Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm did not overpower the elements, her powers were boosted to the umpteen degree purely because of the environment. Professor X even accidentally released his astral form and just started wailing on them with his astral fists because of how powerful the dimension made them.
What you think Storm can do means as diddly squat to the actual character.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Empty space did not mean the fabric of reality.Storm did not overpower the elements, her powers were boosted to the umpteen degree purely because of the environment. Professor X even accidentally released his astral form and just started wailing on them with his astral fists because of how powerful the dimension made them.
What you think Storm can do means as diddly squat to the actual character.
Absolutely not. Storm merely controlled the forces that governed that reality as she does in any reality.
I already explained the Xavier thing earlier.
Here is what I said:
The energies of this dimension benefit Xavier as its frequencies
increases his TP powers as certain energies can affect TP. (For example, cerebro can enhance TP, EM fields, if manipulated correctly, can cripple long range TP as Magneto has demonstrated on a number of occassions. The list goes on.)
As you can see, what happened to the other characters have no bearing on Ororo. Stop trying to use them as weapons in this debate. Her powers are different from theirs. Xavier's powers can be affected by the energies/environment. Storm *controls* the environment. Here, she simply tapped into enough power to overcome those 3 beings which were the sum of the dimension. Not bad for a PF level character. 😉
Originally posted by Rutog98
Isn't that what you think of me? 😉 I just know that I'm right. That's all. 😄
A lot of people think they're right.
But when a character has years and years of continuity two or three things aren't really enough to change that especially since the circumstances in both cases were unusual.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Absolutely not. Storm merely controlled the forces that governed that reality as she does in any reality.I already explained the Xavier thing earlier.
In the Marvel universe, psionic energy is on the EM spectrum.
That dimension was obviously either super saturated or maybe its natural energy had a crazy empowering effect on the energy at least those two characters emit.
As far as I know, Nightcrawler has always teleported through a dimension with monsters in it, but the energy from the Trion dimension reacted with the rift and let one through.
Gambit... I don't know what his problem was. Nice throw, ass.
Ok
So, this is my question:
Even if we give Rutog and 2damn the benefit of the doubt in their interpretation of what?, at MOST a dozen feats that in some way insinuate Storm is more than a weather manipulator, that leaves HUNDREDS of appearances where she does nothing near that level.
Even if we ignore the standard PIS rules or whatever, the sheer statistical insignificance of these feats makes them pretty much useless in a debate here.
But lets forget all that too, I figure I know what your response will be. Let us assume for a moment that Storm truly does control reality and the universe on the level you describe...
Why has she never done it?
Even the feats you show are VERY low end energy manipulation, especially when looked at from a COSMIC level...
Why does she limit herself against enemies that could kill her friends and team when she could just destroy them in the blink of an eye?
Why didn't she kill Onslaught instantly? Or Bastion? Why didn't she single handedly end the Civil War?
Originally posted by inimalist
OkSo, this is my question:
Even if we give Rutog and 2damn the benefit of the doubt in their interpretation of what?, at MOST a dozen feats that in some way insinuate Storm is more than a weather manipulator, that leaves HUNDREDS of appearances where she does nothing near that level.
Even if we ignore the standard PIS rules or whatever, the sheer statistical insignificance of these feats makes them pretty much useless in a debate here.
But lets forget all that too, I figure I know what your response will be. Let us assume for a moment that Storm truly does control reality and the universe on the level you describe...
Why has she never done it?
Even the feats you show are VERY low end energy manipulation, especially when looked at from a COSMIC level...
Why does she limit herself against enemies that could kill her friends and team when she could just destroy them in the blink of an eye?
Why didn't she kill Onslaught instantly? Or Bastion? Why didn't she single handedly end the Civil War?
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Blame the writers. Rudy and 2cloud are right and Marvel is wrong.
I can't believe they would still be Storm fans after all of these years though.
I can't imagine picking up an issue of my favorite character month after month just to see the writers depowering them and writing them so poorly.
Originally posted by inimalist
OkSo, this is my question:
Even if we give Rutog and 2damn the benefit of the doubt in their interpretation of what?, at MOST a dozen feats that in some way insinuate Storm is more than a weather manipulator, that leaves HUNDREDS of appearances where she does nothing near that level.
Even if we ignore the standard PIS rules or whatever, the sheer statistical insignificance of these feats makes them pretty much useless in a debate here.
But lets forget all that too, I figure I know what your response will be. Let us assume for a moment that Storm truly does control reality and the universe on the level you describe...
Why has she never done it?
Even the feats you show are VERY low end energy manipulation, especially when looked at from a COSMIC level...
Why does she limit herself against enemies that could kill her friends and team when she could just destroy them in the blink of an eye?
Why didn't she kill Onslaught instantly? Or Bastion? Why didn't she single handedly end the Civil War?
What STUPID questions😆
Hell, why HAS she done anything remotely on a cosmic scale OUSTSIDE of her Earth-based weather manipualtion, "low-end or not??
Both questions nullify each other and no answer can be provided lest you sit down and talk to the creators, writers, and editors of the comics. 😕
What you also fail to realize is that it IS her power, not a FEAT, to manipulate universal energies the way she does.
