Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
None.What do I win?
-AC
If they are indeed the same thing, then there's no point to arguing this law--no more so than arguing the merits of using pictures of the dead in Iraq to demonstrate the horrors of war.
Originally posted by FeceManThe Bush Administration asking the media not to broadcast pictures of coffins comuing back from Iraq isn't really right. But the media of course rolled over and took it like a *****
This.If they are indeed the same thing, then there's no point to arguing this law--no more so than arguing the merits of using pictures of the dead in Iraq to demonstrate the horrors of war.
Originally posted by FeceMan
This.If they are indeed the same thing, then there's no point to arguing this law--no more so than arguing the merits of using pictures of the dead in Iraq to demonstrate the horrors of war.
They're not the same, I was being sarcastic.
-AC
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Okay let's play the silly semantics game, it's a fascistic law that attempts coercion towards a desired outcome by manipulation of emotions. Happy?
Fascist... being a little over melodramatic don't you think? Emotional manipulation... are you saying women are emotional wrecks?
Originally posted by FeceMan
ROFL.What a bunch of tools. "ZOMG EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL." Give me a ****ing break. When people started describing abortion as being a right instead of a privilege, it became emotional blackmail.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Not ****ing works wonders.
In the land of the liberal * KMC * , I was glad to see one right thinking person.
The law is all about better information.
For a woman pressured by a boyfriend not to have a baby, for a woman who is thinking that she has no other option or no place to turn because she is poor and alone.....
Seeing her unborn child can make all of the difference in the world.
Often times women are "emotionally blackmailed" into having an abortion... hell the doctors tried to get my mother to abort my younger brother because it would be "better" for everybody involved.
I think that if we are going to "emotionally blackmail" people, then we ought to choose to promote the side of it that DOESN'T end with dead babies.
All the women in the situations described above can give their babies up for adoption anyway, so unless they've been raped or will die from childbirth the point is moot.
Abortion "because she doesn't want a baby" is flat-out wrong, and at least now in South Carolina the baby boys and girls who will have their lives thrown away on a whim will be seen by somebody... though it appears from comments on this board that very few hear their cries.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Out of curiousity, why do you ask people if they're saying things they clearly aren't?He's saying it's manipulation of emotions.
-AC
Hey, I am not the one foolishly knee-jerking and throwing out phrases like "emotional blackmail".
I'm asking if he thinks these women who [supposedly] have already made of their minds that they want the abortion and they are [supposedly] throughly educated on the matter are nothing more than a bunch of weak-minded emotional wretches?
The way I see it; for the women who have unquestionably made of their minds and are fully educated on the matter, a few pictures will do nothing; they'll look at the pictures and they'll proceed with the abortion as scheduled. For the ones that are not; this will serve as further insight and information before they make an irreversable choice... they can still proceed with the abortion under the law, that hasn't changed.
Originally posted by Robtard
Hey, I am not the one foolishly knee-jerking and throwing out phrases like "emotional blackmail".I'm asking if he thinks these women who [supposedly] have already made of their minds that they want the abortion and they are [supposedly] throughly educated on the matter are nothing more than a bunch of weak-minded emotional wretches?
The way I see it; for the women who have unquestionably made of their minds and are fully educated on the matter, a few pictures will do nothing; they'll look at the pictures and they'll proceed with the abortion as scheduled. For the ones that are not; this will serve as further insight and information before they make an irreversable choice... they can still proceed with the abortion under the law, that hasn't changed.
AC asked a question you have failed to answer, good dodge though. 😉
-FO!!
Originally posted by Robtard
I'm asking if he thinks these women who [supposedly] have already made of their minds that they want the abortion and they are [supposedly] throughly educated on the matter are nothing more than a bunch of weak-minded emotional wretches?
Yes, why though? I never saw any indication that he believed this.
Stop saying supposedly, too. They normally are, but even if they aren't, they clearly don't want education, because if they did they'd go look for it. It's not your right to interject.
By "emotional blackmail", people mean misleading comments. Like in South Park when Cartmen convinces Butters to vote for the turd sandwich over the giant douche. "What's cooler, Butters: A crappy giant douche...OR A SUPER AWESOME FUN TURD SANDWICH!?!".
More often than not, these "educators" do not wish to educate, they wish to guilt trip. "Look, you can have an abortion...OR YOU CAN KEEP THIS INNOCENT BABY LIFE ALIVE AND NOT MURDER IT *Wave of foetus pictures*.".
If educating is your concern, it should be: "Have you thought about options?", and if their answer is "Yes, I still want an abortion." or "No, but I still want an abortion.", and you continue "suggesting", then you are no longer trying to raise awareness, you're trying to manipulate.
Originally posted by Robtard
The way I see it; for the women who have unquestionably made of their minds and are fully educated on the matter, a few pictures will do nothing; they'll look at the pictures and they'll proceed with the abortion as scheduled. For the ones that are not; this will serve as further insight and information before they make an irreversable choice... they can still proceed with the abortion under the law, that hasn't changed.
Yes, but have you considered how some will use those pictures?
Considering the most powerful people in the world right now, or certainly in America, are Christians, why on Earth would you assume they will pass laws and enforce them in accordance with fairness, rather than their own beliefs?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, why though? I never saw any indication that he believed this.Stop saying supposedly, too. They normally are, but even if they aren't, they clearly don't want education, because if they did they'd go look for it. It's not your right to interject.
By "emotional blackmail", people mean misleading comments. Like in South Park when Cartmen convinces Butters to vote for the turd sandwich over the giant douche. "What's cooler, Butters: A crappy giant douche...OR A SUPER AWESOME FUN TURD SANDWICH!?!".
More often than not, these "educators" do not wish to educate, they wish to guilt trip. "Look, you can have an abortion...OR YOU CAN KEEP THIS INNOCENT BABY LIFE ALIVE AND NOT MURDER IT *Wave of foetus pictures*."
You never saw it and I explained why above.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri If educating is your concern, it should be: "Have you thought about options?", and if their answer is "Yes, I still want an abortion." or "No, but I still want an abortion.", and you continue "suggesting", then you are no longer trying to raise awareness, you're trying to manipulate.Yes, but have you considered how some will use those pictures?
Considering the most powerful people in the world right now, or certainly in America, are Christians, why on Earth would you assume they will pass laws and enforce them in accordance with fairness, rather than their own beliefs?
-AC
That goes both ways, as much as your concerns about manipulation "killing babies... murder" and whatnot, that pendulum can swing the other way... "you're doing the best thing...the baby would have a horrible life". Either is wrong in my opinion though.
I believe in democracy and I am not knee-jerkingly fearful of "Christians"... If "they" try and abuse or pass a law restricting abortions outright; no matter the situation, I certainly will not follow suit and will not vote for it.