Originally posted by Knowsbleed33If he was speaking in terms of physically, he'd be half-right. If he's talking abotu a battle without restriction, then he is right. Thor BFR'ed a lot of his opponents. Especially those who were "unstoppable." In my opinion, Thor wins this even more because of the odds that an H/P Doomsday would pose. He'd realize the only thing to do would be BFR. And he'd figure that out, right quick.
Fail.
Thor 9/10.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Which he never.. ever did. He was BFR'ed by a Guardian. BFR'ed by Cybrog Superman I think? BFR'ed by Waverider to the end of time. Retrieved by Braniac and then BFR'ed by the JLA in teleportation tubes. None of the Doomsdays, especially H/P Doomsdays, ever showed a capacity to overcome BFR.
Until H/P adapts a way to not be BFR'd.
WRONG! Waverider did not BFR him. Waverider was killed when he tried it. It was the motherbox that did it via a boomtube, not Waverider.
And temporal BFR is impossible for Thor. Because Immortus removed that power from Mjolnir.
Also, Doomsday has a critical advantage over everyone else Thor has fought. SPEED. He's far faster and he can destroy Thor in CQC. Thor will have to evade and use his versatility, but he has to deal with a level of speed he's never encountered before. Especially since his physical prowess counts for naught.
WM Thor can't win. Regular can. Why? Because WM Thor will not use the hammer to it's utmost. He'll try to slug it out. Ironically, his so-called Warrior Madness instead of being an asset, is the thing that will cost him the match.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestMotherbox. Fine. I'm drunk. Sue me. Doomsday never showed me speed past being acclaimed over Byrne Superman and pre-lightspeed breaking Flash by folks like Booster Gold and Guy Gardner. Whoopie. Thor has dealt with speed from the likes of Hermes, Balder, Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Hyperion, etc.
WRONG! Waverider did not BFR him. Waverider was killed when he tried it. It was the motherbox that did it via a boomtube, not Waverider.And temporal BFR is impossible for Thor. Because Immortus removed that power from Mjolnir.
Also, Doomsday has a critical advantage over everyone else Thor has fought. SPEED. He's far faster and he can destroy Thor in CQC. Thor will have to evade and use his versatility, but he has to deal with a level of speed he's never encountered before. Especially since his physical prowess counts for naught.
WM Thor can't win. Regular can. Why? Because WM Thor will not use the hammer to it's utmost. He'll try to slug it out. Ironically, his so-called Warrior Madness instead of being an asset, is the thing that will cost him the match.
Thor from Blood and Thunder did use his hammer. A lot. It's fair to mention that he never BFR'ed during that storyline, but asserting that he would never BFR or would very unlikely BFR is equivalent to asserting that OWAW-sundip Superman would never or would very unlikely use heat vision or TVo or speedblitz or intangibility or freeze-breath, etc. Y'know, which I don't really have a problem doing... as long as the majority of posters recognize that. But I'm pretty sure they won't. Bottom-line is, Thor used BFR against foes he knew he couldn't beat. Thor from Blood and Thunder was trouncing everyone. Had he come up against a foe he knew he couldn't beat, even when mad... it's arguable whether he would likely resort to BFR or not.
Still Thor 9/10.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestSo... he was BFR'd? 😬
WRONG! Waverider did not BFR him. Waverider was killed when he tried it. It was the motherbox that did it via a boomtube, not Waverider.And temporal BFR is impossible for Thor. Because Immortus removed that power from Mjolnir.
Also, Doomsday has a critical advantage over everyone else Thor has fought. SPEED. He's far faster and he can destroy Thor in CQC. Thor will have to evade and use his versatility, but he has to deal with a level of speed he's never encountered before. Especially since his physical prowess counts for naught.
WM Thor can't win. Regular can. Why? Because WM Thor will not use the hammer to it's utmost. He'll try to slug it out. Ironically, his so-called Warrior Madness instead of being an asset, is the thing that will cost him the match.
Thor could still BFR after that. He BFR'd Iron Man and Cap with a stamp. He managed to take the Midgard Serpent's head off when he tried to eat him by BFR'ing.
Doomsday's speed only seems to go for his reaction and traveling. He's never completely overwhelmed anyone with speed to my recollection (not on Thor's level anyway).
