Storm vs Kitty Pride

Originally posted by phillipan
2dam If I actually believed you, which I dont, then I would think you are a very selfish person.

You claim that you arent telling us because you dont want ppl writing to claremont about how he over powered storm so in effect he'll de power her? Well how do u think we feel having some crazy fanboy complaining that storm isnt powerful enough? You are ruining the character. Your Opinions/speculations on storm are no more important than ours.

I understand storm is ur fav character but cmon she doesnt need to be superman (and she never will be). My fav character is the freakin Black Cat. Look at her shes a street leveler. Shes not even one of the best street levelers but I accept that.

She SHOULD be more poweful, or better yet, display expanded, more intricate versions off the powers she already has with more ease.

Also she needs more durability.

I don't want her to be full Goddess yet, just more evolution.

"I don't really want Storm at FP just yet. There would be nothing to do with the character if she's omnicient.

I do want upgrades: jovian pressure tk, being able to manipulate the weather world wide on a whim, durability, electromagnetic forcefields, Jovian pressure fields on a whim, more use to cosmic-level powers on earth(She should be able to produce temps as cold as maybe -200 and up to maybe the surface of the sun notwithstanding lightning also amybe Jovian Lightning and Jovian Electromagnetic phenomena), more use of transmutative abilities, More showings of her using winds that are thousands of miles per hour, More majical abilities, more flash freezing, Positive lightning blitzes, Acid rain, creating weather on the INSDIDE of people."

Originally posted by phillipan
First off thanks to Darthgoober we actually know what went down in the issue and not Rutogs Twisted version of it.

When storm bested the trion IT WAS THE NATURE OF HER POWERS that allowed her to win.

Let me repeat myself. It wasnt storms raw power that let her win it was the NATURE OF HER POWERS. None of the x-mens powers were functioning properly storm was greatly enhanced. The act of clearing clouds in our dimension was equivalent to erasing matter in that dimension.

Just like the Invisible Woman was able to crack a celestials armor because her forcefield and their energies were derived from the same hyperspace. Kind of like a specific puzzle piece fitting perfectly into th puzzle.

I did not twist anything. Storm's powers were not amplified in that issue at all as she merely controlled the forces that govern that reality. She does the same in this reality. ARe you keeping up? THAT IS THE NATURE OF HER POWERS. She controls the forces that govern whatever universe/reality/environment that she is in.

It was her RAW power that won the fight. The Trion controlled the same forces she controlled, hence she told them that she taps into the same power they do. So they control the same forces, but Storm proved to be more powerful. She is a PF level character. Deal with it. She is going to spike up in some issues to demonstrate this.

This is not like Invisible Woman and the Celestials. This is Storm controlling the forces that govern whatever reality she is in and proving herself to be Mistress of the Elements of whatever the forces are that compose and govern whatever reality or universe she's in. End of story. Stop getting desperate.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
She SHOULD be more poweful, or better yet, display expanded, more intricate versions off the powers she already has with more ease.

Also she needs more durability.

I don't want her to be full Goddess yet, just more evolution.

"I don't really want Storm at FP just yet. There would be nothing to do with the character if she's omnicient.

I do want upgrades: jovian pressure tk, being able to manipulate the weather world wide on a whim, durability, electromagnetic forcefields, Jovian pressure fields on a whim, more use to cosmic-level powers on earth(She should be able to produce temps as cold as maybe -200 and up to maybe the surface of the sun notwithstanding lightning also amybe Jovian Lightning and Jovian Electromagnetic phenomena), more use of transmutative abilities, More showings of her using winds that are thousands of miles per hour, More majical abilities, more flash freezing, Positive lightning blitzes, Acid rain, creating weather on the INSDIDE of people."

I agree with this.

i have no words for what this thread has become 👇

Originally posted by phillipan
Well how do u think we feel having some crazy fanboy complaining that storm isnt powerful enough? You are ruining the character. Your Opinions/speculations on storm are no more important than ours.

Very true. It is a double standard to assume that your position is the right one 2loud, just because you FEEL that Storm should be more powerful 😬

Originally posted by Rutog98
I did not twist anything. Storm's powers were not amplified in that issue at all as she merely controlled the forces that govern that reality.

