GEB vs Merlyn/The Brothers/LT

Originally posted by Mr Master
I dispute even Handbook Bios that contradict On Panel evidence friend,

so this means nothing.

Also according to that Bio, Spectre is a joke to LT:

"The Spectre in the DC universe isn't really the equivalent to the Living Tribunal. [B]He is much less powerful and not the guardian of the multiverse. He is actually the embodiment of God's wrath or something."

(towards the bottom, above clarifications)

Do you accept this too? 😉

And for the record Utrigita,

I only accept Bio info that coincides with On Panel evidence,

If there is only one source of proof, then On Panel > Bio.

LT and Spectre were nothing

and somehow LT and Spectre managed to completely WARP both Brothers.

Got it. 😄 [/B]

Okay but again you continues post scans that showes that marvel appendix is approved by Marvel.

If we say spectre then it very much depends on who is the host of him gods wrath ore the one who got faced kicked by batman 😕 Spectre changes his powers LT doesn't change directly.

Correct they where nothing.

As you say in you own respect thread to LT, Spectre and LT momentailly owns the Brothers and then it is LT and Spectre that gets ownd, remember that they isn't stopping the fight 😉, Captain America and Batman are the one that pulls of that hattrick of getting the Brothers to seize fire.

LT also says that he feels a power that warps the universal balance that he cannot do anything right, and I can only assume that he is only refering to the brother from Marvel, The one from DC is just as powerful, and spectre as said later is also powerless, so basically we have to omnipotente beings that are getting tricked/"forced" into doing something they doesn't want to. I can also momentally force a guy from the gym that can beat me into something that I want I can trick him ore force him, momentally, but in the long run he will win the fight. 😄

Pointless to debate really Merlyn Pre-retcon Brothers and LT wins.

(it is funny everytime I have been gone for a while I always ends up in this discussion concerning the Pre retcon Brothers vs someone) 😕

Originally posted by Mr Master
The story is so terrible they couldn't even keep that in order.

All the major Cosmics were missing, Omniversal Guardians should have been essential to this crap, but even they were forgotten.

Where is it stated that their power expanded?

They were a bit dence, ture, "a trillion years seemed like a blink of an eye". So they didn't realize that they were merged

How could they be nothing to them,

when they Warped the Brothers completely, nearly destroying both Brothers?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Living Tribunal was there, and he couldent even affect the battle at the end.

It took time for them to break the barrier between Marvel and DC.
The lack of knowlegde of the other side made them incomplete, both supreme, this was causing a paradox, an imbalance.
They merged because of the Living Tribunal and Spectre, true, but when the realized that they've fused the imidetely broke free.

They were a bit dence, ture, "a trillion years seemed like a blink of an eye". So they didn't realize that they were merged

Destroying, no, not even close, it took time to adjust to the new world, as they both were supreme in this paradox.
Their powers were at prime, but the intelligence, it took time for them to understad, this however is wierd since they're potrayed as ethernal and exists beyond time itself.

They where never fused they where :Mr Master Forced: :Utrigita Tricked: into another universe.

Intelligense what intelligense they had nothing of that.

Originally posted by Utrigita
They where never fused they where :Mr Master Forced: :Utrigita Tricked: into another universe.

Intelligense what intelligense they had nothing of that.

Even when they was to stop the Brothers they didn't even affect the battle. They were literally useless.

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1866/18wg8.jpg

Read this, as well, they fused, not forced.
"The Brothers are setting the contst their own way"
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1502/33099844iq8.jpg

Not the Spectre's way, not the Living Tribunal's way, but their own way.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay but again you continues post scans that showes that marvel appendix is approved by Marvel.

And again,

I don't care what source you use,

if it contradicts what happened On Panel, it's inconsequential.

Originally posted by Utrigita
If we say spectre then it very much depends on who is the host of him gods wrath ore the one who got faced kicked by batman Spectre changes his powers LT doesn't change directly.

It doesn't say anything about that, only that Spectre is weaker than LT:

"The Spectre in the DC universe isn't really the equivalent to the Living Tribunal. He is much less powerful and not the guardian of the multiverse. He is actually the embodiment of God's wrath or something."

Originally posted by Utrigita
Correct they where nothing.

But still enough to OWN the Brothers.

LT and Spectre completely WARPED the Brothers into One Universe:

Originally posted by Mr Master
"The Brothers are MERGING Realities, combining Universes"

(Actually we find out in the Next Issue, that the Living Tribunal and Spectre were the ones that MERGED the TWO Universes BY FORCE!)

