In God We Trust

Originally posted by silver_tears
Fair enough, how does a motto deter technological growth then?

Currently, about 35% percent of Americans believe in Evolution, a scientific theory that is all but proven. Other countries (especially in Western Europe) generally are in the 60s or above. Why is a country that was once the beacon of progress now the exact opposite?

Originally posted by Alliance
Hello fool, teaching the Bible in schoold is 100% legal as long as it is not preached. Many public schools have it as part of their cirruculum, including my former HS.

E Pluripus Unum is much more romantic, but its in Latin, meaning 99% of Americans can't understand it. What they cand understand and gobble up is "I believe in God" and not examine the consequences.

for me, preaching and teaching the bible are almost the same, teaching only much more personal.

and i don't live there at U.S or wherever you are(i'm at the philippines. -_-'😉, all i know is they don't teach that at your place in general, so if i'm wrong, sorry.

Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
for me, preaching and teaching the bible are almost the same, teaching only much more personal.

and i don't live there at U.S or wherever you are(i'm at the philippines. -_-'😉, all i know is they don't teach that at your place in general, so if i'm wrong, sorry.

ah.. er, well, i was answering that statement Alliance said.

first part, don't bother to read if you don't really care... 😬

Jaeh, you are filipino?

yeah... why do you ask?

i just saw that in your previous post. i assumed you were a white girl!!! 😂

i'm guessing you haven't checked my profile yet... or maybe you have but... oh whatever.

i am a guy, we are stupid, didnt you know?

oh.. i know alright.. more than you think.

but i never knew you guys wouldn't think of that..

oh well..

sowwy, Jaeh.

eh, no problem... common mistake I guess... is it? 😊

nah, i just assumed, silly.

oh well.. srug

😂

Originally posted by Strangelove
What does it mean?

In 1956, an act of the United States Congress effectively supplanted the national motto "E Pluribus Unum" for "In God We Trust." This was largely a move to cast the United States in a light opposite that of Communism, which was largely associated with atheism (adding "Under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance was also part of this movement). Not only was that not really true, but Communism is no longer a threat to any sort of religion or political regime. So why keep it?

Keeping "In God We Trust" as the national motto of the United States of America is still casting us in a light opposite that of others. Except now we're the bad guys. Keeping such a federal endorsement of religion emboldens the radical evangelicals and helps in part to keep the United States behind in social and technological developments (in addition to being a violation of the Constitution). There was once a time when religion controlled the government. They were called the Dark Ages.

The radical religious right prevent us from legalizing gay marriage, which is a human rights issue and has nothing to do with religion. The RRR prevents stem cell research, because using frozen embryos that are going to be discarded anyway to cure diseases like Parkinson's and Alzheimer's and spinal injuries is somehow 'destroying life.'

However, "E Pluribus Unum" (Latin for "Out of many, one"😉 is a uniting motto as opposed to a dividing one. Originally referring to the original thirteen colonies becoming one nation, it evolved as America became a nation of immigrants. No matter what or how many different cultures enter our borders, no matter what hardships we all face, we are [b]one nation and we stand united.

But no. We continue to have a motto on our money and in our lives that continues to send a message that is categorically un-American. [/B]

Taking "In God we trust" off of currency or "One nation, under God" out of the pledge of allegience will in no way change the fact that America is God's nation, a Christian nation.

Our blessings come from this fact, and the people who believe it will always exalt God as the ruler of this country, and pray for his protection and prosperity.

In fact, taking it off will just create more Christians. Watch and see, there will be street revivals like the world has never seen, with hundreds upon hundreds at a time being saved and turning their lives over to Chirst.

When the power of the Holy Spirit is healing disease and sickness on street corners, nobody will care what's on the money anymore.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Taking "In God we trust" off of currency or "One nation, under God" out of the pledge of allegience will in no way change the fact that America is God's nation, a Christian nation.

Our blessings come from this fact, and the people who believe it will always exalt God as the ruler of this country, and pray for his protection and prosperity.

In fact, taking it off will just create more Christians. Watch and see, there will be street revivals like the world has never seen, with hundreds upon hundreds at a time being saved and turning their lives over to Chirst.

When the power of the Holy Spirit is healing disease and sickness on street corners, nobody will care what's on the money anymore.

