v1. I don't feel that Sacrifice clearly showed Superman had the advantage, though it did show he was more powerful (which Rucka had always said). But it also didn't show that Diana had a clear advantage--or was necessarily even equal. To this day I have no idea why. Maybe editorial got involved, as I said.

Superman oneshotted her and was breaking her arm like a twig. How's that not having an edge?

He has a power edge. No one, including Rucka, has ever disputed that. But he didn't actually put her permanently down in Sacrifice. So while I can't give Diana the unambiguous win, I can't give it to Superman either.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
He has a power edge. No one, including Rucka, has ever disputed that. But he didn't actually put her permanently down in Sacrifice. So while I can't give Diana the unambiguous win, I can't give it to Superman either.

In any event, I think we agree that Sacrifice was ambiguous in many ways.

About wonder woman's victory? It wasn't. It wasn't a win in any sense of the world.

Fun fact, breaking mind control isn't a win.

Oh, no, of course not. But stuff that leads to breaking mind control can be- like, say, if she'd immobilized him with her lasso, it'd be a win. Or, of course, cutting his throat.

I don't think 'has his throat cut and has to hold both his hands over his neck until the wound closes,' is particularly 'ambiguous.'

I mean, 30 seconds of bleeding, unable to use arms to defend, and she still has the tiara, rather leaves a few seconds of 'so koed that Superman can't even get close enough to attack before she recovers,' in the dust, doesn't it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Skills only get you so far.

Skill and a magic tiara, on the other hand...

Superman oneshotted her and was breaking her arm like a twig. How's that not having an edge?

Her blows, in turn, hurt him enough that when coming out of a crater he was limping and holding his side, his ears were bleeding.... and then she cuts this throat. Total damage tally: A broken wrist, some burns, and a second out in exchange for hurt leg, bruised ribs, bleeding ears, and cut throat. It's not actually hard to argue Superman got the worst of it.

What you should take from that is, "When these two are serious, they both hurt. Because a fight between two powerhouses at this level, no holding back? Is a brutal, bloody thing."

(You should also take from it, 'these two are resilient/fast recovering as heck,' because they both went right back to heroing and an hour later Diana was fighting a trio of Alpha-level OMACS- the ones meant for herald level enemies, and didn't even show signs of fatigue.)

It is funny how you ignore half the fight to get your conclusion, Superman was pretty heavily messed up himself, and the fight had clear parts where each of them was winning. Superman in the sky, Wonder Woman on the ground, and Wonder Woman again in Max's castle.

To put it in MMA terms, three round fight, first round to Superman with a solid down but no finish, WW recovers in the second round and wins that one, and then WW won the tiebreaker with a devastating hit out the gate that left Supes unable to properly defend himself.

Sacrifice was that good kind of comic fight- One that made both combatants look good. Superman clearly showed superior power and flight speed, but WW had skill and close-in ability, and the hard-to-apply but potentially insta-win power of her artifacts.

Your stance was just as laughable years ago as it is now.

Your stance still ignores the results of the actual fight 🙂

Diana is second to superman at her best and in her own comic. At his best he is a different beast altogether.

Sacrifice was an event comic approved at the highest levels by one of DC's top writers who's outcome was a cornerstone to the event. Pull the other one 🙂

And specifically was Superman not holding back, plus had him fighting using his powers well. Opening move- Blitz into the sun while heatvisioning! On here, that only happens with CIS-off bloodlusted! So it's not like it was even holding-back Superman. of the kind CM has stalemated. Overly aggressive, yes, and that cost him, but fighting using his powers very well, he wasn't mindless range or losing any of his skill.

You can make all the excuses you want, but what was there was there, and your attempts to argue otherwise by literally just ignoring half the fight are as laughable as ever 🙂

I agree that Sacrifice isn't a clear win for Superman. But not knowing his opponent even had a tiara, well that can't have helped him out.

Originally posted by Q99
Oh, no, of course not. But stuff that leads to breaking mind control can be- like, say, if she'd immobilized him with her lasso, it'd be a win. Or, of course, cutting his throat.

You can make all the excuses you want, but what was there was there, and your attempts to argue otherwise by literally just ignoring half the fight are as laughable as ever 🙂

What I find truly hilarious that Q99 makes this same arguments every three months and runs away after my reply only to make the same argument again.

She is true wonder woman fan, only able to run away and make the same mistake again and again.

Don't see anything wrong with Q99 post. You all are just seeing the fight from a different stance/perspective which means your argument doesn't hold weight over what she is saying. If she thinks WW had the advantage, then oh well...looking at her argument, I can see why she thinks that. If you think Superman held the advantage, then oh well, I can see where you get your stance from as well. You are not the god of FACTS ABHIGAIL. She voiced her opinion, so leave if be.

As for the fight, Wonder Woman can win...she has the potential and the tools to win.

the lack of Thor in this thread is disturbing

Actually, it's the best thing that could possibly happen.

Originally posted by Warlord
the lack of Thor in this thread is disturbing win

Here, fixed 😄

Originally posted by carver9
Don't see anything wrong with Q99 post. You all are just seeing the fight from a different stance/perspective which means your argument doesn't hold weight over what she is saying. If she thinks WW had the advantage, then oh well...looking at her argument, I can see why she thinks that. If you think Superman held the advantage, then oh well, I can see where you get your stance from as well. You are not the god of FACTS ABHIGAIL. She voiced her opinion, so leave if be.

As for the fight, Wonder Woman can win...she has the potential and the tools to win.

uhuh

Originally posted by Warlord
the lack of Thor in this thread is disturbing

you're just jealous cause you don't have long blond hair 😮‍💨

Talking to yourself?

was meant for stilt... too early to be drunk...lol

Abhi, shut the **** up. You're || this close to getting banned, so really, if you want to get banned, then keep at it.

And this is coming from someone that actually thinks using Sacrifice doesn't actually help Wonder Woman debaters as much as some might think. She did well against Superman, true, but she still lost imo. Her killing Lord is proof of that to me.

Carver, stay out of it. Backseat modding isn't your strong suit.

Sowwy. I apologize for coming a bit strong.

sadwalk

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Actually, it's the best thing that could possibly happen.

Here, fixed 😄

Wow you hate Thor, Surfer, Spider-man, Thanos? What do you have against good characters? 😛