Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What ever you say. people who has said that have ended up looking stupid when other's have come and backed me up with the scans. I do not like going thru a billion comics to post scans. The Rod also obey's Barda's commands. If it didn't, she would one shot everyone she used it on. barda is also a new god,she would know what a continent weights I'm sure of it. Propulsion and defying of gravity are NOT the same. kitty pride can defy gravity. Cannon ball can propel himself but he cannot defy gravity.
Semantics, are you really going to reduce this to semantics ? They defy Gravity that is their power. And that along with their Durability allows them to move objects the size of planets.
And best of All Bryne validates this.
The Continent thing was almost certainly an exaggeration, I own the comics and have read it on numerous occasions. Its the first appearance of the Ultra Marines, one of whom has the power to increase mass. She states that it must weigh as much as a continent, in a jokey context. I.e. its Hyperbole. This is backed up with the Cosmic Rod incident.
U are suggesting that someone who can lift a continent (Weighing Trillions of tons) can only create a psi force of 7 tons per square inch, when they hit their hardest. I don't think so. 🙄 🙂
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's your theory. As long as the Artist shows the muscles straining, then I'm inclined it's thier muscles doing the work. The Spectre even comments on this when Superman and WW hold up his form. He talks about thier might. Not thier flight propulsion. Even tho they were flying when they were holdign him up.
LOL with the muscles straining, dude I happen to have a harness to pull over my head and attach to a car to pull it for a workout.
My muscles strain and I pull the freakin car, literally, so by your logic I can also lift this vehicle, right?
Originally posted by Soleran
LOL with the muscles straining, dude I happen to have a harness to pull over my head and attach to a car to pull it for a workout.My muscles strain and I pull the freakin car, literally, so by your logic I can also lift this vehicle, right?
actually, you aren't thinking in terms of the lack of direction in space. When you pull a car, you are not pulling directly against the gravity of the earth. You are pulling the car on wheels which provides leverage. In Space there is no leverage. There is no direction. They were pulling against the suns gravity directly. It would have been a hell of a lot easier for them to push the earth if they could have put it on big wheels and roll it. Try that one again. I dont' know where you came with that.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
actually, you aren't thinking in terms of the lack of direction in space. When you pull a car, you are not pulling directly against the gravity of the earth. You are pulling the car on wheels which provides leverage. In Space there is no leverage. There is no direction. They were pulling against the suns gravity directly. It would have been a hell of a lot easier for them to push the earth if they could have put it on big wheels and roll it. Try that one again. I dont' know where you came with that.
Wow, just barely in line there.
Mostly incorrect though, doesn't matter they didn't lift it, Donkey Punch already addressed that it's about power and how it's applied.
Originally posted by Soleran
Wow, just barely in line there.Mostly incorrect though, doesn't matter they didn't lift it, Donkey Punch already addressed that it's about power and how it's applied.
actually i'm not incorrect at all. There is NO direction in space. There is only direction on earth becuz we have gravity. But if you look at this way. If you go to antartica, and you point down, your actually pointing up. The reason it's down is becuz gravity makes it down for you. I was basically saying, just becuz you can pull something, doesn't mean you can lift it. Becuz gravity is working against you to lift it. Where as you have leverage if you pull something on wheels. In space, there is no leverage. There is no direction. The sun is pulling everything from all directions holding everything in place. No Up, no down. Just in place. As far as the theory that Dunkey is touting, I'm not Buying it. Herakles in DC is the herakles of Greek mythology. He's held the earth. On what I dont know. DIDn't fly. WW is stronger than Herakles. Superman is SLightly stronger than or equal to Wonderwoman. They weren't trying to hold the Earth in place, which is an impressive feat on it's own, but they were trying to move it out of the suns massive grip on the solar system. It's safe to say that if herakles is strong enough to hold the earth, these two who are stronger, are strong enough together with MM to move it with STrength. Propulsion theory is a joke.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
actually i'm not incorrect at all. There is NO direction in space. There is only direction on earth becuz we have gravity. But if you look at this way. If you go to antartica, and you point down, your actually pointing up. The reason it's down is becuz gravity makes it down for you. I was basically saying, just becuz you can pull something, doesn't mean you can lift it. Becuz gravity is working against you to lift it. Where as you have leverage if you pull something on wheels. In space, there is no leverage. There is no direction. The sun is pulling everything from all directions holding everything in place. No Up, no down. Just in place. As far as the theory that Dunkey is touting, I'm not Buying it. Herakles in DC is the herakles of Greek mythology. He's held the earth. On what I dont know. DIDn't fly. WW is stronger than Herakles. Superman is SLightly stronger than or equal to Wonderwoman. They weren't trying to hold the Earth in place, which is an impressive feat on it's own, but they were trying to move it out of the suns massive grip on the solar system. It's safe to say that if herakles is strong enough to hold the earth, these two who are stronger, are strong enough together with MM to move it with STrength. Propulsion theory is a joke.
