Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Hello my Friend, how are you 🙂 ? The "true" Brothers are equal to the Presence and TOAA (maybe their true avatars?), with the 2nd most powerful beings of each Universe, Spectre and LT, GEB would be overpowered.
Quite well. Need a vacation 🙂 U be safe. I will agree. GEB does lose. I wield the avatar 🙂
Originally posted by Utrigita
Damm I love this forum 😄And you Mr Master you are one of the funniest to debate something with.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Indeed. One of the FUNNIEST.
He simply don't like the pre-retconned Brothers, and he is making some great points.
We shouln't bash each other 🙂, we are all comic fans. MM is a good debater, with good scans and interesting points, but he can be kind of stubborn, even if he is "wrong" but anyone has this trait in his/her personality, so you can't blame him for that. The best would be if the people who learned to dislike each other try it anew, with more respect this time, and it will be an better atmosphere here. *dmn I sound like an preacher..... T-T
No offense to anyone of you intended my friends 🙂.
Hell we are all more ore less stubborn when we are certain that we are right.
And my reference isn't to be taken as a bad thing but rather a good thing I like debating with Mr Master it is in those debates that I perhaps learns most about the cosmic hierachy.
No he doesn't like Pre retcon Brothers because the story is basically rubbish seen how they left out many interesting and on panel evidence of opposite facts along the way.
But thats the same with all of use I believe we all have a character that we doesn't love I have Pre-retcon Beyonder (thinks he is to powerful) but again we all have a character we doesn't like, and that is the way it is, and in that way we are getting what all of us are here for, some damm good debates 😄
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
We shouln't bash each other 🙂, we are all comic fans. MM is a good debater, with good scans and interesting points, but he can be kind of stubborn, even if he is "wrong" but anyone has this trait in his/her personality, so you can't blame him for that. The best would be if the people who learned to dislike each other try it anew, with more respect this time, and it will be an better atmosphere here. *dmn I sound like an preacher..... T-TNo offense to anyone of you intended my friends 🙂.
Always make excellent points. We champion characters. I joined. I love to learn. I agree Mr M and Galan are excellent teachers. Respecting views has always been my motto. There is never a need to disrespect. Threads get closed, insults hurled. Just give an opinion and lets keep learning. Guy222. Have a blessed weekend 🙂
Originally posted by Utrigita
Hell we are all more ore less stubborn when we are certain that we are right.And my reference isn't to be taken as a bad thing but rather a good thing I like debating with Mr Master it is in those debates that I perhaps learns most about the cosmic hierachy.
No he doesn't like Pre retcon Brothers because the story is basically rubbish seen how they left out many interesting and on panel evidence of opposite facts along the way.
But thats the same with all of use I believe we all have a character that we doesn't love I have Pre-retcon Beyonder (thinks he is to powerful) but again we all have a character we doesn't like, and that is the way it is, and in that way we are getting what all of us are here for, some damm good debates 😄
One look at my avatar. Tells anyone who I like. Having friends who are your peers is amazing. 🙂 Please be safe and lets have a cheers
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Acrually Mr. Master is one of the greatest debater throughout the comicbook boards, rivaled by Ganant, since Galant knows a lot about DC as well.
The have made countless respect threads, and he is well informed.He simply don't like the pre-retconned Brothers, and he is making some great points.
Yes one of the funniest,most decietfull,lying,
stubborn,smart,resourcefull,egotistical,foulmouth,sore loosers around,
If he is so great i feel bad for the rest of the COMICBOOK BOARDS
and all who praise his crap are just as bad, maybe worse
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Klick on the scan and read it carefully."The Brothers are setteling the contest [B]their
own way..."By comming together all that they are so they can coexist as one unified being... [/B]
Klick on these scans and read them carefully.
"He was wrong. The old Guradian knows now he was wrong"
"He had thought the merging was the doing of the Brothers,
it was NOT"
"The Living Tribunal & the Spectre are holding it all together."
swank
Originally posted by Galan007
Once they were merged, did you notice the Brothers trying and failing to seperate themselves?Now if you had, then I could see you saying Spectre and LT OWNED them.
As you wish.
IMO, because LT & Spectre completely Warped the Totality of these Brothers,
they OWNED them for as long as they did.
