Nebaris, stop acting so damn ignorant on the "movie speeds" issue. We've read the thread where Chee specifically states that the movie speeds do not contradict the EU speeds; if the RotS novelization says that Sidious was "a blur", then guess what? He was a blur, and this is an irrefutable fact. If you keep challenging it, I'll report you to REX or Ushgarak, and they can take it over from here, and Ush is pretty much "final" in his decisions.
Originally posted by Borbarad
a) Kun is shown to wield his double-blade one-handed. The only one-handed combat style in the SW universe is. DAMN. MAKASHI ! No shit. Aside of that the inventor of the lightsaber forms lists Kun as Maksahi user. So ?
There certainly are several lightsaber users, who don't practice Makashi, that we've seen fight with one hand. Anakin, for instance against Cin Drallig, and Obi-Wan. Ki-Adi-Mundi blocks incoming blaster fire with only using a single hand. Obi-Wan Kenobi, when he twirls his lightsaber like a baton for seemingly no reason at all.
Exar Kun only utilizes two strikes with his double bladed lightsaber against Vodo. He draws it back, launches one attack, and finally drives the blade through Vodo-Siosk Baas' quarterstaff. Both are hammer like strikes. From that, he must be proficient in Form II? I don't see how that's necessarily true at all. Aside from the fact on every single occasion, he's clearly shown using his brute strength to its utmost effectiveness with two hands, save for his second bout as a padawan (when it would be impossible).
If you're referring to Star Wars Insider, issue 62, as the "inventor of lightsaber forms", then you're wrong there. Exar Kun was never noted as being proficient in Makashi:
I have all the pages regarding the Fightsaber article, and not a single mention of "Exar Kun" appears throughout the entire essay. Kun being a practitioner of Makashi was fabricated by some site; it's completely false.
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Where the hell does it say thousands of times? from what I remember, it doubled, provide proof or stop talking rubbish.
The actual source material, Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith.
"Exar Kun suddenly feels his rage multiply a thousand times...then a hundred thousand times...". You are apparently confusing the amulet increasing its discharge power through Exar Kun's anger with the fact that the amulet augments Kun's rage itself, which is what Nai is referring to.
Where's the proof for this? Only a select few of the Jedi even knew the wall of light technique.
And the New Essential Chronology, page 20 sates that the Jedi forces did indeed generate a wall of light on Yavin IV. It doesn't really matter if all the Jedi knew the ability or not, because as we see when Vodo-Siosk Baas and Nomi Sunrider utilize the power on Ulic, several other Jedi add their power. So, it's not necessity for all of them to be acquainted with the technique.
Well Nai was still kinda wrong, it was his rage that was multiplied a thousand times, not his power. As for the wall of light, it still only says that many Jedi used the technique on yavin, it doesn't say that all 1000 of them did so, and the range would surely have made a big impact; they were pretty far from Kun when performing the attack, so it can be assumed that it lost some of its power over the range.
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Well Nai was still kinda wrong, it was his rage that was multiplied a thousand times, not his power.
No, he stated that his hatred was increased, and because of that his power would've been, as well (not times a thousand, but still).
As for the wall of light, it still only says that many Jedi used the technique on yavin, it doesn't say that all 1000 of them did so, and the range would surely have made a big impact; they were pretty far from Kun when performing the attack, so it can be assumed that it lost some of its power over the range.
No, every single one of the Jedi conjoined their power into the attack (see: JA Sourcebook, tDSSB says "their combined power", which supports a deduction), and that was virtually all the Jedi in the galaxy, literally "thousands upon thousands". I don't know where you get the one thousand figure from.
They set the planet ablaze (by accident), and cleansed the entire thing, so that "nothing could survive". I'm not seeing how the 'range' would've played a substantial role going by sheer numbers alone.
I've already said that every single Jedi didn't actually have to use the ability itself, they merely supplement the strength of the attack by adding their own power, as we have seen demonstrated before, which was already pointed out by myself. Vodo-Siosk Baas and Nomi Sunrider are the ones who know the "blocking" of the force ability, yet Cay Qel-Droma, Dace Diath, and the others give their support to "cement the temporary wall of light".
Originally posted by GideonWell i was noting the point because n00baris likes to ramble how shitty vader is when it comes to lightsaber combat, With what you just told me about chees statement, i can now argue using what vader has done in the EU with his lightsaber and completely destroy nebaris pathetic "rebuttals".
That is irrelevant. Logic dictates that he isn't one of the fastest Jedi or Sith, nor is he a contender. He's not slow, but he's not super fast or agile, either.
Well yes vader is decent, neither slow nor really fast
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
http://swtimeline.ru/?comics=11&page=009
ZOMG, D4rtH Mavl wieldz MAkashi!!!
I think I said that about a year ago.