When LT and Spectre MERGED the TWO Universes/Brothers, (by Force)

the Brothers became ONE Universe called the Amalgam Universe

(basically a Mixture of BOTH)

"He had thought the MERGING was the DOING of the Brothers, it was NOT"

"because of the War, ONE of the Universes faced being hurled INTO OBLIVION"

"And the Cosmic Guardians ... the Living Tribunal and Spectre,

are HOLDING it ALL TOGETHER" (by Force)

"Their effort Created a Amalgam Universe ... the Brother aren't Happy about it"

Originally posted by Utrigita
As you say in you own respect thread to LT, Spectre and LT momentailly owns the Brothers and then it is LT and Spectre that gets ownd,

Actually you're totality wrong about that friend.

LT and Spectre released the Brothers, cause the Brothers were going to be destroyed.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Had it not been for Access giving LT and Spectre some of the Brothers' own power to them, they wouldn't have been able to release the Brothers without destroying BOTH the Brothers first:

Access placed "SHARDS" (Fragments of the Brothers) within Captain America & Batman, which were still there even in their Archetypes in the ONE Amalgam Universe the Brothers had become.

Access gives Spectre & LT the Power of the "SHARDS" within Bats & Cap to Separate the TWO Universes without destroying then at the same time.

"I'm giving the Living Tribunal access to the Power within You, and we're using it to Restore the Universes"

"As it had come Together, the Universe that was an Amalgam of TWO Others blows apart"

Those were comments made by Access, who could barely comprehend what the heck he was witnessing.

The reality is,

LT and Spectre were holding the Brothers back, and because of this, the Brothers were only able to strike each other ONCE after LT and Spectre interrupted their battle.

Originally posted by Utrigita
remember that they isn't stopping the fight, Captain America and Batman are the one that pulls of that hattrick of getting the Brothers to seize fire.

What trick?

The Brothers stopped because when they finally clashed, they saw the significance of life, through Cap and Bats, there was no trick.

Originally posted by Utrigita
LT also says that he feels a power that warps the universal balance that he cannot do anything right, and I can only assume that he is only refering to the brother from Marvel,

"The Cosmic Balance tilts, and for the first time, I can not right it" (bull shit)

"But what could possibly exist that is mighty enough to thwart my will of the LT?"

I don't know ... Korvac backed by Death?

"Is Korvac's power so vast that he can shield his World from my righteous retribution?"

"I have meted out my punishment, yet Korvac stands ... I can do no more"

Originally posted by Utrigita
so basically we have to omnipotente beings that are getting tricked/"forced" into doing something they doesn't want to.

Show me where is it stated that LT & Spectre tricked the Brothers?

On Panel LT & Spectre Physically WARPED/MANIPULATED the Brothers

completely by Force,

don't sugar coat it.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I can also momentally force a guy from the gym that can beat me into something that I want I can trick him ore force him, momentally, but in the long run he will win the fight.

Bad analogy. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Spectre in the DC universe isn't really the equivalent to the Living Tribunal. [B]He is much less powerful [/B]

Spectre tapped into the logoz (his true power) would be his equalment I presume.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Spectre tapped into the logoz (his true power) would be his equalment I presume.

However merged with the Source he would have the edge.
I think he was tapped into the logos (you can't see it anyways) when he fought the Bro's.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
However merged with the Source he would have the edge.

The Brothers however are:
PR Bro's > Presence + TOAA
or
PR Bro's = Presence + TOAA

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Living Tribunal was there, and he couldent even affect the battle at the end.

LT and Spectre WARPED both Brothers,

and the Brothers were nearly obliterated because of this.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
It took time for them to break the barrier between Marvel and DC.
The lack of knowlegde of the other side made them incomplete, both supreme, this was causing a paradox, an imbalance.

This must be your personal theory cause I never came across this info in the story.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
They merged because of the Living Tribunal and Spectre, true, but when the realized that they've fused the imidetely broke free.

This is incorrect.

LT and Spectre themselves detached the Brothers, with the help of Access.

I already posted the proof twice.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
They were a bit dence, ture, "a trillion years seemed like a blink of an eye". So they didn't realize that they were merged

Again, your speculation,

this isn't mentioned anywhere On Panel or in their Bio.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Destroying, no, not even close,

More than CLOSE!

