Originally posted by NazThe part about it being on our money was never part of my point.
But Strangelove is blowing the fact of it being on the money out of proportion. No one really cares. I bet most people don't even know whose head in on the nickel.
I love how everyone thinks the money is my problem, when I barely mentioned it at all. Lovely things, straw men 😆
^^^
Well if you're problem is then that Americans trust in God, my suggestion would be that you get over it.
If you're problem is that their trust spills over into govt. policy then you have a point, though it's a losing one as far as I'm concerned.
Don't let capt.s numbers (40 mil) fool you, in a report from msnbc last year 100 million (roughly 1/3rd of our 300 mil population) people identified themselves as Evangelical Christians.
That doesn't even include those that just kinda believe in God, or angels, or whatever.
You live in a Christian nation, and though Mr. Jefferson may not have completely endorsed it as such, many more of our founders did.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
^^^Well if you're problem is then that Americans trust in God, my suggestion would be that you get over it.
If you're problem is that their trust spills over into govt. policy then you have a point, though it's a losing one as far as I'm concerned.
Don't let capt.s numbers (40 mil) fool you, in a report from msnbc last year 100 million (roughly 1/3rd of our 300 mil population) people identified themselves as Evangelical Christians.
That doesn't even include those that just kinda believe in God, or angels, or whatever.
You live in a Christian nation, and though Mr. Jefferson may not have completely endorsed it as such, many more of our founders did.
But not all Americans trust in God, shouldn't the motto represent...well...all americans? Or at least not leave out a huge amount?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
You live in a Christian nation,
No we don't....
United States major' founding aspect was separation of Church and State....how do you NOT understand that ?
The term "In God we Trust" was NOT a founding
American tradition, it was added on recently. The term "One Nation Under God" was also propaganda against Communism, which was added in the 1950's.
Since Communism is no longer a threat to our style of Government, we should remove that quote from the Pledge of Allegiance, which is FOR the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE...having nothing to do with God.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
^^^Well if you're problem is then that Americans trust in God, my suggestion would be that you get over it.
If you're problem is that their trust spills over into govt. policy then you have a point, though it's a losing one as far as I'm concerned.
Don't let capt.s numbers (40 mil) fool you, in a report from msnbc last year 100 million (roughly 1/3rd of our 300 mil population) people identified themselves as Evangelical Christians.
That doesn't even include those that just kinda believe in God, or angels, or whatever.
You live in a Christian nation, and though Mr. Jefferson may not have completely endorsed it as such, many more of our founders did.
We live in a nation slowly being hi-jacked by people who call themselves Christians... How can you have "Freedom of Religion" when any one single religion has as stranglehold in the government?
Look at Iran; do you really want a government RULED by religion, any religion?
"There is a just God who presides over the destines of nations..."
-Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775
"...except the Bible, there is not a true history in the world."
-John Jay, February 28, 1797 (First Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and Signer of the U.S. Constitution.)
"God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is is probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"
-Benjamin Franklin, 1787
"Our constituiton was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadaquate to the government of any other."
-John Adams, October 11, 1798
"The belief in a God, all powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the world and to the happiness of man, that arguments that enforce it cannot be drawn from too many sources..."
-James Madison, November 20 1825 ("Chief Architect of the U.S. Constitution."😉
"Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become to self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us."
-Abraham Lincoln, March 30, 1863
"It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the Providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be gratefull for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor."
-George Washington, October 3, 1789
Checkmate, bitches.
This IS a Christian nation. It always has been.
Long before the words "In God we trust" or "Under God" were added to coins and pledges, this country was founded and started by people who had faith in the Christian God, and read the Christian Bible.
Point of fact the Constitution NEVER says anything about a "seperation of church and state"... rather it says: "congress shall make no law concerning religion".
Notice it isn't "Relgion shall make no law concerning congress."
That implies that the true meaning was for the government to stay out of people's religions and not tell them how to practice them, rather than the popular secular progressive idea that Christianity isn't meant to be part of our country.
Christianity always has been a part of this country, it's why it was allowed to become the greatest one in the world.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
"There is a just God who presides over the destines of nations..."-Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775
"...except the Bible, there is not a true history in the world."
