Storm vs Kitty Pride

Started by 2damnloud43 pages

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Do you even know what you just wrote?

"No evidence that Kitty can survive being ionized by Storm."
"No evidence that Storm can ionize Kitty."
"Therefore, Storm wins 10/10."

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Show me a scan of Storm ionizing a person.

None of Storm's attacks, save for the ONE chance in a billion attack, would even work against Kitty.

The most you can argue for is a stalemate.

You have no proof that Storm can't Ionize Kitty.

If Storm can Ionize air she can Ionize kitty.

Why would Kitty be different???

All Kitty would be are Atoms. What happens to Atoms when exposed to electical fileds??? Exactly.

What wouldn't Kitty just conduct Electricity??

😆

"Prove that Storm can't ionize Kitty!"

Prove that Mary Jane can't shoot fireballs out of her right (or was it the left?) pinky toe.

Originally posted by Soljer
"Prove that Storm can't ionize Kitty!"

Prove that Mary Jane can't shoot fireballs out of her right (or was it the left?) pinky toe.

Mary Jane has never shown the ability to munipulate fire in any way.

Storm has shown the ability to muniplate elctrons in intricate ways.

Kitty is a bunch of Atoms with orbiting electrons.

Storm flips to second sight, sees orbiting electrons, causes them to move, Lightning is born.

Storm sees Kitty's electrons and causes them to move or flow out of orbit, ionising her.

2damnloud see's Kitty and Kitty's ****ED. 😆

Or she just skips all that and EMPs her.

Originally posted by Soljer
"Prove that Storm can't ionize Kitty!"

Prove that Mary Jane can't shoot fireballs out of her right (or was it the left?) pinky toe.

Only positive statements can be proven 😬

Originally posted by 2damnloud

What wouldn't Kitty just conduct Electricity??

Because part of her phasing power has always been, since the first comic she appeared in, that electricity does jack shit to her when she phases?
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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Only positive statements can be proven 😬

Exactly.

Oh boy again

I changed some of the sentences around, they are from multiple posts of yours

Originally posted by 2damnloud

All Kitty would be are Atoms. What happens to Atoms when exposed to electical fileds?

I'll let you answer this:

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Ionisation is when an atom or molecule loses electrons.

Ionization can also be the adding of electrons to an atom, as an Ion is a particle with a charge. Unimportant:

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It is in storm's realm of power to cause Kitty to lose electrons.

hmmmmmmmmmm....

this is interesting. Maybe I missed something in the thread, but do you have a scan of her ionizing matter outside of manipulating weather patterns? Or creating plasma from solid matter? I know she has the solar wind feat, but this seems much different.

For instance, just because spider-man climbs on walls doesn't mean he controls friction.

I am also unaware of what ionizing all of kitties molecules would do. We are describing a fictional character that can phase through walls, I don't assume that altering the charge of her body is going to do much considering the outlandish physics already involved in her powers. Damn, we need to name the logical fallacy of applying real world standards to fictional events...

SO

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Once again, this is a completely hypothetical situation. That is just a way for Storm to win.

and

Originally posted by 2damnloud

I have no evidence that Storm could do it to her in comics. It's only a hypothetical option for her since already can do it to other particles.

So, in neuro-science, this German biophysicist just hypothesized that neurons in fact communicate by sound rather than by electrical conduction.

Even though this guy's math works out, and he does raise an interesting theoretical point, at the end of the day, there is no direct evidence that this is how neurons function (With the exception of a very strange phenomenon he describes) and there is overwhelming evidence for the "Ion Channel Hypothesis".

To relate this to what you are saying, sure, you have an interesting point. I would be interested in seeing the evidence that Storm can ionize trillions of atoms at once in solid matter in a way that has nothing to do with weather.

However, unless I missed it, this has never happened.

Debating hypothetical would be nice. I tend to get carried away in debating what I know or would do with a power set in much the same way you are here. Unfortunately the type of hypothesizing you are doing here is unacceptable in a forum of discussion like this, simply because it would allow for further extrapolations like spider-man controls friction.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
You have no proof that Storm can't Ionize Kitty.