Originally posted by Galan007
But I saw nothing of the sort, so I would think it's FAR from ownage.
Nothing here leads me to think the Brothers would have been destroyed.A few Universes? Sure.
But the Brothers themselves? Nah.
I don't remember Access stating a "few" Universes, they were referring to One Universe on each side the ENTIRE series. One Universe being One Brother.
Only in the beginning did they mention the word Multiverse ONCE, which is cool, but the point is when Access said this:
"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated"
"We're still here indicates our Universes coexisting rather than smashed together"
And Batman said that, they were referring to the Brothers, as surely was Access.
I'll state that with confidence. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr MasterThat's your opinion on what Access was talking about, but he never actually said the Brothers would be destroyed.
I don't remember Access stating a "few" Universes, they were referring to One Universe on each side the ENTIRE series. One Universe being One Brother.Only in the beginning did they mention the word Multiverse ONCE, which is cool, but the point is when Access said this:
"When it looked like [B]the Universes would be Obliterated
""We're still here indicates our Universes coexisting rather than smashed together"
And Batman said that, they were referring to the Brothers, as surely was Access.[/B]
He just referred to Universes.
To me, this means exactly that...... Universes, (pieces of the Brothers)
Not the Brothers in their entirety.
So it's up in the air, but you can't say for sure that Access was referring to the Brothers, just as I can't say for sure he was not.
Originally posted by Mr Master
As you wish.IMO, because LT & Spectre completely Warped the Totality of these Brothers,
they OWNED them for as long as they did.
I don't remember Access stating a "few" Universes, they were referring to One Universe on each side the ENTIRE series. One Universe being One Brother.
Only in the beginning did they mention the word Multiverse ONCE, which is cool, but the point is when Access said this:
"When it looked like [B]the Universes would be Obliterated
""We're still here indicates our Universes coexisting rather than smashed together"
And Batman said that, they were referring to the Brothers, as surely was Access.
I'll state that with confidence. 🙂 [/B]
Mr. M, do u believe Merlyn or LT can destroy anyone or any object
Originally posted by Galan007
How is it that Marvel can retcon a DC character?The only way this "retcon" could be made 100% official, is if DC sold the rights of the blue Brother to Marvel.
Do you have proof that any such transaction took place?
If not then I refuse to believe Marvel can retcon a character from DC.
I didn't just find proof,
but I found even better evidence than I could have ever imagined.
🙄
Ok,
evidently,
Marvel made Adventures of the X-Men #12 the Previous Universe/Multiverse.
Oh yea, it gets better.
Apparently my rival was right about one thing, Phoenix was involved in that issue in Galactus' Origin, (finally On Panel) but not the way we would expect.
I was right about this point when I investigated #12 thoroughly.
This was Phoenix' involvement in Galactus's birth.
The Dweller in Darkness feeds on fear, he was going to consume all the fear that the end of the Universe would have brought to every living being, therefore becoming uber powerful, (the end of the Universe was coming via the Mkraan Crystal.
NOW.
Phoenix stopped his plans by connecting with every living soul of the Universe she was in, Phoenix gave them a feeling of security and assurance that life would come from this death via the Crystal, this way taking away all the fear that the Dweller wanted to absorb.
NOW.
at this point the Galan and his origin is taking place in the background of the drama happening in Jean's Reality, while the Mkraan Crystal is about to REMAKE the first Multiverse ever.
So since the Dweller was unable to empower himself with fear, Reality was able to be Re-Created through the Mkraan Crystal, just seconds before that happened, Eternity was able to SAVE Galan and "merge" with him to begin his gestation into Galactus.
Ok that was interesting,
that leads to this:
(The Living Tribunal & the Spectre, manipulated the birth,
of the DC and Marvel Reality)
Ralph Macchio, with the assistance of Mike Carlin, wrote this and stated this.
If you don't know who these guys are, don't even respond. 🙂
(excerpt from Marvel.com)
"During this conflict,
the Living Tribunal is seen to be holding the Two Brothers,
in the palm of his hand,
as he goes to consult with his "hooded, spectral ally" (clearly the Spectre).
As the old universe is destroyed, the Tribunal releases the Brothers
to "assume their pre-destined roles as architects of new realities."