-John Jay, February 28, 1797 (First Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and Signer of the U.S. Constitution.)
"God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is is probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"
-Benjamin Franklin, 1787
"Our constituiton was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadaquate to the government of any other."
-John Adams, October 11, 1798
"The belief in a God, all powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the world and to the happiness of man, that arguments that enforce it cannot be drawn from too many sources..."
-James Madison, November 20 1825 ("Chief Architect of the U.S. Constitution."😉
"Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become to self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us."
-Abraham Lincoln, March 30, 1863
"It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the Providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be gratefull for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor."
-George Washington, October 3, 1789
Checkmate, bitches.
This [b]IS
a Christian nation. It always has been.Long before the words "In God we trust" or "Under God" were added to coins and pledges, this country was founded and started by people who had faith in the Christian God, and read the Christian Bible.
Point of fact the Constitution NEVER says anything about a "seperation of church and state"... rather it says: "congress shall make no law concerning religion".
Notice it isn't "Relgion shall make no law concerning congress."
That implies that the true meaning was for the government to stay out of people's religions and not tell them how to practice them, rather than the popular secular progressive idea that Christianity isn't meant to be part of our country.
Christianity always has been a part of this country, it's why it was allowed to become the greatest one in the world. [/B]
No, it was a nation that was predominanetly colonized by Christians, who had the decency to create a country that is not limited to one world view, that did not interfere with the personal spiritual believes and did not let them interfere with the country.
On a different note, the Roman Empire fell about the time it was Christianized.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
"There is a just God who presides over the destines of nations..."-Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775
"...except the Bible, there is not a true history in the world."
-John Jay, February 28, 1797 (First Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and Signer of the U.S. Constitution.)
"God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is is probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"
-Benjamin Franklin, 1787
"Our constituiton was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadaquate to the government of any other."
-John Adams, October 11, 1798
"The belief in a God, all powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the world and to the happiness of man, that arguments that enforce it cannot be drawn from too many sources..."
-James Madison, November 20 1825 ("Chief Architect of the U.S. Constitution."😉
"Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become to self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us."
-Abraham Lincoln, March 30, 1863
"It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the Providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be gratefull for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor."
-George Washington, October 3, 1789
Checkmate, bitches.
This [b]IS
a Christian nation. It always has been.Long before the words "In God we trust" or "Under God" were added to coins and pledges, this country was founded and started by people who had faith in the Christian God, and read the Christian Bible.
Point of fact the Constitution NEVER says anything about a "seperation of church and state"... rather it says: "congress shall make no law concerning religion".
Notice it isn't "Relgion shall make no law concerning congress."
That implies that the true meaning was for the government to stay out of people's religions and not tell them how to practice them, rather than the popular secular progressive idea that Christianity isn't meant to be part of our country.
Christianity always has been a part of this country, it's why it was allowed to become the greatest one in the world. [/B]
You're trying to checkmate and you don't even have a chessboard...
Your quotes mean nothing... This has been done before and for each of your "Go Jesus Go!" quotes, there's a quote out there from Jefferson, Franklin, Madison etc. about their disdain for organized religion and the like.
I ask you, if the forefathers of this country did intend on America being a "Christian Nation" (aka Jesus Land); one ruled by Christianity as you seem to think, then why isn't Jesus or at least God mentioned in the Constitution?
Originally posted by Alliance
Dude...you're pretty sick imo.
This country has been blessed by all the Christians serving in it, praying for it, and believing in it.
God is removed from schools, and abortion is passed: bang! 9/11.
If there is no supernatural, no spiritual side of life then I'm a crack pot.
If there is, then I'm 100% right.
(fortunately for me, I've seen the supernatural/spiritual in the natural world many times, and I'm assured of the true nature of things and of whats going on in this country right now.
Are you?)
Originally posted by sithsaber408
This country has been blessed by all the Christians serving in it, praying for it, and believing in it.God is removed from schools, and abortion is passed: bang! 9/11.
If there is no supernatural, no spiritual side of life then I'm a crack pot.
If there is, then I'm 100% right.