Unfortunately it is impossible to prove a negative.

Prove that there is not a tea cup orbiting the sun.

It is impossible.

Also, it is YOU who are claiming that Storm CAN ionize kitty, thus placing the burden of proof on you. There is no reason to believe that Storm can ionize kitty until you have provided the required evidence to support this claim.

So far you have given an unsupported hypothesis extrapolated from your interpretation of the real science behind fictional super powers. Not to sound cheeky, but that isn't a very strong argument.

There is a whole philosophy behind what makes a valid argument, it's been going on for thousands of years.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm still wins since there is no way for Kitty to get close to her, let alone HURT her, yet Storm has long range electrical attacks and Wind driven dibris attacks that could possibly, in ALL likelyhood, KILL Kitty.

And finally, I co-sign this.

I wouldn't put nearly as much of a slant on it as you have, I don't think this is easy for Storm either, and if she isn't smart, she is going down fast.

I personally think this will be an endurance test for them both, but Storm should be able to outlast Kitty by staying away, and picking her moments.

If kitty can stay intangible forever though, I don't see a win for Storm

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Because part of her phasing power has always been, since the first comic she appeared in, that electricity does jack shit to her when she phases?
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/3888/9distrupselectromagneticfieldsgp9.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5596/13lightningdoesnotworkne6.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6941/51destroyssateliteexplouy8.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6732/53phasingcerebrori2.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6504/57scramblesystemshv6.jpg
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3445/59beatsskrull2zy2.jpg

And this is why I keep fighting the good fight. Because I know I'm right.

Kudos on the scans, DC. 🤘

Originally posted by inamilist
Oh boy again

I changed some of the sentences around, they are from multiple posts of yours

I'll let you answer this:

Ionization can also be the adding of electrons to an atom, as an Ion is a particle with a charge. Unimportant:

hmmmmmmmmmm....

this is interesting. Maybe I missed something in the thread, but do you have a scan of her ionizing matter outside of manipulating weather patterns? Or creating plasma from solid matter? I know she has the solar wind feat, but this seems much different.

For instance, just because spider-man climbs on walls doesn't mean he controls friction.

I am also unaware of what ionizing all of kitties molecules would do. We are describing a fictional character that can phase through walls, I don't assume that altering the charge of her body is going to do much considering the outlandish physics already involved in her powers. Damn, we need to name the logical fallacy of applying real world standards to fictional events...

[b]SO

and

So, in neuro-science, this German biophysicist just hypothesized that neurons in fact communicate by sound rather than by electrical conduction.

Even though this guy's math works out, and he does raise an interesting theoretical point, at the end of the day, there is no direct evidence that this is how neurons function (With the exception of a very strange phenomenon he describes) and there is overwhelming evidence for the "Ion Channel Hypothesis".

To relate this to what you are saying, sure, you have an interesting point. I would be interested in seeing the evidence that Storm can ionize trillions of atoms at once in solid matter in a way that has nothing to do with weather.

However, unless I missed it, this has never happened.

Debating hypothetical would be nice. I tend to get carried away in debating what I know or would do with a power set in much the same way you are here. Unfortunately the type of hypothesizing you are doing here is unacceptable in a forum of discussion like this, simply because it would allow for further extrapolations like spider-man controls friction.

Unfortunately it is impossible to prove a negative.

Prove that there is not a tea cup orbiting the sun.

It is impossible.

Also, it is YOU who are claiming that Storm CAN ionize kitty, thus placing the burden of proof on you. There is no reason to believe that Storm can ionize kitty until you have provided the required evidence to support this claim.

So far you have given an unsupported hypothesis extrapolated from your interpretation of the real science behind fictional super powers. Not to sound cheeky, but that isn't a very strong argument.

There is a whole philosophy behind what makes a valid argument, it's been going on for thousands of years.[/B]

It's always nice to see some intelligence every now and then.