"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated"

"We're still here indicates our Universes coexisting rather than smashed together"

LT and Spectre even say,

The Universes are momentarily safe"

"It is nothing short of miraculous they exist at all"

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
it took time to adjust to the new world, as they both were supreme in this paradox. Their powers were at prime, but the intelligence, it took time for them to understad,

Again, speculation.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Brothers however are:
PR Bro's > Presence + TOAA
or
PR Bro's = Presence + TOAA

This would mean that LT and Spectre can obliterate TOAA and the Presence.

I must disagree.

Originally posted by Galan007
Really?

According to the Brothers Bio?

Yes.

That's where I got that from, cause someone tried to use the Brothers' Bio as proof.

So I threw that one at them, and asked,

"Do you accept this too?"

Originally posted by Mr Master
According to the Brothers Bio?

Yes.

That's where I got that from, cause someone tried to use the Brothers' Bio as proof.

So I threw that one at them, and asked,

"Do you accept this too?"

Originally posted by Mr Master
This would mean that LT and Spectre can obliterate TOAA and the Presence.

I must disagree.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
They were supreme, nothing was above them.
And the Living Tribunal and Spectre couldent kill them, they were amazed that they had survived, but then again, the Brothers werent.

IMHO, Brothers are impressive. Post Brothers work for LT. LT=Spectre. I stay in the present

Originally posted by Galan007
Bro's bio written by Marvel?

Yea,

that's kinda funny, but it seems Marvel was taking over these cats even when they were supposed to be the Marvel and DC Multiverse.

Actually they went as far as to say they were Megaverses even back then, that's where they stated that Spectre is "far weaker" than LT.

This site IS approved by Marvel and for the most past they are on point, (more detailed information than necessary) but like any system it has flaws, they have the Omniverse as all Comic Book companies and that's rubbish, to them Marvel is a Megaverse, nonsense that would put LT holding both the DC and Marvel Reality in one hand.

Anywho, they probably just need an update on the page and site, that's an obscure subject line where only aficionados like ourselves would notice.

Perhaps I should submit a "heads up" to their site, they actually encourage us to email them about any errors one might find in their bios.

That's definitely one,

Marvel must've hated the whole project so much that they Retconned the Brothers 3 Months after DC vs Marvel ended.

I also read somewhere in Marvel.com I believe that Marvel considers Michael as LT's equal.

I'll get you the link.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea,

that's kinda funny, but it seems Marvel was taking over these cats even when they were supposed to be the Marvel and DC Multiverse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually they went as far as to say they were Megaverses even back then, that's where they stated that Spectre is "far weaker" than LT.

There is really nothing to suggest otherwise IMO.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This site IS approved by Marvel and for the most past they are on point, (more detailed information than necessary) but like any system it has flaws, they have the Omniverse as all Comic Book companies and that's rubbish, to them Marvel is a Megaverse, nonsense that would put LT holding both the DC and Marvel Reality in one hand.

IMO this was Marvel's way of referring to Spectre without infringing on any copyright laws.

If that's true, then someone might think LT could have been holding both realities waiting to consult with Spectre....... But it does sound like rubbish.

Spectre guards DC
LT guards Marvel

Originally posted by Mr Master
Marvel must've hated the whole project so much that they Retconned the Brothers 3 Months after DC vs Marvel ended.

Hell Marvel at least retconned the Bro's.

DC just never wrote about them again. 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
I also read somewhere in Marvel.com I believe that Marvel considers Michael as LT's equal.

I'll get you the link.

Michael = God's power personified

I thought LT was just an agent of God/TOAA, he doesn't actually personify such power, if he did, THOTI shouldn't have affected him. 😕

That's why I have always thought of Spectre and LT as equals.

Just as I think of THOTI and Michael as equals.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hmmm, since it was solely a Marvel Bio, I wouldn't take it to heart seeing as how the characters were created by Marvel and DC.

Nah, I have always considered LT and Spectre as equals.

There is really nothing to suggest otherwise IMO.

Well it did say LT had to consult with his "hooded spectral ally".

IMO this was Marvel's way of referring to Spectre without infringing on any copyright laws.

If that's true, then someone might think LT could have been holding both realities waiting to consult with Spectre....... But it does sound like rubbish.

Spectre guards DC
LT guards Marvel

Same with DC.

Hell Marvel at least retconned the Bro's.

DC just never wrote about them again. 😂

Not sure about that.

Michael = God's power personified

I thought LT was just an agent of God/TOAA, he doesn't actually personify such power, if he did, THOTI shouldn't have affected him. 😕

That's why I have always thought of Spectre and LT as equals.

Just as I think of THOTI and Michael as equals.

Galan, who wins. GEB or the Team. Nice avatar