It IS HER POWER, no extrapolation really needed.
X-men Unlimited issue#1 Storm states herself She is the Mistress of the Storm, be it Tropical, COSMIC, or Artic.
It's just the way it is.
Deal, or No deal. It doesn't really matter.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Nice throw, ass.
LOL! So now this is what you have been reduced to, eh? Well, I don't use profanity in real life and I'm not going to do it on the internet. This is really pathetic when you have to go to this level because you disagree with me on a comic character. Grow up!
Originally posted by 2damnloud
What STUPID questions😆Hell, why HAS she done anything remotely on a cosmic scale OUSTSIDE of her Earth-based weather manipualtion, "low-end or not??
re: Statistical signifigance
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Both questions nullify each other and no answer can be provided lest you sit down and talk to the creators, writers, and editors of the comics. 😕
double standard
Originally posted by 2damnloud
What you also fail to realize is that it IS her power, not a FEAT, to manipulate universal energies the way she does.It IS HER POWER, no extrapolation really needed.
X-men Unlimited issue#1 Storm states herself She is the Mistress of the Storm, be it Tropical, COSMIC, or Artic.
It's just the way it is.
Deal, or No deal. It doesn't really matter.
"Mistress of the Storm" by title refers to weather phenomena. Find one reference to Storm's powers that does not explicitly include reference to the weather.
Originally posted by Rutog98
LOL! So now this is what you have been reduced to, eh? Well, I don't use profanity in real life and I'm not going to do it on the internet. This is really pathetic when you have to go to this level because you disagree with me on a comic character. Grow up!
You completely skipped the entire content of my post and decided to comment on my critique of Gambit's terrible card throw? Why?
I'm literally flabbergasted. Bu... Wher... Oh lord, I need to lay down.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
...What? I am honestly confused.You completely skipped the entire content of my post and decided to comment on my critique of Gambit's terrible card throw? Why?
I'm literally flabbergasted. Bu... Wher... Oh lord, I need to lay down.
Ah. I misunderstood then. When you said, 'What a throw,' I thought you were referring to my argument and calling me the profanity. I did not think you were referring to Gambit. Sorry. 😉
Originally posted by inimalist
re: Statistical signifigance
Please. 🙄
Statistically significant based on what assertion exactly, that Storm bends the forces of the universe to her will??? That really need not be done ad nauseum since(although I would like it to be), once again, it's her POWER, not a FEAT. What's there to really prove, that she can do it??? That's stupid since it IS her power, thus it goes without saying that she can do it. Also notwithstanding the fact that she has done it MORE than enough times already. It's really pathetic excuse at this point😆
Originally posted by inimalist
double standard
Explain
Originally posted by inimalist
"Mistress of the Storm" by title refers to weather phenomena. Find one reference to Storm's powers that does not explicitly include reference to the weather.
And me finding this would prove what exactly??😆
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Please. 🙄Statistically significant based on what assertion exactly, that Storm bends the forces of the universe to her will??? That really need not be done ad nauseum since(although I would like it to be), once again, it's her POWER, not a FEAT. What's there to really prove, that she can do it??? That's stupid since it IS her power, thus it goes without saying that she can do it. Also notwithstanding the fact that she has done it MORE than enough times already. It's really pathetic excuse at this point😆
???
statistical significance, how often something occurs.
If 99.9999999% of Storm's appearances put her at one level, thats where she is.
There are rules, in the forum vs rules thread, that state this explicitly.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Explain
Every claim you have for storm, including your interpretation of her powerset, have no basis in comics, however you think they are viable.
However, any other interpretation is false because it fails to provide the same evidence you cannot provide for your argument.
Not that I agree with your argument in the first place, its just that I am not going to try and argue against a logical fallacy.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
And me finding this would prove what exactly??😆
ummm, this:
Originally posted by 2damnloud
That really need not be done ad nauseum since(although I would like it to be), once again, it's her POWER, not a FEAT.
Originally posted by inimalist
???statistical significance, how often something occurs.
If 99.9999999% of Storm's appearances put her at one level, thats where she is.
There are rules, in the forum vs rules thread, that state this explicitly.
And it happend enough times. 😕
Originally posted by inimalist
Every claim you have for storm, including your interpretation of her powerset, have no basis in comics, however you think they are viable.However, any other interpretation is false because it fails to provide the same evidence you cannot provide for your argument.
Not that I agree with your argument in the first place, its just that I am not going to try and argue against a logical fallacy.
I think you really need to re-evaluate my stance on Storm.
I've never claimed anything that wasn't cannon or within her abilities
Originally posted by inimalistummm, this:
Again, you need to re-evaluate 😎
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A lot of people think they're right.But when a character has years and years of continuity two or three things aren't really enough to change that especially since the circumstances in both cases were unusual.
Well, here's the problem, okay: Storm controls the forces that govern the universe and she has a unity with life itself. Her power over the weather is an expression of that as is her control over water and ocean currents and lava flows (she did create an earthquake afterall. Call me on it and I'll throw the scan at ya. 😉 ), stars, empty space, etc.