New Abortion law, about ultra-sounds...

Originally posted by Lana
I believe that's more a comment on the fact that a lot of times, people who are pro-life also tend to be against welfare...which is really stupid, if you think about it. Let's make people have babies they can't afford to raise and then refuse to help them at all and tell them it's their problem.

I see your point, but that woman is speaking about "love" (her own words), I think she's just a nut.

Originally posted by Robtard
How is it "forcing" when abortion is still legal? Forcing would be making abortion illegal outright.

Also, "Emotional Blackmail" which is beign thrown around is a little bit melodramatic don't you think? Blackmail is "extortion or coercion by threats"; I don't see anyone being threatened.

Are you claiming that women are too stupid to know that they're killing thier child?

If thats not the case, why does this need to be law?

Originally posted by Robtard
I see your point, but that woman is speaking about "love", I think she's just a nut.

If its a gay baby, shouldn't we just abort it now?

Originally posted by Alliance
Are you claiming that women are too stupid to know that they're killing thier child?

If thats not the case, why does this need to be law?

If its a gay baby, shouldn't we just abort it now?

No, I am not claiming anything of the sort. I see this as merely a chance to make a better informed decision. They can still abort after looking through a few pictures.

Huh? What in the world are you talking about? That sounded really ignorant.

Originally posted by Alliance
This procedure is not medically ethical. Patients are not required in any circumstance to view a procedure.

Also, who's paying for the ultrasound...if its the patient, and they don't want the procedure, that is also unethical.

This is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Makes me glad I'm not a) a women and 2) don't live in the US.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
A law passed in the South Carolina house and headed for the state senate would require women getting an abortion to view an ultrasound of the fetus before the procedure, except in the cases of rape or incest.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17741934/

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Yeah? So? The people you're really all up in arms about are the ones who like to kill babies. What difference is seeing it going to make? They have no soul anyway. If they couldn't get abortions, the dumpsters of this nation would be literally filled with dead babies. I think the next step should be to make it legal to throw away children and adoption should be made illegal all together. If the mother doesn't want the child, it should be aborted or at the very least born and then poked with a stick until it dies.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, I am not claiming anything of the sort. I see this as merely a chance to make a better informed decision. They can still abort after looking through a few pictures.

So, you are saying women are uniformed...

...which is exactly what spurred me to make my original comment AND my previous one.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Checkmate ✅

Ahh, medical ethics training.

AM I actually going into medicine to deal with this? 🙄

Originally posted by Alliance
So, you are saying women are uniformed...

...which is exactly what spurred me to make my original comment AND my previous one.

If you want to stretch it that way sure...

I am saying more knowledge and more information cannot hurt.

I'm all for educating the women but the way that law would go into affect is ass.

This is all based on the assumption that women who want abortions do so as a result of being ill-informed.

Most of the time they genuinely want it. Abortion is obviously not the only choice.

-AC

Originally posted by sithsaber408
A law passed in the South Carolina house and headed for the state senate would require women getting an abortion to view an ultrasound of the fetus before the procedure, except in the cases of rape or incest.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17741934/

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So they can see a couple of cells moving about ? Hows that supposed to help. 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
If you want to stretch it that way sure...

I am saying more knowledge and more information cannot hurt.

What tremendous knowledge is gained from seeing an image of a fetus?

Originally posted by Donkey Punch
So they can see a couple of cells moving about ? Hows that supposed to help. 🙂

Unless you were using some rapid abortifact, the fetus yould have significant development by the time you realized you were pregenant.

Also, individual cells cannot be see via ultrasound.

Originally posted by Alliance
What tremendous knowledge is gained from seeing an image of a fetus?

Tremendous? I never said that... I said "more" knowledge, and considering abortion is permanent, more knowledge beforehand can't hurt.

If you can't win by logic and reason, guilt trip the person.

Weeeeeeeeeee!

Originally posted by sithsaber408
A law passed in the South Carolina house and headed for the state senate would require women getting an abortion to view an ultrasound of the fetus before the procedure, except in the cases of rape or incest.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17741934/

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I am comepletly pro life. However, I think this is disgusting. Even though i am pro life, i can naturally understand some of the circumstances that causes one to get an abortion. I dont want to see peoples right of having an abortion taken away just because i disagree with it. I wouldnt mind seeing more strict regulations on the process. This however, just seems as cruel and un warranted anguish that is put upon a person that will most likely live and struggle with an already hard decesion

Originally posted by Robtard
Tremendous? I never said that... I said "more" knowledge, and considering abortion is permanent, more knowledge beforehand can't hurt.

Informed consent legislation requires doctors to fully disclose all relevant information that the patient desires, and to extend alternatives to patients. Ultrasounds are already available.

It's an obscene law.

I say, if it's legal its legal. If not its not. It sounds like a contradiction of the states views on the subject. I'm all about voting for laws to be passed and broken. thats a free republic. If it is legal, what can possibly be gained. I understand both sides of the abortion debate. Morals are crucial for a democracy. By trying to convice someone not to partake in a legal activity only shows contradiction.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What knowledge is gained from seeing an image of the developing fetus at all? All it is, is attempting to coerce a desired outcome by appealing to the guilt of a woman who is basically already making an anguishing decision. It is emotional blackmail, and an unwarranted intrusion by the State.

Informed consent legislation requires doctors to fully disclose all relevant information that the patient desires, and to extend alternatives to patients. Ultrasounds are already available.

It's an obscene law.

"Emotional blackmail" is B.S., 'blackmail' is coercion by threats; no one is being threatened.

If the woman already has all the information and fully knows what she is doing, then looking at a few pictures [most likely] won't do anything. In the case that she is uniformed this will serve as extra knowledge and if she still wants the abortion after looking at a few pictures she certainly can still do so under the law.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
"I don't want to have a baby" is a good reason enough 😬

Not exactly. Surely "I don't want to have a baby" should have been reason enough for them to have thought "I should use some sort of contraception"?

Don't get me wrong, I'm just as disturbed by this proposed (already passed?) legislation, I just don't think that abortion should be as simple as "I don't want it".

Given the raging hormones, can a woman truly say she is making a decision concerning abortion with her full faculties? Just asking the question since it never occurred to me until reading this portion of Lil B's post:

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
already feel depressed having to abort a child (hormons are raging like mad on top)

I am anti abortion unless there are health issues, but this concept has never occurred to me.