(fortunately for me, I've seen the supernatural/spiritual in the natural world many times, and I'm assured of the true nature of things and of whats going on in this country right now.
Are you?)
You're a crack pot 😆
Originally posted by sithsaber408OMFG
This country has been blessed by all the Christians serving in it, praying for it, and believing in it.God is removed from schools, and abortion is passed: bang! 9/11.
If there is no supernatural, no spiritual side of life then I'm a crack pot.
If there is, then I'm 100% right.
(fortunately for me, I've seen the supernatural/spiritual in the natural world many times, and I'm assured of the true nature of things and of whats going on in this country right now.
Are you?)
Your rhetoric is swiss cheese.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
"There is a just God who presides over the destines of nations..."-Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775
"...except the Bible, there is not a true history in the world."
-John Jay, February 28, 1797 (First Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and Signer of the U.S. Constitution.)
"God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is is probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"
-Benjamin Franklin, 1787
"Our constituiton was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadaquate to the government of any other."
-John Adams, October 11, 1798
"The belief in a God, all powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the world and to the happiness of man, that arguments that enforce it cannot be drawn from too many sources..."
-James Madison, November 20 1825 ("Chief Architect of the U.S. Constitution."😉
"Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become to self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us."
-Abraham Lincoln, March 30, 1863
"It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the Providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be gratefull for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor."
-George Washington, October 3, 1789
Checkmate, bitches.
This [b]IS
a Christian nation. It always has been.Long before the words "In God we trust" or "Under God" were added to coins and pledges, this country was founded and started by people who had faith in the Christian God, and read the Christian Bible.
Point of fact the Constitution NEVER says anything about a "seperation of church and state"... rather it says: "congress shall make no law concerning religion".
Notice it isn't "Relgion shall make no law concerning congress."
That implies that the true meaning was for the government to stay out of people's religions and not tell them how to practice them, rather than the popular secular progressive idea that Christianity isn't meant to be part of our country.
Christianity always has been a part of this country, it's why it was allowed to become the greatest one in the world. [/B]
Adams, James and George Washington. “Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11.” 1796-7.The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.
Franklin, Benjamin. Benjamin Franklin, A Biography in his Own Words. 1758.As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion . . . has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity.
Madison, James. Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments. 1785.During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.
Paine, Thomas Robert. The Age of Reason. 1795.Whenever we read the obscene stories [of The Bible], the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the Word of God.
Washington, George. The Writings of George Washington. 12 vols. 1834.The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.
Checkmate, indeed. 🙄
Originally posted by sithsaber408
fortunately for me, I've seen the supernatural/spiritual in the natural world many times, and I'm assured of the true nature of things and of whats going on in this country right now.
^ This implies this:
Originally posted by sithsaber408
If there is no supernatural, no spiritual side of life then I'm a crack pot.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
This country has been blessed by all the Christians serving in it, praying for it, and believing in it.God is removed from schools, and abortion is passed: bang! 9/11.
If there is no supernatural, no spiritual side of life then I'm a crack pot.
If there is, then I'm 100% right.
(fortunately for me, I've seen the supernatural/spiritual in the natural world many times, and I'm assured of the true nature of things and of whats going on in this country right now.
Are you?)
You seriously think God caused 9/11 because God is angry? Seriously?
Also, your "If" argument is fraudulent, what if [hypothetically speaking] there in fact is a spiritual/super-natural side of life but it's entirely different than what you believe it is?
Originally posted by Bardock42
It seems to shift responsibility. Therefore idiotic.
And it should be changed because not all (not even an amazingly great amoung) of your citizens even believe in such a thing as God and your constitution speaks strictly of a separation of state and church. God not being a concept of states...
Furthermore, the entire idea of the "wall of separation" has been so perverted since its original inception that it barely resembles what it once did.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Talk about reading into it.Actually, the Constitution doesn't. The "wall of separation" was written by Thomas Jefferson to a group of Baptists who were afraid that the government saw their religious freedom as being a privilege rather than a right.
Furthermore, the entire idea of the "wall of separation" has been so perverted since its original inception that it barely resembles what it once did.
yawn