_
So, while the ADVENTURES OF THE X-MEN might not be seen as official canon under other circumstances, the book was written by Ralph Macchio, with the assistance of Mike Carlin, indicating that both Marvel and DC were involved in this explanation. Their intentions seem quite clear and there is no information to dispute this.
_
The M'Kraan Crystal is a nexus of realities. Destruction of the crystal destroyed the multiverse, effectively ending all realities and starting a new multiverse. The activities that occur in that issue are the very last in any reality.
_
The M'Kraan Crystal's destruction of the universe manifested itself as a radiation plague that moved from the Milky Way and/or Shi'ar Galaxy outward, closing in on Taa last. Since it can alter reality, it could have created this plague retroactively.
_
The Living Tribunal is also unique in the multiverse, so this is "the" Living Tribunal acting, not some counterpart.
This information is not even new. It has a precedent in the MARVEL ENCYCLOPEDIA: FANTASTIC FOUR, and both times the information was approved by Tom Brevoort."
Is this awesome for LT or what? 😄
MORE sweet news from Marvel.com. (Here they talk about Marvel vs DC
Others have commented on the Spectre.
Not being experts on DC's continuity, we cannot argue that, but don't need to. There was "a" Spectre present as representative of the DC Multiverse. Who exactly he was and how he got there is beyond the scope of Marvel Handbooks."
Go here for the complete details:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/OHOTMU😄ata_Corrections_Fantastic_Four_2005
*edit*
I can't make it stop placing that smilie there:
copy that address, then paste it on your bar,
replace the smilie with this,
: D
It should read like this,
OHOTMU : Data (there should be NO Space between the Colon and the U and the D)
It should take you to the link.
I'd like to add,
this does not cover what DC grew into afterwards, I think this is a retcon of the beginning of everything in Marvel and DC, what bloomed afterwards, is well different stories in both companies.
Top editorial/Writers from both Marvel and DC formulated this idea and as we know published it, in this Official Marvel site and On Panel.
Spectre's names was clearly used, Mike Carlin's name and the DC Multiverse itself is mentioned, in THE Official Marvel.com.
We were unsure about things before with the "copy right infringment" theory,
not anymore.
😎
Originally posted by Galan007
That's your opinion on what Access was talking about, but he never actually said the Brothers would be destroyed.He just referred to Universes.
To me, this means exactly that...... Universes, (pieces of the Brothers)
Not the Brothers in their entirety.
So it's up in the air, but you can't say for sure that Access was referring to the Brothers, just as I can't say for sure he was not.
This is right before the LT & Spectre release the Brothers:
"We're using it to Restore the Universes"
After the separation exactly One split down the middle of Two Realities.
Immediately afterwards:
"The Universe that was an Amalgam of Two Others blows apart"
"We're back to the Universes co-existing"
This is the scan you say Access meant Universe as in pieces of the Brothers.
Let us see:
"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated, then the BUM helped me Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN"
"Someplace where NO Aspect of the Brothers existed"
When DID it LOOK like the Universes would be Obliterated?
So we can figure out whether it was just singular Universes or the Brothers themselves.
This the moment,
"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated, then the BUM helped me Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN"
I think we can agree "The Universes" were the Brothers ey?
Where is this place "where NO Aspect of the Brothers exists?"
And there is the "BUM, that helped him Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN, when the Universes were about to be Obliterated.
When did this happen?
When the Brothers were MERGED by LT & Spectre, it's all clear On Panel. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
Klick on these scans and read them carefully."[B]He was wrong
. The old Guradian knows now he was wrong""He had thought the merging was the doing of the Brothers,
it was NOT"
"The Living Tribunal & the Spectre are holding it all together."
swank [/B]
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So basicly the reason why they were merged was because they thought they merged.
The Brothers thought that they've merged, and were not aware of the interfarence of the Specre and the Living Tribunal.
They could break free at any time, but they thought they had merged.
No,
the old Guardian of the gateway thought they merged on their own,
then he realized they did not,
that in fact,
it was LT and Spectre that Merged them.
"He was wrong. The old Guradian knows now he was wrong"
"He had thought the merging was the doing of the Brothers,
it was NOT"
Did you bother reading this at all?
There's no disputing this.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And in the post above, they thing you basicly want to say is that he spared some energies in the Amalgam Universe, which was neither Marvel or DC.
Almagam Universe was both Marvel and DC in One.
