Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Reality is not energy manipulation.Seriously if you honestly think that Storm can control reality due to power of EM you are the single most deluded person I have ever met.
I don't think it is due to her power over EM. She taps into the energies that compose/govern the universe itself. She has a unity with life and that is the source of her powers. Its more on the mysticalesque side vs. Magneto who is purely scientific. She controls the energy that composes empty space itself.
Reality controlling is energy manipulation.
Originally posted by bean_machine
Hahahahahahahahaha 😆Nothing you presented in the scans you posted previously supports your conjecture that Storm could potentially become a reality manipulator.
That is just a ludicrous assumption of your.
Until it is stated or proven on panel, that theory is a bunch of shit
You should be laughing at yourself. That post I did with that scan delt with two different things. The first was her ability to manipulate even the energies that compose empty space thus it can go into reality. The second was with the EM thing.
That said, Magneto doesn't even need to be mentioned in the same breath as Storm. He can't even do things on a global scale without killing himself. Storm can do things cosmically.
Originally posted by Rutog98
You should be laughing at yourself. That post I did with that scan delt with two different things. The first was her ability to manipulate even the energies that compose empty space thus it can go into reality. The second was with the EM thing.That said, Magneto doesn't even need to be mentioned in the same breath as Storm. He can't even do things on a global scale without killing himself. Storm can do things cosmically.
The level you think that Storm can do this is very laughable, until a great enough source of power is given. It is all speculation until then.
Anyways, a force that exists before and after the big bang is greater than a mutant that exists within the big bang.
Originally posted by Rutog98
I don't think it is due to her power over EM. She taps into the energies that compose/govern the universe itself. She has a unity with life and that is the source of her powers. Its more on the mysticalesque side vs. Magneto who is purely scientific.
I don't think Storm was ever meant to be anything more than a mutant.
Originally posted by Rutog98
She controls the energy that composes empty space itself.
No such energy exists and as far as I know it only been mentioned once.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Reality controlling is energy manipulation.
Not its not. Reality warpers can bend the laws of logic and nature.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm has infinite power considering he manipulates the base forces that govern the universe and even other dimensions.I've said in earlier threads, the Earth, and it's weather are no less part of, and/or governed by the same energy continuum that the stars, Jovian Planets, Empty space etc. are govened by.
Even when Storm finds herself in these diffrent enviroments, she finds that they are no different, although they may vary in quantity, thus the degree of control is subject to change, but hey are NO different than the same forces that govern earth and it's weather.
Through altering her perception, she can see the universe(which includes earth's weather, since earth is nothing but space dibris that is thrown into motion by the laws of said universe) She can see the universe as patterns of energy(Usually electrical since the universe almost PURLEY electrical), She can shape those energies to her will.
I'm not venturing to say she can manipulate reality in such ways as high-end reality manipulators. I AM saying that Strom, for all intents and purposes, technically has INFINITE power.
Exactly and she can wield this power potentially on an unlimited scale as she has the potential to evolve and her powers then would be limited only to the force of her will and body. I think Storm can potentially do whatever she pleases, honestly. The foundation is there.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I don't think Storm was ever meant to be anything more than a mutant.
Really? Then why does X-Treme issue 5 say that she will transcend humanity and evolve into a true goddess, hmmm? Why did she evolve in Uncanny 147?
No such energy exists and as far as I know it only been mentioned once.
Everything is composed of energy.
Not its not. Reality warpers can bend the laws of logic and nature.
Storm can too. I can remember in Legion Quest the comment made about Storm, "The laws of nature don't bend this far, so she will break them..." True, she was not altering reality there, but your comment about bending laws of logic and nature is not a strong rebuttle for this character.
Originally posted by What If...
Rutog, who is this Ann Nocenti in your little sig quote?For a writer, or someone of importance, she has horrible grammar.
I believe she also created the character Blackheart and may have written "Daredevil" for a while. She also wrote some "Inhuman" stuff way back when.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Really? Then why does X-Treme issue 5 say that she will transcend humanity and evolve into a true goddess, hmmm? Why did she evolve in Uncanny 147?
And Spiderman has a relation to the spider totem thingy. Is he going to become a god.
If I had the time I could probably go find references to every character in comic history being a potential god.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Everything is composed of energy.
Space =/= Energy
HiggsBoson =/= Energy
Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm can too. I can remember in Legion Quest the comment made about Storm, "The laws of nature don't bend this far, so she will break them..." True, she was not altering reality there, but your comment about bending laws of logic and nature is not a strong rebuttle for this character. [/B]
Has Storm every displayed, on panel evidence of her being on par with Jaspers?
Originally posted by Rutog98
Basically, here is the story in a nutshell:The Trion, the three god entites of some reality, attempt to purify themselves by literally ripping the evil out of themselves. This evil energy finds a home in the Juggernaut which boosts his powers to where he can literally punch his way through dimensions. He is wreaking havok in the Trion dimension. Rather than sullying their hands and dealing with him themselves, she send this character, Ejulp, or something or other to bring the X-Men there to stop him.
The energies of this dimension benefit Xavier as its frequencies
increases his TP powers as certain energies can affect TP. (For example, cerebro can enhance TP, EM fields, if manipulated correctly, can cripple long range TP as Magneto has demonstrated on a number of occassions. The list goes on.)Nightcrawler, as usual, teleports by creating a entering another reality and convering the distance there, hence he creates a tear in reality. In this reality, however, when he uses his powers, there is a creature that lives in the reality he teleports through that comes up through the holes.
