Originally posted by snoopdogg
No rule agaisnt handbooks though. Like it or not.
Hand Books aren't primary canon so these rules apply.
No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it.
No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.
A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).
This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed.
Originally posted by srankmissingninIf those rules applied it would specifically say "no handbooks". So sorry I'm not gonna invest into that theory.
Hand Books aren't primary canon so these rules apply.No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it.No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).
This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed.
Originally posted by Starscream M
your logic is so laughable...so many things wrong I don't even know where to begin, so I won't. I'll just enjoy the hilarity of your posts.
My logic is laughable? 😕
I said in the two pages that the vampire appeared there wasn't enough information given to arbitrarily decided that he was an inexperienced, kid who had now skill. Do you disagree with that?
I also said that being able to recognise Wolverine in his civies is impressive, and means that the vampire wasn't the right off snoop and Trackz where implying. Do you disagree with that?
Where are the wholes in my logic that apparently are so abundantly clear?
Originally posted by srankmissingninNow that I think about it I can seem to recall you saying everything is cannon. And I also seem to recall you or jinzin referencing a What If issue a few times.
Hand Books aren't primary canon so these rules apply.No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it.No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).
This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I fail to see what needs to be dealt with there. That's your opinon. The handbook writers state how many times they sit down and read every appearance a character has. You know, being employed by Marvel the might have some nice resources there.
Come on man.It's not my opinion its fact based on what characters regularly do.We can clearly see bio writers frequently get things wrong. This is one of them.
the opinion of comic book writers based on what their characters do all the time on panel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the musings of someone employed to write handbooks and bios.
Face it that guy at marvel clearly contradicted what the writers of the primary sources (the frikkin comicbooks themselves) portray the characters as being able to do.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Now that I think about it I can seem to recall you saying everything is cannon. And I also seem to recall you or jinzin referencing a What If issue a few times.
Every comic is canon in its own right but only canon in its own universe. Each What If is canon, but it has its own canon that is separate from the 616 Marvel Earth canon. The hand books are not canon, and only exist as companion pieces to the primary canon. For instance all the Ultimate Universe issues are canon for the Ultimates but not for standard 616 comic lines.
I've only ever used What Ifs to discredit other people using What Ifs. I think jinzin once used a Inferno What If in a Spider-man vs. Wolverine discusion once though.
Originally posted by Warrior18
Come on man.It's not my opinion its fact based on what characters regularly do.We can clearly see bio writers frequently get things wrong. This is one of them.the opinion of comic book writers based on what their characters do all the time on panel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the musings of someone employed to write handbooks and bios.
Face it that guy at marvel clearly contradicted what the writers of the primary sources (the frikkin comicbooks themselves) portray the characters as being able to do.
Handbooks are the reason we have so many asshats who think that Captain America's shield is half Adamantium. 😠