Storm vs Kitty Pride

Originally posted by inamilist
so are you going to answer any of my points

That was actually a continuation.

Anyway, there is nothing to really answer.

It's all hypothetical. We will talk ourselves in circles. 😆

It'll be "just because she can ionize x doesn't mean she can ionize kitty", or "show us on Panel where she's done this", when she and kitty never fought for real.

And the scan is Storm strinking her with lightning, not ionizing her. And she did feel it. It felt nice 😛 It would just be her muneuvering around a ruch of subatomic particles

Also, it wasn't an EMP.

Magneto hit her with a jolt of EM energy, Storm can do the same.

"But she can't make EMP's, she can only control the weather" 🙄

"If she can contol EM energy, why doesn't she do xyz"

And round and round we go 🙄

In the end storm wins though 😎

She can hurt Kitty befre kitty can hurt her.

Damn, yall worked me today.

And we'll keep working you until you're correct.

Umm... Instead of trying to prove Storm is what Hal Jordan piggy backing on another Hal Jordan, Mecha Shiva style, wishes they could be, what about this: Would freezing Kitty work?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And we'll keep working you until you're correct.

This's gonna take a while.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
That was actually a continuation.

Anyway, there is nothing to really answer.

It's all hypothetical. We will talk ourselves in circles. 😆

It'll be "just because she can ionize x doesn't mean she can ionize kitty", or "show us on Panel where she's done this", when she and kitty never fought for real.

And the scan is Storm strinking her with lightning, not ionizing her. And she did feel it. It felt nice 😛 It would just be her muneuvering around a ruch of subatomic particles

Also, it wasn't an EMP.

Magneto hit her with a jolt of EM energy, Storm can do the same.

"But she can't make EMP's, she can only control the weather" 🙄

"If she can contol EM energy, why doesn't she do xyz"

And round and round we go 🙄

In the end storm wins though 😎

She can hurt Kitty befre kitty can hurt her.

Kitty doesn't really even do much "manuevering" of subatomic particles. I mean, she stands point-blank in a massive explosion or energy blast all the time. If she were just a loose mess of atoms, these explosions would scatter her body everywhere. But they don't. Because she has a masterful control over her own atomic/subatomic particles. She has a consciousness. She's not like a piece of wood or anything. Her body stays together even through explosions and electricity, it's just part of her power, as we've seen many, many times.

So, no. Storm can't hurt Kitty any sooner than Kitty can hurt her because Storm can fly. Kitty can "air-walk" up to Storm, too. And I'm sure Storm will just run away some more. Some fight. 🙄

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Because part of her phasing power has always been, since the first comic she appeared in, that electricity does jack shit to her when she phases?
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Kitty can be hurt by electricity. Those scans proves only that it has to be a substantial shock or something. In the same issue of one of your earlier scans where she phases through machines, Magneto nearly kills her with an electrical shock. Storm owns the market on electrical shock over Magneto big time. The fact that she was/is hurt by electrcity in the same issue that she is scrambling machine circuitry without getting harmed proves this.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
But being able to talk and hear in space is just fine, right? 🙄

Get over it. She can both breathe and talk while phased.

I AGREE she breathes when she phases. Show me a post where I disagreed with it. This has been long established with the character. In fact, she HAS to breathe even while intangible. This is one of Storm's trump cards against her. The other being the fact that a strong enough electrical current can also take her out of a fight. This fight is not even a good one. Storm wins this easily.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Kitty can be hurt by electricity. Those scans proves only that it has to be a substantial shock or something. In the same issue of one of your earlier scans where she phases through machines, Magneto nearly kills her with an electrical shock. Storm owns the market on electrical shock over Magneto big time. The fact that she was/is hurt by electrcity in the same issue that she is scrambling machine circuitry without getting harmed proves this.

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/3888/9distrupselectromagneticfieldsgp9.jpg

You know what this scan says?

Magneto >>>>>> Storm.

He has greater, more refined control over electricity and the EM spectrum and just more powerful than Storm.

"...she still tries to wrest control of the lightning from me."

She tried. I'll give her props there. But unfortunately, it didn't seem to hinder Magneto's superior control at all.

With all that said, it makes FAR MORE sense that Magneto would know of the one strand of EMP that would affect Kitty. But Storm? Not quite.

Originally posted by Rutog98
I AGREE she breathes when she phases. Show me a post where I disagreed with it. This has been long established with the character. In fact, she HAS to breathe even while intangible. This is one of Storm's trump cards against her. The other being the fact that a strong enough electrical current can also take her out of a fight. This fight is not even a good one. Storm wins this easily.

Did I quote you when I wrote that? If I did, my apologies. I just wish you would inform 2damn of this well-known, well-established fact.

The strength of the electrical current is unimportant. Kitty's taken massive amounts of electricity before.

Originally posted by inamilist
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In an honest intellectual discourse aimed at discerning the "fact" of the matter, you NEED to address these. Why is it that Storm's electricity will affect Kitty now, but not here:
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:::rutog raises hand::: Let me talk about this! Let me! Let me!