Everyone else is exactly the same. Storm controls the elemental forces of the reality, same as she does here, etc.
The Trion is afraid of Storm, Mistress of the Elements, and try to take her off the board as soon as she comes over. They ambush her. Of course, powerful as she is, it does not work. She breaks free and overpowers the Trion collectively single-handedly and mends a tear in reality.
Meanwhile, as she deals with the Trion, the X-Men deal with Juggernaut. Xavier ends up reaching into his mind and bringing Juggernaut to his senses and solves the Juggernaut problem.
Yeah um...some of this is just a little bit off.
First of all, Storms powers WHERE enhanced in that other dimension...
Here she attempts to fire off a lightning bolt at a creature, but instead causes the creature to simply vanish(which is a little bit more impressive in my opinion)...
Here what she normally does to part the clouds, instead clears away EVERYTHING...
So her powers WHERE increased within the Trion’s dimension.
As to why they where increased as much as they where, the answer to that is VERY simple. The Trion themselves aren't concepts like time and space(Eternity and Infinity), they are actual ELEMENTAL concepts…
They represented the actual elemental concepts of Earth, Air, and Water. And it was THEIR power Storm tapped into to beat them, not her own(Storm controls the elements and was in an element based dimension, so this actually makes perfect sense)…
So Storm DID manage to beat the fundamental forces of that dimension, but only because she was using their own power against them.
And as for her healing the tear in reality, again that wasn’t her power. She was tapping into the energies of the Trion who made up that dimension to repair the rift.
So Storm wasn’t really as impressive in that particular issue as your leading people to believe. She's just an elemental manipulator who managed to beat 3 elemental beings with their own power.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah um...some of this is just a little bit off.First of all, Storms powers WHERE enhanced in that other dimension...
Here she attempts to fire off a lightning bolt at a creature, but instead causes the creature to simply vanish(which is a little bit more impressive in my opinion)...
Here what she normally does to part the clouds, instead clears away EVERYTHING...
So her powers WHERE increased within the Trion’s dimension.
As to why they where increased as much as they where, the answer to that is VERY simple. The Trion themselves aren't concepts like time and space(Eternity and Infinity), they are actual ELEMENTAL concepts…
They represented the actual elemental concepts of Earth, Air, and Water. And it was THEIR power Storm tapped into to beat them, not her own(Storm controls the elements and was in an element based dimension, so this actually makes perfect sense)…
So Storm DID manage to beat the fundamental forces of that dimension, but only because she was using their own power against them.
And as for her healing the tear in reality, again that wasn’t her power. She was tapping into the energies of the Trion who made up that dimension to repair the rift.
So Storm wasn’t really as impressive in that particular issue as your leading people to believe. She's just an elemental manipulator who managed to beat 3 elemental beings with their own power.
Those three beings were the Trion, the godbeings of that reality. The sum of that whole dimension. They were the elemental forces of that universe incarnate. She single-handedly overpowered their control over the elemental forces there.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Those three beings were the Trion, the godbeings of that reality. The sum of that whole dimension. They were the elemental forces of that universe incarnate. She single-handedly overpowered their control over the elemental forces there.
Originally posted by darthgoober
So Storm wasn’t really as impressive in that particular issue as your leading people to believe. She's just an elemental manipulator who managed to beat 3 elemental beings with their own power.
She mananged to beat 3 elemental beings with their OWN power!!!
She literally showed that she had more DOMINION in THIER reality than they THMESLEVES do.
SOOOOO unimpressive. 😕 🙄
Some of you people go 2damnfar 😆
Originally posted by 2damnloud
She mananged to beat 3 elemental beings with their OWN power!!!She literally showed that she had more DOMINION in THIER reality than they THMESLEVES do.
SOOOOO unimpressive. 😕 🙄
Some of you people go 2damnfar 😆
Originally posted by darthgoober
She's was an elemental manipulator who managed to take out 3 elemental beings with their own power, nothing more.
With all due repsect, are you too dense to realize that the evidence you presented further undermines your argmument of Ororo's mediocrity, and supports claims of her having housed within herself infinite power due to her control over the fundemental forces of the universe, EVEN in OTHER realities???
I have one thing to say, THANX👆
Originally posted by 2damnloud
With all due repsect, are you too dense to realize that the evidence you presented further undermines your argmument of Ororo's mediocrity, and supports claims of her having housed within herself infinite power due to her control over the fundemental forces of the universe, EVEN in OTHER realities???I have one thing to say, THANX👆
Originally posted by darthgoober
She has nowhere near infinite power, otherwise she wouldn't have had to tap into the Trion's. Her powers where amped up just like the others and that's the only reason she was able to accomplish ANY of that crap. Stick her in another dimension where Earth, Air, and Water aren't the basis for the dimensions entirety, and she'd get her ass kicked against that dimensions equivalent of Trion.
Space had neither eath, air, or water. 😕
🙄
Originally posted by darthgoober
Sorry but I just don't see it as that big of a deal. She was able to tap into the same power source as them because of her mutant power over the elements, and it was that power she used to beat them. She controls the elements, they WHERE the elements(kinda like Colossus vs someone with magnetic powers in fact). That's not nearly as impressive as Rutog was trying to let on.
LOL! This is ridiculous. This is nothing like Colossus against Magneto/magnetic manipulator du jour. Colossus does not control metal. The Trion were the sum of that dimension and they CONTROLLED the forces. Storm simply demonstrated a higher degree of control and power.