Didn't WM Thor drop Surfer with like one attack? Didn't Thor crack Celestial armor (s) with swings? Didn't he drop Loki/Odin with two hits? Didn't Thor smash through Perrikus's armor like nothing? Look what he did to Bi-Beast with what looked like one swing (twice), Gladiator, etc.
Thor is probably the best brawler at this level on the heroes side. Not because his strength is overwhelming, but because the kind of power he can put behind Mjolnir is insane.
Originally posted by Red Hulk
So... he was BFR'd? 😬Thor could still BFR after that. He BFR'd Iron Man and Cap with a stamp. He managed to take the Midgard Serpent's head off when he tried to eat him by BFR'ing.
Doomsday's speed only seems to go for his reaction and traveling. He's never completely overwhelmed anyone with speed to my recollection (not on Thor's level anyway).
Didn't WM Thor drop Surfer with like one attack? Didn't Thor crack Celestial armor (s) with swings? Didn't he drop Loki/Odin with two hits? Didn't Thor smash through Perrikus's armor like nothing? Look what he did to Bi-Beast with what looked like one swing (twice), Gladiator, etc.
Thor is probably the best brawler at this level on the heroes side. Not because his strength is overwhelming, but because the kind of power he can put behind Mjolnir is insane.
Doomsday blitzed the whole Justice League in the Death of Superman before they even knew what hit them. Towards the end of the battle, Superman tried to fight as fast as he could and still could not totally keep up with Doomsday's speed. Superman realized at that time, that holding back was no longer an option.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Motherbox. Fine. I'm drunk. Sue me. Doomsday never showed me speed past being acclaimed over Byrne Superman and pre-lightspeed breaking Flash by folks like Booster Gold and Guy Gardner. Whoopie. Thor has dealt with speed from the likes of Hermes, Balder, Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Hyperion, etc.Thor from Blood and Thunder did use his hammer. A lot. It's fair to mention that he never BFR'ed during that storyline, but asserting that he would never BFR or would very unlikely BFR is equivalent to asserting that OWAW-sundip Superman would never or would very unlikely use heat vision or TVo or speedblitz or intangibility or freeze-breath, etc. Y'know, which I don't really have a problem doing... as long as the majority of posters recognize that. But I'm pretty sure they won't. Bottom-line is, Thor used BFR against foes he knew he couldn't beat. Thor from Blood and Thunder was trouncing everyone. Had he come up against a foe he knew he couldn't beat, even when mad... it's arguable whether he would likely resort to BFR or not.
Still Thor 9/10.
You are sord of correct but it does not change the fact that Doomsday was fast as hell in DOS as far as 1993 standards were regarding Superman and Flash. At that time, Superman was faster than Flash.
Originally posted by AvlonThor bfr's him easily. Darkseid landed the first attack. Same thing here. Thor bfr's him.
While bfr may sound nice on paper, there are problems with it. First, doomsdays speed and second the fact that Doomsday doesnt stop or slow down to give speeches or boast.Second, most bfr's on Doomsday have been a team effort of some kind. It's rarely been one on one or easy.
DD stomps Thor.
Originally posted by Avlon
While bfr may sound nice on paper, there are problems with it. First, doomsdays speed and second the fact that Doomsday doesnt stop or slow down to give speeches or boast.Second, most bfr's on Doomsday have been a team effort of some kind. It's rarely been one on one or easy.
DD stomps Thor.
this isn't "just thor" this is warrior madness thor with the power gem.
Champion one shotted a planet into dust with his fists without even trying to use the gem. a WM thor+ gem is going to hit DD hard enough to kill him, easily.
As for speed, Thor with the hammer has been shown to be able to swing the thing at 2x or 3x lightspeed. This is EASILY several times faster than superman is able to attain, and sufficient to tag even the fastest doomsday without difficulty.
As for BFR- this should be obvious. in the unlikely event that Force sufficient to break through celestial armor and reduce mountains to dust (remember, REGULAR thor hits that hard) somehow can't KO Doomsday, he has an infinite power source to back up his teleportation feats. He doesn't NEED a "team effort" since the power gem has more raw energy than all of DC earth combined.