I already addressed this in another post. Basically, as we saw in Uncanny 150, Kitty phased through Magneto's machines and the electrical current running through it did her no harm. Later in the issue, he hit her with an electrical attack while in the grips of a beserker rage and nearly kills her.

Obviously, the reason Storm's lightning did not hurt Kitty in that issue is because she was watering it down a lot. I seriously doubt Ororo is going to toss a lethal bolt at Kitty. What if she slipped up and was not intangible? Besides that, Storm would already know that Kitty can be hurt by an electrical current if strong enough. Notice, the bolt did tickle Kitty, so she did feel it. Now, if Storm had juiced it up, it would have been much more than a tickle and Storm can toss electrical bolts that makes Magneto's a joke in comparison. See where I'm going?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/3888/9distrupselectromagneticfieldsgp9.jpg

You know what this scan says?

Magneto >>>>>> Storm.

He has greater, more refined control over electricity and the EM spectrum and just more powerful than Storm.

"...she still [b]tries to wrest control of the lightning from me."

She tried. I'll give her props there. But unfortunately, it didn't seem to hinder Magneto's superior control at all.

With all that said, it makes FAR MORE sense that Magneto would know of the one strand of EMP that would affect Kitty. But Storm? Not quite. [/B]

I did a post a long time ago addressing that Storm/MAgneto lightning bolt thing in Uncanny 150. Magneto was only able to pull it off because he caught her off guard with it. Read the panel. Anyway, here is what I posted:

Here we see Storm manipulating air pressure to suffocate Magneto:

Storm is a much more powerful mutant than Magneto. The lightning should not have been able to hurt Storm. It is stated in other issues (and shown) that Storm cannot be directly harmed by the manifestations of weather. Hence, she has channeled continent-sized blizzards through her body, is immune to air friction and can breathe at any speed, she always calls lightning down upon herself and has even focused the full electrical power of a storm through her body. She should have been able to feel that lightning bolt before it fell. She should have been able to sense Magneto's warping of em fields to attract that bolt from the sky (notice, the bolt hit her first and thus was "filtered" before it hit him. We have never seen Magneto take a bolt directly from the sky.) When injured, Storm's control over lightning, in particular, is weakened. Notice that despite this (and the bolt should not have hurt her to begin with), she was still able to challlenge MAgneto's control over the bolt. She has flown on a bolt of electricity, pulled it out of planetary EM fields (I don't have the scan for that issue, but trust me, she did it!), create and control em fields as she did here: as well as other things. Blitzkrieg, who's control over electricity far outstrips Magneto's, battled Storm and she beat him big time. Here, he cages Storm in electricity and look at what she does:

Here, we see Storm controlling and redirecting Magneto's energies!:

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Did I quote you when I wrote that? If I did, my apologies. I just wish you would inform 2damn of this well-known, well-established fact.

The strength of the electrical current is unimportant. Kitty's taken massive amounts of electricity before.

Here is what you are not seeing: The fact that Kitty still has to breathe while intangible, that gives Storm a decisive victory as she can suffocate Kitty as she suffocated Magneto in my scan above.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Here is what you are not seeing: The fact that Kitty still has to breathe while intangible, that gives Storm a decisive victory as she can suffocate Kitty as she suffocated Magneto in my scan above.

I knew you were going to pull that one out. But then, of course, why would Kitty stand still and let this happen to her when she can just as easily phase into the ground? Not only would she escape any suffocation, but she would be completely invisible to Storm until she emerged from whatever she's phasing through.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I knew you were going to pull that one out. But then, of course, why would Kitty stand still and let this happen to her when she can just as easily phase into the ground? Not only would she escape any suffocation, but she would be completely invisible to Storm until she emerged from whatever she's phasing through.

You knew I was going to pull that one out, eh? Pleased I did not disappoint. 😉

To answer your question, Kitty cannot elude Storm's vision/detection.

Storm can perceive the universe as patterns of energies and forces, channel them and bend them to her will and here are some scans to prove it:

Here is another instance:

Here is another instance:

In other words, Storm will be able to see Kitty no matter where she is and manipuate the air and pressure to suffocate her.

Originally posted by Rutog98
I did a post a long time ago addressing that Storm/MAgneto lightning bolt thing in Uncanny 150. Magneto was only able to pull it off because he caught her off guard with it. Read the panel. Anyway, here is what I posted:

Here we see Storm manipulating air pressure to suffocate Magneto:

Storm is a much more powerful mutant than Magneto. The lightning should not have been able to hurt Storm. It is stated in other issues (and shown) that Storm cannot be directly harmed by the manifestations of weather. Hence, she has channeled continent-sized blizzards through her body, is immune to air friction and can breathe at any speed, she always calls lightning down upon herself and has even focused the full electrical power of a storm through her body. She should have been able to feel that lightning bolt before it fell. She should have been able to sense Magneto's warping of em fields to attract that bolt from the sky (notice, the bolt hit her first and thus was "filtered" before it hit him. We have never seen Magneto take a bolt directly from the sky.) When injured, Storm's control over lightning, in particular, is weakened. Notice that despite this (and the bolt should not have hurt her to begin with), she was still able to challlenge MAgneto's control over the bolt. She has flown on a bolt of electricity, pulled it out of planetary EM fields (I don't have the scan for that issue, but trust me, she did it!), create and control em fields as she did here: as well as other things. Blitzkrieg, who's control over electricity far outstrips Magneto's, battled Storm and she beat him big time. Here, he cages Storm in electricity and look at what she does:

Here, we see Storm controlling and redirecting Magneto's energies!:

Funny. I don't recall Magneto being the master of air manipulation.