Originally posted by inamilist
And finally, I co-sign this.

I wouldn't put nearly as much of a slant on it as you have, I don't think this is easy for Storm either, and if she isn't smart, she is going down fast.

I personally think this will be an endurance test for them both, but Storm should be able to outlast Kitty by staying away, and picking her moments.

If kitty can stay intangible forever though, I don't see a win for Storm

Kitty can, in fact, stay intangible forever if she wanted to. It is her natural state, after all. And she's more than smart enough to know to stay intangible when facing someone like Storm. That's why I keep telling 2damn that the most he/she can argue for is a stalemate. Storm can fly away, Kitty can remain undamaged.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
It's always nice to see some intelligence every now and then.

😮

thanks, I'm just trying to keep up

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Kitty can, in fact, stay intangible forever if she wanted to. It is her natural state, after all. And she's more than smart enough to know to stay intangible when facing someone like Storm. That's why I keep telling 2damn that the most he/she can argue for is a stalemate. Storm can fly away, Kitty can remain undamaged.

I'd probably leave it at that then.

Kitty shouldn't be able to get to Storm, Storm shouldn't be able to hurt her at all.

My take would be a stalemate with MAYBE a couple of percent to Kitty if Storm doesn't fight to her full ability.

Originally posted by inamilist
😮

thanks, I'm just trying to keep up

Haha, don't worry. It was a compliment. I'm just glad to see there are more intelligent people on this board then the ones I seem to constantly find myself debating against.

Originally posted by inamilist
I'd probably leave it at that then.

Kitty shouldn't be able to get to Storm, Storm shouldn't be able to hurt her at all.

My take would be a stalemate with MAYBE a couple of percent to Kitty if Storm doesn't fight to her full ability.

I agree.

Errmm...Stalemate?

Kitty can stay intangible till she passes away from old age.

How long can Storm stay in the air? 😬.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Haha, don't worry. It was a compliment. I'm just glad to see there are more intelligent people on this board then the ones I seem to constantly find myself debating against.

It's not even the arguing 🙂

I just wish people would look at the points they are making...

But yes, thank you, raise the roof and all. Honestly I wouldn't even call 2damn unintelligent, you need smarts to come up with stuff like that.

He just, you know, has the answer before he asks the question.

Originally posted by Soljer
How long can Storm stay in the air? 😬.

Probably until she falls asleep or has to eat.

Originally posted by inamilist
It's not even the arguing 🙂

I just wish people would look at the points they are making...

But yes, thank you, raise the roof and all. Honestly I wouldn't even call 2damn unintelligent, you need smarts to come up with stuff like that.

He just, you know, has the answer before he asks the question.

You're right, that was ignorant of me to call him unintelligent. He just seems to be lacking in common sense. And then he's got the problem of ignoring other facts, too. But ah well.

Originally posted by Soljer
Errmm...Stalemate?

Kitty can stay intangible till she passes away from old age.

How long can Storm stay in the air? 😬.

I think we kinda got into this in a Wolverine vs Green Goblin debate.

I agree, except for that it is the highest form of CIS for Storm to just hang there and wait to die...

Should there be a time restriction on fights? For instance, this would mean that Storm looses to a very dense ball of rubber...

Originally posted by Soljer
Errmm...Stalemate?

Kitty can stay intangible till she passes away from old age.

How long can Storm stay in the air? 😬.

That's a good question.

Originally posted by inamilist
Should there be a time restriction on fights? For instance, this would mean that Storm looses to a very dense ball of rubber...

😂

Originally posted by Metalmanx
You're right, that was ignorant of me to call him unintelligent. He just seems to be lacking in common sense. And then he's got the problem of ignoring other facts, too. But ah well.

lol

no worries, I am not saying it isn't a good description, just trying to keep it positive, 🙂

It's would be really interesting to see the evolution of 2damn and rutogs arguments here. When they started it was all "breaking magneto's shield" and all that, now its ionizing atoms in order to remove the electrons from the body of individuals.