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She even said it herself:
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Originally posted by Blair Wind
Very true. It is a double standard to assume that your position is the right one 2loud, just because you FEEL that Storm should be more powerful 😬

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She even said it herself:
http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightningkd7.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=opencloudsiy3.jpg

Nice scans, but where does it say that her powers were amplified? It does not say that anywhere. Do you not understand what I am getting at? That dimension's natural forces may behave differently from ours, but it is still ruled by energy and natural forces. Storm can control these forces. The Trion were the sum of the dimension. They were everything the dimension was, is and will be. They were the forces that governed that dimension personfied. The summation of it all probably like Eternity is to 616 dimension. Storm overpowered their control over the forces of that dimension. She also controls the forces that govern this dimension. This goes more to her PF level power.

It was Xavier's powers that were amplified by that environent as energies can enhance or hinder his power. Storm, on the other hand, controls those energies.

In the third panel, she thinks to her self how she meant to zap the creature, or maybe collapse the rift with a bolt, although I doubt she's smart enough to even grasp how to do that properly, instead it made the creature disappear. A far greater effect than she intended.

Using the same technique she'd use to break clouds, she erases everything. Far greater than she could normally do.

The very same powers that can summon a tornado or trigger a lightning bolt on Earth can be used to focus cosmic radiation because that's all their is out there in space for her powers to harness. The very same powers can be used to trigger unearthly effects in a realm of the unearthly.

If you've ever played Diablo II, you can think of it like the Necromancer's revive skill. On act 1, normal difficulty, very start of the game, he can revive little Fallen demons. They suck but that's what's around him to revive. Go to act 3 and there are much stronger monsters to revive, so his damage output is much higher for the same skill at the same level. Go to act 5 on hell difficulty and you can revive monsters that are whirlwinds of death, and the same Necromancer can revive them to do his bidding. Through the base ability of reviving bodies his effectiveness ranges greatly depending on where he is.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
In the third panel, she thinks to her self how she meant to zap the creature, or maybe collapse the rift with a bolt, although I doubt she's smart enough to even grasp how to do that properly, instead it made the creature disappear. A far greater effect than she intended.

Using the same technique she'd use to break clouds, she erases everything. Far greater than she could normally do.

The very same powers that can summon a tornado or trigger a lightning bolt on Earth can be used to focus cosmic radiation because that's all their is out there in space for her powers to harness. The very same powers can be used to trigger unearthly effects in a realm of the unearthly.

If you've ever played Diablo II, you can think of it like the Necromancer's revive skill. On act 1, normal difficulty, very start of the game, he can revive little Fallen demons. They suck but that's what's around him to revive. Go to act 3 and there are much stronger monsters to revive, so his damage output is much higher for the same skill at the same level. Go to act 5 on hell difficulty and you can revive monsters that are whirlwinds of death, and the same Necromancer can revive them to do his bidding. Through the base ability of reviving bodies his effectiveness ranges greatly depending on where he is.

You're agreeing with us😱

Storm controls the forces that govern WHEREVER she is.

Still, Storm overpowered God-like beings in their own dimension even when she wasn't sure how her powers would manifest.

She went to THEIR house and ruled them.

She also healed the reality.

Whether her powers were amplified or not, is irrelevant.

What amplified her powers??? The reality?? Are not the Trion, whom she bested, the Gods of that reality???

Eiehter way you look at it, it was powerful. It's no way you an downplay it.

DESPERATION is--> 😆 and--> 😘

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Whether her powers were amplified or not, is irrelevant.

Spiderman fought well against Superman in a crossover. Was the fact that his powers were amp for that fight irrelevant?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Spiderman fought well against Superman in a crossover. Was the fact that his powers were amp for that fight irrelevant?

How were her powers "amped"???

Or, is "amped" being used interchangably with "operating differently" while in a different reality??

It's very slick and insidious, but I can see through it.🤘

You act like I'm sweating buckets over my chalkboards and thesauruses looking for a way to twist the words around to please my sick fetish of depowering Storm but I'm just reading it right off the panel and coming to the simplest, most logical conclusion I can.