Seriously though. I did not see anything there proving she has a greater control over the EM spectrum than Magneto.

Secondly, you want to throw out the fact that Magneto was severely damaging Storm with her own lightning. Calling it PIS. Well then. Could I then make the argument to throw out the fact that Magneto was able to damage Kitty with his superior control over the EM spectrum? Going by all of her other showings, this could be (and probably should be) considered PIS.

Is this fine with you?

Originally posted by Rutog98
You knew I was going to pull that one out, eh? Pleased I did not disappoint. 😉

To answer your question, Kitty cannot elude Storm's vision/detection.

Storm can perceive the universe as patterns of energies and forces, channel them and bend them to her will and here are some scans to prove it:

Here is another instance:

Here is another instance:

In other words, Storm will be able to see Kitty no matter where she is and manipuate the air and pressure to suffocate her.

Bah. Double post. See the one below.

Originally posted by Rutog98
You knew I was going to pull that one out, eh? Pleased I did not disappoint. 😉

To answer your question, Kitty cannot elude Storm's vision/detection.

Storm can perceive the universe as patterns of energies and forces, channel them and bend them to her will and here are some scans to prove it:

Here is another instance:

Here is another instance:

In other words, Storm will be able to see Kitty no matter where she is and manipuate the air and pressure to suffocate her.

And I never doubted she could do this. If you can find me trying to refute this, I'd be just as shocked as you.

However, it seems funny to me that she is still ambushed by enemies and snuck up on at all. She should be able to see all and be prepared for each and every thing that happens to her. Never seemed to be the case to me.

Doesn't appear to be a very consistent power either. In one scan, she cannot see through the energy patterns of the landscape. In the others, they are transparent. 😬

Wait a second. Storm is going to manipulate the air and suffocate Kitty while she is phased underground? 🤨

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Funny. I don't recall Magneto being the master of air manipulation.

Seriously though. I did not see anything there proving she has a greater control over the EM spectrum than Magneto.

Secondly, you want to throw out the fact that Magneto was severely damaging Storm with her own lightning. Calling it PIS. Well then. Could I then make the argument to throw out the fact that Magneto was able to damage Kitty with his superior control over the EM spectrum? Going by all of her other showings, this could be (and probably should be) considered PIS.

Is this fine with you?

Magneto's primary power is magnetism. You have never shown one issue where his power over electricity is stronger than Ororo's or even equals hers. Did you read what I posted? In the scan, Magneto was able to hurt Storm with the lightning because he caught her by surprise with it and thus her body did not compensate for the energy surge. Its stated right there in the panel. The fact that he was able to hurt Storm had nothing at all to do with him being less or more powerful over electricity than Storm is. Also, when Storm is injured, her level of control over the elements is weakened. This is especially true of the lightning as was shown in a battle against Proteus in an earlier issue. I bring this up because I want you to note that though her control would have been severely lessened because of the initial attack, she was still able to challenge Magneto's control over the bolt.

Now, here is why its PIS:

1) She should have been able to feel/sense Magneto warping the EM fields in the storm to attracted that bolt from the sky.

2) She should have felt the bolt before it struck.

3) She cannot be directly harmed by the manifestations of the weather according to some issues. We don't go by PIS on this board.

In regards to who can toss the more powerful bolt, Storm has focused the full electrical fury of a storm into a single bolt of lightning. Anything Magneto has done with electricity is a joke in comparison. Heck, she once summoned a bolt of lightning that blasted from the sky all the way down to the Morlock tunnels. The Morlock tunnels are either 1000 feet under the ground or 1 mile (5,280 feet). I forget. Storm has also been able to fly on a bolt of lightning as well as disperse that electrical attack from Blitzkrieg who's control over electricity FAR outdoes Magneto's.

Originally posted by Rutog98
You knew I was going to pull that one out, eh? Pleased I did not disappoint. 😉

To answer your question, Kitty cannot elude Storm's vision/detection.

Storm can perceive the universe as patterns of energies and forces, channel them and bend them to her will and here are some scans to prove it:

Here is another instance:

Here is another instance:

In other words, Storm will be able to see Kitty no matter where she is and manipuate the air and pressure to suffocate her.

During that same issue of X-treme it said she had been channeling those TITANIC energies since she was a CHILD.