Thor wins this easily, though without the gem he'd lose the majority.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor bfr's him easily. Darkseid landed the first attack. Same thing here. Thor bfr's him.
Ds has superspeed, used a cheapshot from far away and still lost. Thor gets none oof those advantages. What Red hulk did to thor..DD did to ww while fighting the rest of the league easily.
DD for an easy majority.
Originally posted by AvlonWhen did Darkseid use superspeed in this arc? Yes,darkseid lost but the point is he got the first attack in before Doomsday had time to close the gap. Then Ds foolishly thought he was defeated when Doomsday attacked Darkseid from behind.
Ds has superspeed, used a cheapshot from far away and still lost. Thor gets none oof those advantages. What Red hulk did to thor..DD did to ww while fighting the rest of the league easily.DD for an easy majority.
What does Red Hulk have to do with Thor here? On kmc these characters fight to the best of their abilities and that means an easy bfr victory.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When did Darkseid use superspeed in this arc? Yes,darkseid lost but the point is he got the first attack in before Doomsday had time to close the gap. Then Ds foolishly thought he was defeated when Doomsday attacked Darkseid from behind.What does Red Hulk have to do with Thor here? On kmc these characters fight to the best of their abilities and that means an easy bfr victory.
Exactly......to the best of their ability. I noticed you are skirting around the fact that DS got a long distance cheap shot..
Thor isnt getting that...thus he loses horribly.
Originally posted by AvlonYou do realize the first time Darkseid and Doomsday met that they both stopped and sized each other up. Neither character budged. Doomsday cheapshotted darkseid to beat him anyways. The point is Thor easily bfrs him.
Exactly......to the best of their ability. I noticed you are skirting around the fact that DS got a long distance cheap shot..Thor isnt getting that...thus he loses horribly.
Originally posted by ToughMindEXACTLY. 1993 standards. Superman couldn't break light speed even when flying, neither could Wally West. And the only ones who actually did comment on his speed were Booster Gold and Guy Gardner. Wow. Call the superspeed police. Do you know how many times Hulk has caught people off-guard with his speed? Hell, Northstar and Nova were getting their butts handed to them by an alien because of his speed and Professor Hulk owned him off-panel. You don't see the most rabid of Hulk fanboys claiming he has superspeed.
You are sord of correct but it does not change the fact that Doomsday was fast as hell in DOS as far as 1993 standards were regarding Superman and Flash. At that time, Superman was faster than Flash.
Please. Fighting Superman, ESPECIALLY Byrne Superman, does not automatically give you superspeed on par with current Superman, etc. The Flashes, Majestic, Hyperion, Gladiator... these jerks have bonified super-speed. Not Doomsday. In any incarnation. Ever. He was never streaking around, he was never pummeling with dozens of fists in a single panel. He was faster than his size suggested. A lot faster. But hardly superspeed faster.
Thor 9/10.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You do realize the first time Darkseid and Doomsday met that they both stopped and sized each other up. Neither character budged. Doomsday cheapshotted darkseid to beat him anyways. The point is Thor easily bfrs him.
That is thousands of years before death of superman and hunter/prey and has nothing to do with anything since there was no battle.
Nice try at misrepresenting the facts.
DD for the win.
Originally posted by AvlonOk, if you want to ignore other instances of Doomsday thats fine by me. Lets focus solely on hunter and prey.
That is thousands of years before death of superman and hunter/prey and has nothing to do with anything since there was no battle.Nice try at misrepresenting the facts.
DD for the win.
Lets have a look see at some scans.
Another character lands the first blow.
And look how easily he breaks free.
Now we have Superman confronting him. Doomsday turns away. He knows he can beat Superman and he lets him get the first blow as well.
Continued.
Superman rains more attacks over Doomsday here.
The point of all of these scans are to show that Doomsday is being greatly exaggerated here. This is a weaker Superman with a motherbox amp here. Doomsday only quickly defeated Darkseid. This partly was because of the cheap shot he landed on Ds from behind. These other characters were able to counter Doomsday. As would Thor even if he wasnt able to land the first strike. I even showed you scans of Doomsday ignoring Superman because he knew he wasnt a threat. He coul dhave the same approach when battling Thor. He is no where near as relentless as some people claim him to be.
Thor bfr's him easily.