I like to think through all variables and I've done so for many of Storm's. I do see how you two could come to your respective conclusions but I just don't agree with them. They're way too over the top and fanciful for me to swallow based on the way Storm is normally portrayed. I just can't accept only a character's high showings as their normal ability level.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
You act like I'm sweating buckets over my chalkboards and thesauruses looking for a way to twist the words around to please my sick fetish of depowering Storm.

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ANother exmple: Storm is on an alien planet(I forgot the issue). It started to rain acid, she made an "umbrella" out of wind. She then became one with the elements on this Alien Planet. Here are the reults.

The Possibilities are literally INFINITE with a character like Storm.

She is a true 3-d Goddess😕

Originally posted by 2damnloud
ANother exmple: Storm is on an alien planet(I forgot the issue). It started to rain acid, she made an "umbrella" out of wind? She then ecame one with the elements on this Alien Planet. Here are the reults.

None of those powers are really beyond what she is supposed to be capable of with some cleverness.

On a planet she can manipulate that planet's weather to produce different effects that she might be able to on Earth. This hardly proves that she is a god.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
None of those powers are really beyond what she is supposed to be capable of with some cleverness.

On a planet she can manipulate that planet's weather to produce different effects that she might be able to on Earth. This hardly proves that she is a god.

Ahh, but they do prove that it IS her power to harness the powers of the universe in any reality or planet she is in or on.

The possiblities are endless.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
ANother exmple: Storm is on an alien planet(I forgot the issue). It started to rain acid, she made an "umbrella" out of wind. She then became one with the elements on this Alien Planet. Here are the reults.

The Possibilities are literally INFINITE with a character like Storm.

She is a true 3-d Goddess😕

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Ahh, but they do prove that it IS her power to harness the powers of the universe in any reality or planet she is in or on.

The possiblities are endless.

No it proves that when she has an atmosphere to work with her weather powers opperate as normal. She was on a planet and her powers treated it like it was Earth. She didn't control reality or harness the power of the universe (or even the entire planet)

The possibilites are hardly endless. They are certainly extensive however.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No it proves that when she has an atmosphere to work with her weather powers opperate as normal. She was on a planet and her powers treated it like it was Earth. She didn't control reality or harness the power of the universe (or even the entire planet)

The possibilites are hardly endless. They are certainly extensive however.

Empty space didn't have an "atmosphere".

Her powers treated the atmosphere there like earth?? Is that not what I've been saying😕--Earth is no less apart of the energy continuum of the universe--Storm's powers apply to all.

Again, the possibilities are infinite.

I've never stated that Storm can control reality.

It is a possibility though.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
She SHOULD be more poweful, or better yet, display expanded, more intricate versions off the powers she already has with more ease.

Also she needs more durability.

I don't want her to be full Goddess yet, just more evolution.

"I don't really want Storm at FP just yet. There would be nothing to do with the character if she's omnicient.

I do want upgrades: jovian pressure tk, being able to manipulate the weather world wide on a whim, durability, electromagnetic forcefields, Jovian pressure fields on a whim, more use to cosmic-level powers on earth(She should be able to produce temps as cold as maybe -200 and up to maybe the surface of the sun notwithstanding lightning also amybe Jovian Lightning and Jovian Electromagnetic phenomena), more use of transmutative abilities, More showings of her using winds that are thousands of miles per hour, More majical abilities, more flash freezing, Positive lightning blitzes, Acid rain, creating weather on the INSDIDE of people."

You see thats your opinion. I personally and most other ppl here think storm has had enough powerups. I like her where she is right now.

Second you say "she needs more durabilty". Uh, No she doesnt. Again your fanboy wishes. Storm has absolutely NO reason to gain any degree of superhuman durabilty. If she did she would basically be Thor Girl.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Empty space didn't have an "atmosphere".

Which is why I don't think it's valid to say that her powers can work in open space. They have been shown but it's not exactly common and contradicts what her power set has always been.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Her powers treated the atmosphere there like earth?? Is that not what I've been saying😕--Earth is no less apart of the energy continuum of the universe--Storm's powers apply to all.

Your logic is flawed.

Controling the energy of the universe does equal controling the energy of storms. However the opposite is not true.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Again, the possibilities are infinite.

No they're extensive. Admittedly Storm is underwritten sometimes but her power isn't limitless.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I've never stated that Storm can control reality.

Sorry that must have been Rutgo.