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Except potential has nothing to do with how quickly you progress. So you fail again, unlucky.
I can't believe how stupid you really are. So potential has nothing to do with progress ? Hence Luke was capable of becoming a Jedi with less than six months of training ? Potential obviously matters a lot.
Yeah, and I went over the link again the other day, and Lightsnake phrased the question extremely strangely, it's likely Leland Chan didn't know what he was saying. The facts are: The movies are the highest form of canon. The movies are not theatre adaption, but visual mediums with the purpose of perfectly showing what happens in the story. In other words, arguing that Mace and Sidious weren't moving as slowly as they were shown to be in the movie is arguing against canon.
No, idiot. Once again: The movies are showing what happens in a way the audience is able to actually perceive it. It doesn't make sense to put things not perceiveable into a movie. Just imagine the look of combatants moving so fast that they are just perceiveable as blurs on screen. You would just see some blurs of color depending on what the people wear. Actually I can't believe that I have to explain that concept as five year old kids are normally able to understand it.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm........ Maybe, just maybe, he'll use a force shield, like he does for defending against every other offensive technique used against him, silly one. The force shield is a universal defence, it's function is to defend against any force based attacks, and it would be sufficient a defence in this instance.
Oh yes, dude. Aside from the fact that a force shield only offers limited protection, Kun in terms of raw power is leagues above Bane. Meaning he could overwrite any defence Bane can come up with.
What don't you get about 'perfect power, perfect strength, perfect destiny?' What don't you get about 'near perfect and immortal being?' What don't you get about 'ultimate sith, a sort of sith chosen one?' Really Nai, learn to read, you've been spending way too much time jumping around screaming 'Whoopie,' PAY MORE ATTENTION!!!
Why do you always come up with Yuthura Ban's personal interpretation of the prophecy ? The prophecy only says that Sith'ari will
a) be a being that fits the Sith ideal (no restrictions) perfectly
b) lead the Sith
c) destroy them just to make them stronger
And while I don't have any doubt that Bane does actually fit that description the best, that doesn't translate into "epitome of power". And where did you get that "near perfect and immortal being" from ? Or the "ultimate Sith" ?
Really. You should learn to apply some logical reasoning when trying to construct an argument. Kun had by far more knowledge than Bane and more force power, naturally as well as through his "gimmicks". That's pretty apparent.
Where the hell does it say thousands of times? from what I remember, it doubled, provide proof or stop talking rubbish.
See Advents posting.
Where's the proof for this? Only a select few of the Jedi even knew the wall of light technique.
See Advents posting.
Yeah, where the hell is it said that the amulet blasts are immaterial? That's complete rubbish. And the reason we never see them being blocked is because they were only ever used against people who suck. There's a reason why Kun didn't use them against ulic, you know, and it's because they're not as uber as you see to think.
Remind me. Since when do energy beams consist of matter, eh ? This is force energy as you might have noticed. What you said is basically that Bane could "force push a force choke" so to say. That's complete rubbish.
Actually it was directly stated by the omniscient narrator that he knew every move and sequence to the saberstaff perfectly. And yes, there are 'advanced forms', Kas'im perfected and completed all seven standard forms (what Mace did to Juyo, except kas'im did it to all the forms). And so what Kun invented the saberstaff? the knowledge of how he did so presumably died with him, so clearly it was (along with a style) created again with no prior knowledge to work from, thus it would be completely different to Kun's. Thus, Bane's form is as alien to Kun as Kun's is to Bane.
Even if Kas'im perfected (meaning: made better) the lightsaber forms they would still be based on the original forms. Yet Bane still just uses form V which is Kun's normal form. So he would now Bane's form at least far better than Bane would know his.
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http://swtimeline.ru/?comics=11&page=009
ZOMG, D4rtH Mavl wieldz MAkashi!!!
Yeah, right. Now as you just mentioned, the form was the one Kun used with his saberstaff, which he made, so it definitely can't have been Makashi. Unless you'd go as far as to propose that Kun invented Makashi. Doublebladed style!! [Nai]Yipee!!![/Nai]
Oh yeah. I did forget I'm talking to an idiot.
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The author of the original article (David West Reynolds) lists Kun as Makashi user.
LOL! Yeah, if I actually cared whether he had mastered Djem So or not (I don't, because it doesn't matter), I'm thinking I might not be trusting your comicbook analysing skills anytime too soon. Sorry. 🙁
Since that was the only way known to wield a lightsaber when the comics were written, you don't need any interpretation. The two-handed powerful lightsaber swings are pretty much speaking for themselves.
Yeah, I really don't need to, I'm fine with defeating every one of your points as I get through them, it's much funner this way, and less energy consuming!! 😱
Your fine with living in your happy world of denial. Stay there. Have fun. But don't try to debate.