I ask you again, why is this "holy spirit healing" only witnessed by believers or only when believers are readily available? The way I see it; Christian "holy healers" could easily and irrevocably prove the "power of Christ" as you put it, by healing the masses... e.g. go to a children's hospital and heal every [innocent] child of cancer and life threatening genetic abnormalities, that would gain converts by the thousands. No?

Originally posted by Robtard
I ask you again, why is this "holy spirit healing" only witnessed by believers or only when believers are readily available? The way I see it; Christian "holy healers" could easily and irrevocably prove the "power of Christ" as you put it, by healing the masses... e.g. go to a children's hospital and heal every [innocent] child of cancer and life threatening genetic abnormalities, that would gain converts by the thousands. No?

Healing isn't to prove a point to unbelievers... it is the reward of faith for those that already ARE believers.

Or simply: Believe in the power of God for healing=healing

No belief= no healing

"For it is written, tempt not the Lord thy God."

Your claims that Christians should go around like magic sorcerers and heal thousands of people at a time (to prove God's existence, presumably) is based on two misconceptions:

1.) That God needs to or would actively try to prove himself to people. People come to Him out of faith and see proof of him in their own personal lives, not the other way around.

2.) That Christians who have the gift of healing (or prophecy) can use it at will, rather than as directed by God through the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Healing isn't to prove a point to unbelievers... it is the reward of faith for those that already ARE believers.

Or simply: Believe in the power of God for healing=healing

No belief= no healing

"For it is written, tempt not the Lord thy God."

Your claims that Christians should go around like magic sorcerers and heal thousands of people at a time (to prove God's existence, presumably) is based on two misconceptions:

1.) That God needs to or would actively try to prove himself to people. People come to Him out of faith and see proof of him in their own personal lives, not the other way around.

2.) That Christians who have the gift of healing (or prophecy) can use it at will, rather than as directed by God through the Holy Spirit.

Excuse me, but you're the one that said:

"When the power of the Holy Spirit is healing disease and sickness on street corners, nobody will care what's on the money anymore." -sithsaber408

Like I said, this "healing power" is only witnessed by believers (aka the biased); how convenient.

I do have another question though considering your above "Believe in the power of God for healing=healing"/ "No belief= no healing" passages... Christians/believers still die of cancer and other horrible diseases, why aren't they healed?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Taking "In God we trust" off of currency or "One nation, under God" out of the pledge of allegience will in no way change the fact that America is God's nation, a Christian nation.

Our blessings come from this fact, and the people who believe it will always exalt God as the ruler of this country, and pray for his protection and prosperity.

In fact, taking it off will just create more Christians. Watch and see, there will be street revivals like the world has never seen, with hundreds upon hundreds at a time being saved and turning their lives over to Chirst.

When the power of the Holy Spirit is healing disease and sickness on street corners, nobody will care what's on the money anymore.

That is beyond ridiculous. Taking the references to God out of our nation will create more Christians? Hardly. The people who want it to stay who care will be pissed and outraged. The people who want it to be gone will be satisfied. And the people who don't care...still won't care. But maybe they'll be glad that the nation that is supposedly the "last" superpower chooses to unite us rather than divide us.

The Founding Fathers knew that a government that ruled in tandem with the Church was tyrannical and unjust. More people have been killed in the name of Christ than any others in history. Christians have committed the most horrific atrocities known to man, and still they claim the high road.

Our great nation, The United States of America, was founded on a principle. Majority Rule with Minority Rights. Just because Christians, or even 'people of faith' make up a majority in this country, it does not mean that non-religious peoples or polytheistic faiths have any less rights that we do, even through something as trivial as a nation's motto.

France's national motto: Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité="Liberty, Equality, Fraternity"
Greece: Eleftheria i thanatos="Liberty or Death"
Spain: Plus ultra="Further beyond"

These are things that countrymen aspire to. We are the United States of America. We should be united across the borders of our diverse cultures, languages, religions, races, ethnicities, and creeds, moreso than any other nation on Earth. What right do we have to be divided simply because we were quote unquote 'founded' by religious men? Christian men do not a Christian nation make.

Your religious rhetoric is highly flawed, as religious rhetoric always is.