So you are suggesting you cannot pull things in space, because there is mo direction ? So a I suppose if a Space shuttle tried to pull and Astronaut it wouldn't be able to because there is no direction in space. And if it was able to pull the Astronaut it would because it has stronger muscles ?
Good theory there ! 🙂
Originally posted by Donkey Punch
So you are suggesting you cannot pull things in space, because there is mo direction ? So a I suppose if a Space shuttle tried to pull and Astronaut it wouldn't be able to because there is no direction in space. And if it was able to pull the Astronaut it would because it has stronger muscles ?Good theory there ! 🙂
Funny that you mention that...but, due to the relative lack of gravity in space, an astronaut can actually move and lift things that are VASTLY larger than what he would be able to lift otherwise. They can arrange incredibly large parts of the space station, and the like.
Maybe that needs to be taken into account when looking at feats like Thor's....
Originally posted by Soljer
Funny that you mention that...but, due to the relative lack of gravity in space, an astronaut can actually move and lift things that are VASTLY larger than what he would be able to lift otherwise. They can arrange incredibly large parts of the space station, and the like.Maybe that needs to be taken into account when looking at feats like Thor's....
I disagree. The Serpent was wrapped around the Earth. So it was very heavy. It was being affected by the Earth's Gravity. Not only that, the serpent was locked around the Earth. SO Thor had to pull against How ever much it weighed, but the grip of the serpent as well. It's not a Good a feat as pulling the Earth against the sun, but IMO, it's probably a close 2nd or 3rd.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I disagree. The Serpent was wrapped around the Earth. So it was very heavy. It was being affected by the Earth's Gravity. Not only that, the serpent was locked around the Earth. SO Thor had to pull against How ever much it weighed, but the grip of the serpent as well. It's not a Good a feat as pulling the Earth against the sun, but IMO, it's probably a close 2nd or 3rd.
It's nowhere near. Not even the same tier.
For one, as soon as Thor broke the serpent's grip, it seemed to stop resisting, AND would have been continuously LESS affected by the Earth's gravity. Also, the serpent wasn't anywhere NEAR the size of the Earth's crust, much less the ENTIRE Earth. Nor would it be ANYWHERE near as dense. The serpent weighed a fraction (a SMALL fraction) of what the Earth weighed. At best. You can't really compare the two, considering it was probably about a tenth of the size, and a tenth of the density.
Also, even if Thor was pulling against Earth's gravity, AND against the grip of the serpent, it still would be FAR easier than even INCHING a full-sized planet in either direction against the force of the sun's gravity.
Originally posted by Soljer
It's nowhere near. Not even the same tier.For one, as soon as Thor broke the serpent's grip, it seemed to stop resisting, AND would have been continuously LESS affected by the Earth's gravity. Also, the serpent wasn't anywhere NEAR the size of the Earth's crust, much less the ENTIRE Earth. Nor would it be ANYWHERE near as dense. The serpent weighed a fraction (a SMALL fraction) of what the Earth weighed. At best. You can't really compare the two, considering it was probably about a tenth of the size, and a tenth of the density.
Also, even if Thor was pulling against Earth's gravity, AND against the grip of the serpent, it still would be FAR easier than even INCHING a full-sized planet in either direction against the force of the sun's gravity.
Agreed, for once. 🙂
Sorry wrong person, i though nvr made that last post.
Originally posted by Soljer
It's nowhere near. Not even the same tier.For one, as soon as Thor broke the serpent's grip, it seemed to stop resisting, AND would have been continuously LESS affected by the Earth's gravity. Also, the serpent wasn't anywhere NEAR the size of the Earth's crust, much less the ENTIRE Earth. Nor would it be ANYWHERE near as dense. The serpent weighed a fraction (a SMALL fraction) of what the Earth weighed. At best. You can't really compare the two, considering it was probably about a tenth of the size, and a tenth of the density.
Also, even if Thor was pulling against Earth's gravity, AND against the grip of the serpent, it still would be FAR easier than even INCHING a full-sized planet in either direction against the force of the sun's gravity.
OK you got me there. I was just trying not to appear like a Thor hater. Of course you know I already did the math. They each appear to have pulled what amounts to a hundred or so earth's Each if you factor in the sun's gravity.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I disagree. The Serpent was wrapped around the Earth. So it was very heavy. It was being affected by the Earth's Gravity. Not only that, the serpent was locked around the Earth. SO Thor had to pull against How ever much it weighed, but the grip of the serpent as well. It's not a Good a feat as pulling the Earth against the sun, but IMO, it's probably a close 2nd or 3rd.
It looked like he was pulling on the head until its grip broke.
I can't see it's head in the first scan but if it's like in the myth breaking its grip may have been as simple as forcing its mouth open and then using the ship's propulsion to unwind it.